http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net SW codex and they look like quite a good choice (and model) for an army, so how come I rarely ever see a list with land speeders in? Where'd all the Land Speeders go?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/264715/1101871.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/264715/1101871.page GMT
I prefer attack bikes though, being able to charge into combat has had some amazing results with attack bikes.

I don't run vehicle heavy, so I don't use speeders. They are pricier and larger than bikers as well, which kills it for me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/264715/1101890.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/264715/1101890.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/264715/1101978.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/264715/1101978.page GMT But, they are just so expensive, almost painful IMO.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/264715/1101985.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/264715/1101985.page GMT
For Space Wolves however, the Typhoon Land Speeder has gotten some competition from the Long Fang squad. These guys can deal more damage then the Typhoon (point for point), but don't have the mobility of the Typhoon. A lot of Space Wolves players who use Drop Pods use the Long Fangs as their long range support, simply because they can take a Drop Pod (which they won't use), so that all their filled Drop Pods will land the first turn.

If you are playing a mechanised Space Wolves army, then I would certainly suggest using the Land Speeder Typhoon, since it is simply a great long range support unit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/264715/1102033.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/264715/1102033.page GMT
I play Mech heavy, but even I prefer Attack Bikes. They get cover easier, are cheaper, can assault units to tie them up, and are more resistant to small arms fire.

Land Speaders are good, and their primar advantage is the ability to deep strike, but they are just too fragile in my opinion to take in massed quantities.

I have the habit of fielding both in a list. But that is just me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/264715/1102149.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/264715/1102149.page GMT
And even though the bikes can be great, depending on the terrain the land speeders have far superior mobility.

I tend to run typhoons sometimes and other times mm/hf ones (even if i rarely use vulkan).

Last game the hf/mm speeders really shone. Was a ruined city game board where the opponent (plague marine chaos) deployed his forces on two sides.
He was all meched up but the speeders were able to zip in/out and immobilize/destroy one sides transports so my army could focus on the other side without having to be afraid of the other sides guys.

Basically 2 of his plague marine squads never made it to the battle, and i won by killpoints.
Other examples are when my friend brings outflanking stealers, with 4+ save and 4+ cover save most of the time. You can easily just go and burn 1 squad a turn with the heavy flamers.

So yeah, use the speeders!
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But I have to admit I'm attracted by the bikes' ability to assault, better cover saves and 10 point cheaper cost. Probably using both is a good idea.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/264715/1104208.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/264715/1104208.page GMT