BeRzErKeR wrote:I agree about the Mob Rule, and your modification of the statline makes sense, but I don't like the idea of changing FUrious Charge, for the simple reason that it makes the game a little more complex. In addition, your justification for the statline change is based on fluff; what's the fluff justification for Orks getting a WS bonus, of all things, when they charge?

Grey Templar wrote:Boyz are fine as is IMO

Furious charge represents having momentum(str bonus) and higher speed(inititive bonus) behind your assault, its fine. besides it is a universal special rule so you can't really do anything without changing everything that has that rule as well

more hits on the charge already happen. thats the little rule that says you gain +1 attack when you charge. you arn't more skilled, but have a higher chance of hitting by way of swinging more often.

Orks are just tougher then da Umies, for once dat wittle fing called do Upwifting Prima is right in sumfing(figurativly speaking orks are the same strength as humans) only Nobs and Bosses are stronger.

Eldar Own wrote:I think it would be a good change. Instead of furious charge how about something like 'charge of muscle' that makes them reduce armour by 1 for the first turn or +2 Initiative?

LeperMessiah wrote: They could also just make the "Waaaaagh" better by increasing initiative or something to do the same thing, but make it more tactical in its use (one per game, make the most of it).

LeperMessiah wrote:Statlines need to work in concert. If you raised the Ork strength to 4, he would of course have to lose Furious Charge as a result or he would be overpowered. But if you consider the ork fighting style, a brawling, brutal style of oversized choppas, it's based on sheer strength, not skill. Thus, S4, WS3 makes much more sense, especially in light of the fluff about basic ork boy strength and how they get stronger, larger when in conflict. Also, WS3 represents a basic, trained soldier and orks get this just through natural talent. It's not as though they run through bootcamps unless the fluff says so, like Stormboyz. Given they already have significant disadvantages in Initiative (almost always striking last) and armor (virtually no save) and no armor save modifiers/eliminators other than power klaws, S4 makes more sense. You should not want to get into a prolonged battle with orks, but the RAW basically mean that if you survive the initial wave, you increase your chances of winning.

I completely agree with giving the boyz strength 4 and removing furious charge.

Kej wrote:Seriously, do the math and then think of how it will reflect the overall game versus the armies that already trounce us in CC. It will only exacerbate the issues against those armies and, in doing so, only make the Orks even harder to do anything with on the table top.

game that has tried to keep statlines static over 5 generations of rules.

FlingitNow wrote:They did for 3rd Ed. They don't need to now and I can't see why they would. The Ork statline is good and represents the orks very well and makes them function on the battle field as they should.