<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Black Templars vs Tyranids 500pts spare"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Black Templars vs Tyranids 500pts spare
HQ
Marshal 80 pts lightning claw 25 storm bolter 5 Admantine mantle 35 artificer 20 total 165
Reclusiarch 95 jump pack 20 total 115
Emperor's champion 90 Vows 50 total 140

Elites
Dreadnought 105 searchlight 5 smoke launcher 5 total 115

Troops
Crusader squad 160, missile 10, flamer 6, frag 10, total 186
Crusader squad 160, missile 10, plasma gun 6, frag 10, total 186

Fast attack
Assault 5man 110, power weapon 5, storm shield 3, plasma pistol 10, total 128

Heavy Support
Vindicator 125 armour 5 dozer 5 storm bolter 10 total 135
Vindicator 125 armour 5 dozer 5 storm bolter 10 total 135

i need some suggestions of units that i could use to fill the other 500 points.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1143734.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1143734.page GMT Black Templars vs Tyranids 500pts spare http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1143756.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1143756.page GMT Black Templars vs Tyranids 500pts spare http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1143764.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1143764.page GMT Black Templars vs Tyranids 500pts spare LRC's. Tyranids hate AV 14.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1143839.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1143839.page GMT Re:Black Templars vs Tyranids 500pts spare http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1143844.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1143844.page GMT Black Templars vs Tyranids 500pts spare
you could also try terminators with two assault cannons. those rending rolls can always come in handy at a distance. or if you feel a little suicidal like i do you can run two flamers and deep strike them in and light them up. always fun but be prepared to lose the squad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1146049.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1146049.page GMT Black Templars vs Tyranids 500pts spare ap like frag missiles


Automatically Appended Next Post:
If you are against nids use template weapons with a desent ap like frag missiles


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Plasma cannon are good 2]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1146126.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1146126.page GMT Re:Black Templars vs Tyranids 500pts spare
I also got a bit of info on the enemy. the guy i'm versing loves carnifexes ansd spends a ton of points on them, but he gets his gaunts and stuff really cheap.

Also, are Predators good against nids?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1146195.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1146195.page GMT Black Templars vs Tyranids 500pts spare http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1146224.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1146224.page GMT Re:Black Templars vs Tyranids 500pts spare TMCs are best handled with plasmaguns for mobility and number of shots or lascannons at range. plasmacannons are not worth it against nids imo, best target you'll have will be a tyrant with guard which can be shot by MLs and PGs as well and firing s7 ap2 on gaunts is just a waste (and expensive with the BT dex)
Predators are valuable against nids, AC/HB to get rid of warriors or 4+ stealers or 3 lascan for MC hunting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1147250.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1147250.page GMT Re:Black Templars vs Tyranids 500pts spare CC, take better advantage of that.

Here are my suggestions:

• Replace the heavy weapons in your squads with a PF. Yes it only gets 2 attacks on the charge, but you'll get more milage out of it since your squads should be better equipped to slug in out on CC.

• If you must field shooty squads, field them as 5 man squads. It will allow you more heavy weapons coverage on the table.

• Any assault crusader orientated squads should have a PF. Power weapons are useless vs. MCs. Vs. the gaunt hordes, weight of attacks is more important so everyone else should have BP/CCWs. Consider adding some Neophytes to act as meatshields/ cheaper means of allowing you to throw more attacks.

• Any assault orientated crusader squad should ideally be over 12 models. Get LRCs if you can.

• You need to pick a role for your assault marines. In this case, you know your opponent ahead of time, so their role will be more crowd control/ counter assault. I'd field at least an 8 man squad and have 2 flamers in it. Any other upgrades is your choice. I'd definitely stay away from plasma pistols though. Not worth the points. Stormshields are the best upgrade besides meltabombs. 25% of your squad should have Stormshields if you decide to take them.

• I'd give your Marshal 2 LC's and termie honors instead of the storm bolter. Drop the Mantle. Implant attack nids trump your mantle. Better to make your Marshal a killing guy rather than a tough guy. If you have the points take the Halo and Artificer...but only if you have the points.

• If you have points make your Dread a Venerable, give it a Heavy Flamer, and extra armor. You may consider making it a shooting platform as well. AC/ ML is the best load out vs. bugs IMHO.

• Assault terminators would be a huge boost to your list.

Just my .02 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1149727.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1149727.page GMT Black Templars vs Tyranids 500pts spare MC's that don't have the reinforced chitin or whatever that biomorph is. Do Black Templars get counter-attack in any way? That would seem useful on your all melee squads that are going to be taking on hordes of gaunts.

Well that's my random (hopefully worthy) input.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1149887.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1149887.page GMT Re:Black Templars vs Tyranids 500pts spare CC weapons was because i'm using marines from my old Raven guard army which I have circumstantially disbanded. I was goung to get a battleforce and some upgrade sprues to reprimand the flaw of lack of CC.

I have found out that my friends have made the game apocalyptic, so i'll be versing Orks and Eldar as well. I will be on a team with some codex marines and some IG.

Also, would bikes with power axes be of any use?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1152056.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1152056.page GMT Black Templars vs Tyranids 500pts spare


Koski wrote:Is the Land Raider Redeemer ever useful in any list? If there was a time to field one I would say this is it isnt it? AP3 template weapons. That thing would wound MC's that don't have the reinforced chitin or whatever that biomorph is. Do Black Templars get counter-attack in any way? That would seem useful on your all melee squads that are going to be taking on hordes of gaunts.

Well that's my random (hopefully worthy) input.



Automatically Appended Next Post:
The main reason I don't have enough CC weapons was because i'm using marines from my old Raven guard army which I have circumstantially disbanded. I was goung to get a battleforce and some upgrade sprues to reprimand the flaw of lack of CC.


That's good. Trade, Buy, Scrape for any BP/ CCWs arms you can get.

I have found out that my friends have made the game apocalyptic, so i'll be versing Orks and Eldar as well. I will be on a team with some codex marines and some IG.


Cool. Look into some formations then. Formations will help you greatly.

Also, would bikes with power axes be of any use?


Bikes have their uses, but aren't really an ideal choice. If you are playing an APOC game, you might as well put them in your list. However, you'd be better served with putting meltaguns in that squad. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1152405.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1152405.page GMT Re:Black Templars vs Tyranids 500pts spare

Cool. Look into some formations then. Formations will help you greatly.


Do you know of any? The one that I used to love is the vindicator linebreaker squadron, bit i'm not sure if it's around anymore because i can't find the datasheet.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also, considering it's APOC, I can have IG tanks can't I?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1153546.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1153546.page GMT Black Templars vs Tyranids 500pts spare str -1 I vow against nids... because against gaunts, it doubles your chances of wounding them. against stealers, its a wash... against fexes/tyrants, it again doubles your odds of wounding them.

your base I4... most things that nids have that are good in CC are better I anyway, so that doesn't matter... as for re-roll to hit, it acutally gives your chaplain a purpose... i'd suggest dropping the marshal for a second chappy in fact.

I'd also throw in a venerable dread with an assault cannon. good against everything. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1153564.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1153564.page GMT Re:Black Templars vs Tyranids 500pts spare


Automatically Appended Next Post:
How much good are Venerable dreads?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1153977.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/267399/1153977.page GMT