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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted!"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! CSM force and i have gotten kinda bored with it and i was thinking of starting a Chaos Deamons army. Let me know what you think of the list!

HQ:
MOT herald on Chariot With Master of sorcery, We are Legion, and BOT 110

MOT herald on Chariot With Master of Sorcery and Soul Devourer 85

Elites:
2x5 Fiends 150 Each
3 flamers 150

Troops:
2x10 Plague Bearers with Noxious Touch, Icon, and Insturment 190 each

10 Bloodletters 160

Heavy Support:
DP with MOK, Flight, Iron Hide 185
DP with MON, Iron Hide, Breath of Chaos 170

total: 1495

Advice? i was thinking of upping the Troops to 3x7 or 4x5 PB's and giving two of them icons still. Ideas?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1156550.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1156550.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! PBs to beef up the prince. You'll also be wanting one icon for each wave, two is enough.

G]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1157342.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1157342.page GMT Re:New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! WYSIWYG and i onyl havee one winged prince, one is Bel'Akor and the other is the CSM deamon prince... I thought of noxious touch but i dont find thee to be very affective esp because of how pricy a DP can be. In my CSM force i rely heavily on troops and i dont often loose so why loose plague bearers? those are the hold ground tough squads that i need! maybe leave a few upgrades out? I'm also paraoid of squads with an icon dying easy from enemy fire. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1157658.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1157658.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! i would swap second herald for herlad of Slaanesh or Khorne on chariot.
too many plaguebearers without epidimius makes you weak.
i use 2 squads of 5 with icons and they rarely die.(not because they hard to kill, it because my enemy normally got bigger problems.)and if they do i normally do fine without the icons.
get ur fiend squads to 6 with unholy might.
A nice DP build i like is : IH, MoS, Aura of acquiescence
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G ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1157949.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1157949.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1157977.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1157977.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! DP. Also, your 3 flamers are only 105, not 150, but I think you used 105 in your math for the list. I also like the bigger troop squads as opposed to 4x5, but haven't tried them the other way, so if you do, I'd like to hear how it worked. For me, a bigger squad works so that I can spread them out and drop bloodletters in behind them. Bloodletters then get 4+ cover instead of 5+ and are there to countercharge after plaguebearers absorb the brunt of it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1158010.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1158010.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted!
Idk for some reason or another I think if I fought my csm army with this list I would loose, maybe it is a good idea to take apedimus as the second herald and add a greater deamon for 2k lists? Maybe fateweave or an unclean one?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1158320.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1158320.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! I think the Keeper of Secrets is very good as is Skulltaker on Chariot for solid HQs.
You seem anti tank light save the Princes so maybe take Screamers and/or drop a prince for a Soul Grinder with the S7 AP3 one. Its less points than a prince and well worth the points.
Last point - Shooty units are useful as you are deep striking so a couple 5 man horror units are quite good with S4 AP5 3 shots and they can hold objectives too, but never let them get into combat.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1158361.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1158361.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! GS to mutate the hull and body a little bit, you think that would be legal? oh and flamers can only be in squads of 1 to 3]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1158719.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1158719.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! KoS is a better HQ choice than Skulltaker if you are solely comparing the two against each other.

To me Bloodletters are a better troop choice than Plague Bearers if you are willing to put the points into large squads. Five Plague Bearers camped out on an objective gone to ground in cover is hard to beat pointwise for holding an objective. It really depends on what you want to do with your army. You can play aggressive or conservative with a large squad of Bloodletters while Plague Bearers are a conservative choice unless you take the Tallyman.

G]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1159710.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1159710.page GMT Re:New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! CSM, PM's runign to objectives and tying up combats while my zerkers basically F gak up....

I want to playa healthy mix of both but I also am a college student with not enough $$ to have a squad of crushers on hand (as cool as they look) and i'm converting most of my army but i need a goood second hq]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1159784.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1159784.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1162662.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1162662.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1323975.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1323975.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted!
You have 20 models? So split them into 4 groups with 5 each.

