<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Chaos Marines Ideally"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Chaos Marines Ideally Tell me what you think.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141590.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141590.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141603.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141603.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141606.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141606.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141608.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141608.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141618.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141618.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally
I think hes just come from the eye and is a little confused as to where he is. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141625.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141625.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141627.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141627.page GMT Re:Chaos Marines Ideally http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141630.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141630.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally
Cheese Elemental wrote:Are we going to report this thread or should we just keep bumping up our post counts?
I reported this thread. Did you?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141701.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141701.page GMT Re:Chaos Marines Ideally IG can have more things to go around and just using on some troops? And the chaos player did lose ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141761.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141761.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141783.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141783.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally
If you want a "Anything you can do I can do better" you should play Eldar.

They have the potential to Out Shoot (Bright Lances/etc.) Out Maneuver (Wave Serpent w/ Vectored Engines) and Out-Melee (Banshees/Seer Councils) any other army.

What Chaos Marines and their loyalist cousins should offer are armies that can do it all. However, because they are generalists they will do worse than specialists (I.E. Banshees can beat Marines in CC, Dark Reapers Out-Shoot Marines).

MEQ's are jack of all trades, not the best of the best.

They trade specialty for versatility.

Banshees are useless in the shooting phase (even with the Triskele-thing) whereas Dark Reapers are near useless in Close Combat. Marines can do both reasonably.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141814.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141814.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally
Commander Endova wrote:


are you talking about the comment I made mass of amouts of troops against the hammer of the imperium? As the only thing closiest to make the chaos player rastion his points against a IG player is to either use a transporter or the normal troops that the chaos codex allows the player to have. so trying to match the IG squad for squad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141815.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141815.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally
I'm no grammar nazi, but damn, I cant understand what your talking about.

So what's it like in the eye of terror, cause thats where you have come from right?

Also you have 2 threads!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141821.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141821.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally
Cryonicleech wrote:Umm...

If you want a "Anything you can do I can do better" you should play Eldar.

They have the potential to Out Shoot (Bright Lances/etc.) Out Maneuver (Wave Serpent w/ Vectored Engines) and Out-Melee (Banshees/Seer Councils) any other army.

What Chaos Marines and their loyalist cousins should offer are armies that can do it all. However, because they are generalists they will do worse than specialists (I.E. Banshees can beat Marines in CC, Dark Reapers Out-Shoot Marines).

MEQ's are jack of all trades, not the best of the best.


Right of course but thats just a marine A strong KB(KBs are specialists) squad would mange against the bashees(not including the upgrades that are added, like Doom) and dark reapers are heavy right? if thats the case a squad of oblirators should do the trick. or havocs
KB-Khrone Bereskers]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141825.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141825.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally
Somewhat true about the havocs, but not everything is eye to eye. Eldar don't have Land Raiders, for example.

Basically, it is impossible to out-perform every other army in every phase as Marines, but what Marines can do is perform in every phase (whereas certian builds like Lash Prince+ Oblits work best in shooting phase, whereas Nob Bikers work best in the Assault Phase)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141833.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141833.page GMT Re:Chaos Marines Ideally KBs and other squads in the same game like noise marines. If not Ill have to look it up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141848.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141848.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally
But sometimes, people want to follow a specific God, to fit the fluff or what not.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141852.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141852.page GMT Re:Chaos Marines Ideally ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141861.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141861.page GMT Re:Chaos Marines Ideally http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141989.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141989.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1141997.page GMT Re:Chaos Marines Ideally
Seems you are either trying to say that it is wise to go undivided and then use a bit of everything instead of choosing one god and sticking to it, or that it is wise to go with only basic CSM "to match the guardsmen man for man"

You do seem to hint at something remotely valuable though - use transports if you want to win (kinda duh, but not stupid at least )

Try to calm down your excitement a bit before your next post, maybe it will be understandable then ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1142343.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1142343.page GMT Re:Chaos Marines Ideally http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1142363.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1142363.page GMT Re:Chaos Marines Ideally
Illumini wrote:I hope you are very young, or else there is something very wrong with the US education system. It is pretty much impossible to follow what you are trying to say

Seems you are either trying to say that it is wise to go undivided and then use a bit of everything instead of choosing one god and sticking to it, or that it is wise to go with only basic CSM "to match the guardsmen man for man"

You do seem to hint at something remotely valuable though - use transports if you want to win (kinda duh, but not stupid at least )

Try to calm down your excitement a bit before your next post, maybe it will be understandable then


Im not going to get into what you just said, just because thats off topic. If you have something to say keep it to yourself please because that message could have been fine if it was a private message.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1142797.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1142797.page GMT Re:Chaos Marines Ideally
Shelegelah wrote:God this is awesome. I'm going to read every single thread this fellow ever posts from now on.


