Cheese Elemental wrote:Chaos Bikers generally aren't worth it. If you want fast units, Raptors or squads in Rhinos are much better choices.

Horst wrote:well yea, there are more effective units... but its not like this would be a bad choice. it should be able to still be effective.

Sanctjud wrote:\\
I feel what you want is to cause 3 ish wounds and psycher battle the squad with the Leadership reducing thing...easiest way to keep the away and doesn't require too much resources.

Sanctjud wrote:@Cambak:
You did not read that line you quoted properly.

I had said: cause 3ish wounds and (then) pycher battle squad the bikers with 'Reduce Resolve' I think...

Then they are leadership 2 and have to roll snake eyes to not runaway.

They fallback 3D6...then fly a Valk/Vendetta to escort them off the board.
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Hot shot lasguns: what Kill dem stunties said.
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Yea... so are Eradicators Ap4?
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Executioner: they are biker bases... so can abuse their lengths and be Really hard to get more than 2 guys under a template, then they should be turbo boosting for 3+ covers.

In addition there are better targets like Plague marines popped out of their rides.

Oh... And you are still getting AP wrong. The exectioner maincannon are Ap2 like the plasma cannons (if I recall, while the Eradicator is AP4).

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Medusa has a minimum range, and again, the bikers should be spread out well enough and boosting.
In addition, they will have better targets. Bastion Breachers are really overdoing it vs. bikers.

Deathstrike: the bikers will be there at turn 2. So that’s a gamble relying on that and you are right that there are better targets…and I don’t recall too many people using the Deathstrike.

Devildog Meltacannon… ugh… again, spread out and boosting, if not boosting then spread out. Why does it not provide cover saves? What do you mean there? Just because it’s a blast weapon doesn’t mean it ignores cover… nor is it an indirect fire weapon…unless it has special rules to it, there is no need to mention that it “does not provide cover saves.”

True, there are ‘better’ targets.. and I’ve said it as well. But there is a threat to a T5/6 mass unit that is bearing down on you turn 2, with special weapons and are essentially combat units.
Meching up is good and all, but mutli-charges are a reality with a biker unit, so it’s not good to bunch up too tightly. Which can only play into a Chaos players hand if you spread out.

On the other hand, other than early pressure, the bikers are not points efficient. It’s not to say they can’t do their job, but they are a pretty penny and takes something away from the rest of the list.

I still think IoCG is a better investment though. T6 is nice and fun, but gimmicky as the weapons to kill them easily generally don’t care between T5 and 6, though the small/medium arms care a bit.