Need to remind that they are different with plaguemarines. They have no expensive weapon like fists or plasmaguns, so lost the whole squad is not that painful. More small squads would hold objectives better.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324018.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324018.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324020.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324020.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted!
Bearers(and herald, or any other tough guys) tied enemy into combat. Then fiends(and bloodletters) join the combat and crush your enemy, in the next turn.

The order of throwing units in combat need to be noticed.

And KP missions? Your DPs and letters are transprently easier KPs and more dangerous targets, why your enemies foucus on plaguebearers? If so, you win.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324045.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324045.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324056.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324056.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324063.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324063.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! DP?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324078.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324078.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted!

IronfrontAlex wrote:
HQ:
MOT herald on Chariot With Master of sorcery, We are Legion, and BOT 110

MOT herald on Chariot With Master of Sorcery and Soul Devourer 85

Elites:
2x5 Fiends 150 Each
3 flamers 150

Troops:
2x10 Plague Bearers with Noxious Touch, Icon, and Insturment 190 each

10 Bloodletters 160

Heavy Support:
DP with MOK, Flight, Iron Hide 185
DP with MON, Iron Hide, Breath of Chaos 170

total: 1495

Advice? i was thinking of upping the Troops to 3x7 or 4x5 PB's and giving two of them icons still. Ideas?

Ok heres ideas;

Split the Plaguebearers into 4 units of 5. Give 1 guy in 2 units (primary wave, secondary wave) an icon. Letters are great, but you need a squad of like... 15 or so to survive shooting. Your points on flamers is off, its 35 pts a model (so 105 for 3). Fiends are ok, give one Unholy Might tho. Soul devourer seems wasted on the herald, if he gets into CC hes screwed. Period. Low T, low WS, very few attacks, and low S all add for a bad melee unit. Give him something ranged, like BOT for popping tanks. The Nurgle DP NEEDS either Unholy Might or Noxious Touch. Touch for anti-infantry, which you don't seem to lack, or might to pop rhinos and things. Breath is OK on him, but seeing as most people charge into him and I never get to shoot with em I quit running it lol. Khorne DP's, quite franky, suck. They attack a lot, but they die easily compared to other princes and don't have bad ass stuff (like more invun, or T, or initiative). I suggest making him a Slaneesh DP if your going for WYSIWYG, cuz bel sort of could be one lol. Give em wings, unholy might, aura, and pavane if you have the points!

Hope this helps and GL!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324093.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324111.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324111.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! 2D6 penetration, no many shooting times...

But he is a good melee unit, under many situations.

Yes, MELEE unit. Althrough he can hardly win any combat.

He has W5 and 4+isv. Which means the enemy need about to wound him 10 times to beat down him. Equal to about 15~20 attacks(considered no-retreat wounds).

What will happen, if the enemy unit has no 15 attacks?

The herald is a jetbike. He can pick a target and charge it from a long distance away. See whether there is a solo guy in your enemie's list. Like a fzorgle DP, a dread, a flyrant...etc.

Tie the expensive guy with your herald.Then it will be kicked out from the whole game——by a (65~100)pts costed unit.

Unless your enemy put in another unit into the combat to pull his expensive guy back to the game. But your "real" melee units(like fiends) would also do something, wouldn't they?
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324156.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324156.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted!

So what im getting is that my 110 point herald seems to be a good tactical choice, but i dont have the points to add another decent HQ, any other nice herals builds? doesn't need to be MOT, maybe a MON? MOK?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324279.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324279.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted!
I think you should definitely run fateweaver. he's really...really...really... strong.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324290.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1324290.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1325185.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1325185.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted!
You don't have to model wings to give a DP flight; it says so specifically in the description. However, flight is obviously very expensive. I use it for the explicit purpose of having the DP take down tanks in CC, and I give him unholy might... otherwise, to me, it's not worth the points. You could, instead, have a DP without wings, with MoT, and with Bolt... he'd be cheaper, but less versatile.

