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				<description><![CDATA[ Does anyonw have a good list that can be competitive andn still be fun for empire???<br /> <br /> regards  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 6 Dec 2009 08:58:47]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The most competitive list I can think of is an army with an Arch Lector on a war altar and double stank backed up by infantry. With a fair amount of shooting to support it. People might call cheese but this is probarly the only list where you even have a chance to beat daemons.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:48:16]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The mentioned list above is the only good reason I can think of why Empire is only 2100 pts in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(472);'>ETC</span>.<br /> Steam tank spam. Three words, no less, no more.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 6 Dec 2009 15:25:30]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ nyyman]]></author>
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				<title>Re:help with a competitive Empire army</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I think you first need to describe what you mean with 'competitive'.<br /> <br /> Competitive in a friendly gaming group?<br /> Competitive in a competitive gaming group?<br /> Competitive in a comped tourney?<br /> Competitive in a no holds barred tourney?<br /> <br /> The stated list is the hardest thing the Empire can come up with. It's also totally fun to play against for a lot of armies. Then again, other opponents may also use tricked out Daemons, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(138);'>VC</span>, LM or other nasty list in your gaming environment, it all depends on where you're coming from.<br /> <br /> So, where are you coming from? <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:06:13]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ BAWTRM]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Very competitive Empire list, which doesn't use the double steam tank spam (which will get you a bad comp score no matter how nice you are):<br /> <br /> Archlector on Waralter with Speculum & +1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>Str</span> Always strike first sword<br /> Wizard with Rod of Power<br /> Wizard with Ring of Volans & Dispel Scroll<br /> Captain on Pegasus with Casket<br /> 2 Cannons<br /> 5 Outriders<br /> Steam Tank<br /> Flagellants<br /> Greatswords<br /> <br /> Fill in the rest with some handgunner units and swordsmen blocks.  ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:41:54]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Mattbranb]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The Australian player at <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(472);'>ETC</span> (and he's the top player in Oz this year) took the following list specifically to nerf 'big guy/monster spam/steam tank spam' at <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(472);'>ETC</span>. And he won every game.<br /> <br /> 1 Arch Lector of Sigmar, General; War Altar, Armour<br /> 1 Warrior Priest, Barding; Heavy Armour; Shield, Warhorse<br /> 1 Battle Wizard, Level 2 Upgrade, Warhorse<br /> 1 Battle Wizard, Barding; Level 2 Upgrade, Warhorse<br /> 10 Crossbowmen, Detachment of 5 Archers<br /> 10 Crossbowmen<br /> 10 Swordsmen, Detachment of 5 Archers<br /> 5 Knightly Orders, Musician,<br /> 5 Knightly Orders, Musician, Standard Bearer,<br /> 15 Flagellant Warband, Prophet of Doom<br /> 17 Flagellant Warband, Prophet of Doom<br /> 5 Pistoliers, Musician, Outrider, Repeater Pistol<br /> 5 Pistoliers, Musician, Outrider, Repeater Pistol<br /> 1 Great Cannon<br /> 1 Great Cannon<br /> 1 Helblaster Volley Gun<br /> <br /> The cannons and hellblaster ensure cross fields of fire and anyone wants to poke its head out, it gets it blown off.<br /> <br /> The WALTER and Knights hit hard, and the flagellants tarpit to tie enemy up for countercharges.<br /> <br /> The crossbowmen allow you to outshoot (thanks to range) hanguns, bows and shortbows.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:45:48]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Waaagh_Gonads]]></author>
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				<title>Re:help with a competitive Empire army</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>BAWTRM wrote:</cite>Daemons, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(138);'>VC</span>, LM or other nasty list in your gaming environment, </div></blockquote><br /> No personal issues, but I can by no means understand how you can say that Lizardmen are even near the competitive level of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(138);'>VC</span> or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(538);'>DoC</span> (not mentioning <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(27);'>DE</span> was weird also). Sure, we got a nice new Armybook and we got our Stegadon spam. But I stand behind the idea that even it's not THAT competitive.<br /> As already said, no personal issues.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:56:32]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ nyyman]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I agree - lizards are competitive with their great leadership and Stegadons, but not having their own lore on the slann was a negative point, as well as low initiative and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>WS</span> on every unit choice with the exception of Temple Guard (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>WS</span> 4 wow).  It may change some when 8th edition comes out and hopefully they redo the lores of magic, but I would have liked to have seen a Slann lore that came with very high casting costs but spectacular results.<br /> <br /> As far as the Empire lists, that Australian player has a great list.  Great blend of magic, shooting and unbreakable units, which makes up for the averageness of empire combat.  Very, very annoying list to play against, but it works.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:49:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Mattbranb]]></author>
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				<title>Re:help with a competitive Empire army</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>nyyman wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>BAWTRM wrote:</cite>Daemons, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(138);'>VC</span>, LM or other nasty list in your gaming environment, </div></blockquote><br /> No personal issues, but I can by no means understand how you can say that Lizardmen are even near the competitive level of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(138);'>VC</span> or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(538);'>DoC</span> (not mentioning <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(27);'>DE</span> was weird also). Sure, we got a nice new Armybook and we got our Stegadon spam. But I stand behind the idea that even it's not THAT competitive.<br /> As already said, no personal issues.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Simply, limited time to make write a post, I mostly post from work. <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(27);'>DE</span> should clearly be on the list and I did include the LM for Stegadon spam, just like that the Empire is basically regarded as a low power list unless you start throwing in the Waltar and/or the Stank(s).<br /> <br /> It's the possibility for extremes that make a list broken. Some are just more broken than others. <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:41:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ BAWTRM]]></author>
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