I second that motion!

Beastajg wrote:
Illumini wrote:I hope you are very young, or else there is something very wrong with the US education system. It is pretty much impossible to follow what you are trying to say

Seems you are either trying to say that it is wise to go undivided and then use a bit of everything instead of choosing one god and sticking to it, or that it is wise to go with only basic CSM "to match the guardsmen man for man"

You do seem to hint at something remotely valuable though - use transports if you want to win (kinda duh, but not stupid at least )

Try to calm down your excitement a bit before your next post, maybe it will be understandable then


Im not going to get into what you just said, just because thats off topic. If you have something to say keep it to yourself please because that message could have been fine if it was a private message.


how is it off topic? we hardly know what the topic even is!
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Edit: Everyone knows the ideal chaos army is Lash+Plauge Marines+Oblits. Does it make sense? no, can it win against pretty much everyone? Yes.

Edit2: or if you want template massacres, Lash princes, Noise marines with doom sirens, Vindicators.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1142953.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1142953.page GMT Re:Chaos Marines Ideally http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1143011.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1143011.page GMT Re:Chaos Marines Ideally
children of filth wrote:how is it off topic? we hardly know what the topic even is!

I just found my new sig!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1143110.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1143110.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally An ideal CSM army set up as simple as it can be?

1-2 HQ
3 Troop choices in Rhinos
Hvy support options to support them.

I think that's as simple and descriptive of most compeititve lists as one can get.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1143154.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1143154.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally
its kinda hard and anoyin ta reed when ya tipe leik tis.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1143178.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1143178.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally
Sanctjud wrote:Well...um...yea.
An ideal CSM army set up as simple as it can be?

1-2 HQ
3 Troop choices in Rhinos
Hvy support options to support them.

I think that's as simple and descriptive of most compeititve lists as one can get.


Ideal CSM army also depends on the point value that you are using also.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1143279.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1143279.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally I personally never play at under 1500, which my previous post would be ok with.

I feel anything up is a bit wonky.
Anything under 750/500 should really be combat patrol at that point.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1143525.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1143525.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally

CSM unit power looks like this (best to worst):

HQ (always take wings)
DP
Lash Sorc
Lord
Sorc

Elites:
Termicide
Chosen
Other term builds
Possessed
Dreads

Troops
CSM/PM/Zerk
NM
1Ksons

Fast Attack:
Never take fast attack.

Heavy Support:
Oblits
Defilers
Land raiders
Vindicators
Combi Pred
Dakka Pred
Bacon Sandwich
Dead Bird
Tri Las Pred]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1143752.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1143752.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally Thx to GW.
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A dread might screw up and fire frenzy when you need it to least. But in a mechanized army, they're another vehicle the enemy has to deal with. With the advent of run, they can get down the field fairly quickly when they're not shooting birds, and if the enemy ignores them figuring they're "not much of a threat", it'll cost them.

I just wish they still had possession, or even better parasitic possession. A close combat dread that gets immobilized is just...gone. Useless entirely.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1143855.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1143855.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally
If you give the possessed a role first and then look at the daemon kin table, instead of vice verso, they are a highly functional unit. (ie, if you task them with counter charge.
Their only problem is being expensive.

The dread on the other-hand can not be relied on a particular role as they can ping pong in what they do.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1143933.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1143933.page GMT Re:Chaos Marines Ideally
MorbidlyObeseMonkey wrote:
children of filth wrote:how is it off topic? we hardly know what the topic even is!

I just found my new sig!


I'm honored. Wait, no I'm not.




anyway, I agree with the lash/oblit/plague idea, it is the ideal chaos list currently, however cheesy it may be. But that doesn't mean I'm ever going to use it. I prefer to write complex back stories for my armies and have the lists match them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1144067.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1144067.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally
(I've not played CSM yet, admittedly -- only just started collecting that army.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1144182.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1144182.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally
Chaos Dreads seem to be gaining in popularity, at least on the boards and lists I've seen floating about. They're cheap and nasty, if unreliable. I'm actually more nervous about "Immobilized" damage rolls than I am with them going nuts on me, but I'll let you know how it goes as soon as I have a couple of games under my belt with them.

Also not sure about not taking fast attack troops. Iron may be exactly right - they are expensive buggers. Having troops that can haul ass has to have some sort of use though, if only for particular missions/scenarios.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1144484.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267265/1144484.page GMT Chaos Marines Ideally
Here's your off-topic image.

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