I think you're a little low on anti-tank, which is not uncommon in daemon lists.

That said, I assume you've probably used some version of this army since you posted this. I'm curious; how did it go?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1325317.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1325317.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! dp builds are closest to my DP's in my chaos army, tho I usually put out 2 winged warptime nurgle princes, they shred heavy infantry and tanks alike. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1325396.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1325396.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted!

GloryToThe16th wrote:Iron I dont play demons very often but my opinion at 60 points a piece flight just too much for a unit that deepstrikes anyway

I guarantee that there will be ATLEAST 2 times during a game that you regret not having wings on your daemon princes. They can't assault when you deepstrike anyhow. Placing them safely and getting into combat a.s.a.p. is their primary job. If you sacrafice the ability to do that job to its highest potential then I wouldn't even bother fielding them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1327247.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1327247.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1327249.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1327249.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! DP models for if everyone thinks the unit is junk?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1328354.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1328354.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted!
It also gives him a re-roll on failed wound rolls against weaker enemies. I know I have those moments when I just need 2's to wound and I drop a bunch of 1's.

With all the giant tyranid critters running around lately, I'd take noxious touch over unholy might.

Cloud of flies belongs on every Nurgle DP. It lets you take advantage of your high initiative when you charge enemies in cover, and it takes those bonus charge attacks away from anyone that wants to charge you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1338681.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1338681.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1338755.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1338755.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted!
HQ:
MOT herald on Chariot With Master of sorcery, We are Legion, and BOT 110

MOT herald on Chariot With Master of sorcery, We are Legion, and BOT 110

MOK herald with Juggernaught, fury, Blessing of the blood god 120

Elites:
2x5 Fiends, 1 unholy might 160 Each
3 flamers 105
5 bloodcrushers 1 insturment 1 fury of K 215
Troops:
4x5 Plague Bearers with Noxious Touch, Icon 110 each

10 Bloodletters 160

Heavy Support:
DP with MOT, Bolt of T, Master of Sorc, D gaze 170
DP with MON, Iron Hide, flight, Cloud of flies, noxious touch, unholy might 205
soul grinder 135

2000!
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1381098.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1381098.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted!
Master of Sorc isn't useful on the Tz DP, since he already gets to shoot 2 weapons as a MC.

I've been rethinking legion on my chariots recently. It's nice when it comes into play, but often it's not terribly useful. Soul devourer instead may be the way to go; if the worst happens and he gets stuck in CC (or if he manages to tarpit something more valuable), he could actually have a chance of surviving and maybe even winning via ID...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1382569.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1382569.page GMT Re:New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! 2 groups of fiends are okay but try to boost your troops choice ur going to need them because of the way that daemons arrive on the battlefield and yes you will need at least one chaos icon in each squad and you hav too many elites and 3 heralds in a 2000 point game not a very good idea use these points to bulk out troop choices cause if they die ur in a load of trouble

not really much else i can say hope this helps!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1382579.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1382579.page GMT Re:New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted! MC for hq and have never regretted it. I have had great luck with daemon zilla lists eather 3 nurgle DPs with a cheep GUO with COF. and Epidemus or I go with the bloodthrister+ fateweaver combo that is very hard to deal with. I find that the key to winning with daemons is with the exeption of screamers and flamers and bloodcrushers .every thing has to be big big squad sizes big monsters. with my troops unless I am runing epidemus with a small game 1500 or less I run my troops in squads over 12-16. That makes keeping icons safe easyer and makes my lists have few killpoints as well. Now I have no experence with blue scribes or the mask or anything slanash I just stay away from it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1382792.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1382792.page GMT New Deamon Player! 1500 point advice wanted!

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Plus 110 points for a 5 wound jetbike model with some low AP shooting attacks? plus you can possibly take 4 heralds! 333 points for fateweaver and 250 for a thirster is well over 500 points for 2 units and you all tell me im sinking my points with heralds?!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1382851.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/268121/1382851.page GMT