daedalus wrote:I played my first game yesterday with the new nids. I never played with the last codex, though I had it and I spent a good amount of time meditating over it.

My thoughts in response to what you wrote:

Tyrant - Amazing! I gave him the heavy version of the barbed strangler and bonesword/lash whip. He and his two remaining tyrant guard annihilated a full 10 man squad of CSM without taking a wound from them. Paroxysm is an amazing ability. The tyrant went gone on further to halfway take out a DP before the next squad finally finished him off (he did have two wounds on him already from lascannon fire.)

Zoanthrope - I botched my first three shots with these guys, but then they went on to wipe out a defiler.

Termagaunts - Kept them in cover for the most part. They caused several saves but did not kill anything. Tied up several units in the shooting phase, which made them more than worth the points.

Hormagaunts - 26 of them getting shot constantly walking across the board from the edge (dawn of war) still managed to wipe out 7/10 CSM hiding in cover.

Warriors - I made mine shooty and was somewhat disappointed with them. I may need to rethink that.

Genestealers - Another awesome unit, but if you don't keep them protected, they'll roll over on you.

Something I'd throw out there: Venomthropes. One of the reasons why I kept my hormagaunts alive in-spite of being constantly fired into was that I had a mobile 5+ cover save bubble from that guy. I kept him at the edge of the bolter fire as much as possible and my opponent had to choose between hitting the guy who was making the cover, or hitting the guys who were going to wipe him out.

Some thoughts: I miss flesh hooks. I feel like what gets them doesn't really need them (carifex? REALLY?) but at the same time stuff like Genestealers really need them, especially with how much assaulting into cover it feels like I'm doing. Also, maybe I was just having bad luck, but it seems like the shooty aspect doesn't really work too well. I imagine I'll keep it around just to do additional pain to GEQ armies, but I don't feel like the additional guns brought much to the table against MEQ (and I'm used to that disappointment, I play IG after all).

ED209 wrote:

Now the method to deal with enemy in cover is lashwhip or pinning weapon, not so easy though.

The warriors' shooty weapons are most suck, they are not good shooty unit, better use as a counter charge unit.

Regwon wrote:

Really? A 3 shot BS3(or 4 with a prime) S5 AP5 gun for 5pts seems quite good to me. You're bascically having a unit full of moving heavy bolters, which isnt anything to sniff at.

Would it be worth taking a venomthrope brood to stick in the middle of a gant/tervion blob? 5+ cover and FNP isnt easy to shift for most armies, especially when 60+ models have it. Defensive grenades and dangerous terrain tests also makes them harder to deal with in combat. Behind a gant wall vthropes would get a 4+ cover and you could also put a tyranid prime with them to absorb S8-9 shots that would otherwise insta-death them.

ED209 wrote:
What can Heavybolter in a Tyranids army do for you? kill vehicles ? no, Kill infantry? yes, but you wont do much against MEQ or other hard stuff,only some orks or GEQ, the question is that whether you really need spend 35pts a model just for 3 BS3 S5 AP5 at 18" ? what do we have in last edition for Deathspitter on Warrior? a 24" BS3 S6 AP5 blast at 33pts each model, infantry or light vehicle as you call. now it become worse and I dont feel like to say this is good anymore.

Venomthrope could be very good if you got a slow moving formation like Tervigon with tones of gaunts ,but then this is too much for deffensive power, I would put Termagants with devourer in this case to max out the fire base effect, if they dont charge you they got shot to death ,if they charge you then eat some counter attack toxin sacs claws plus all the venomthrope buff , only weakness for this will be facing multiple big blasts ,5+ cover save wont hold off that.

Regwon wrote:
The law of averages makes deathspitters good against MEQs. With that many S5 shots some will get through. S5 does also mean you can threaten MCs and light vehices, even with low chances of success. The anti-tank in the army comes from other places, like zoanthropes or hive guard. Yes its not as good as a S6 AP5 blast but that doesnt mean it isnt good. Warriors need some sort of shooting, otherwise they risk being outmanuvered and shot to pieces before they can do anything. They just dont have the speed to go pure combat, not against the mobile armies that we are seeing at the moment. So for 5pts, deathspitters are the best option. If you want a fast comabt nasty then get some shrikes with boneswords. Just as good as warriors but a lot faster.

Devourers double the cost of the gants. Even if they would have a huge amount of firepower it wouldnt be worth it at 10ppm. You may as well get twice the number of gants for that. Slightly less firepower but better in every other respect. I think its better to keep them cheap and use all the buffs from all the tervigons/vthropes to make them good.

Blasts will always be a problem for hordes but a 5+ cover and FNP is far better in everyway than no save at all.

Klueless wrote:
Everyone else - In my games Warriors have been a solid choice. Both the shooty ones & the CC ones. Although, point for point, the shooty ones have made their points back better. Especially with a Alpha in there.
The CC ones have been a bit hit & miss.

Mattlov wrote:

Klueless wrote:
Everyone else - In my games Warriors have been a solid choice. Both the shooty ones & the CC ones. Although, point for point, the shooty ones have made their points back better. Especially with a Alpha in there.
The CC ones have been a bit hit & miss.

Enjoy watching them die by the brood to a single Battle Cannon shot. That sucks HARD.

Gannon wrote:I played a game against a Trygprime this weekend and it feel real quick to my mob of boyz, the other game I played Tau, it ate 3 crisis suit squads fo dinna! Mixed results. Beautiful model though. Give the Prime a shot, you'll probably like the results. Plus anything with an assault 18 (total) weapon is awesome.

thekerrick wrote:

Gannon wrote:I played a game against a Trygprime this weekend and it feel real quick to my mob of boyz, the other game I played Tau, it ate 3 crisis suit squads fo dinna! Mixed results. Beautiful model though. Give the Prime a shot, you'll probably like the results. Plus anything with an assault 18 (total) weapon is awesome.

IT IS NOT A 18 SHOT GUN! It clearly says that the 12 shot gun REPLACES the 6 shot gun, you dont get both of them.

thekerrick wrote:IT IS NOT A 18 SHOT GUN! It clearly says that the 12 shot gun REPLACES the 6 shot gun, you dont get both of them.

Arschbombe wrote:

thekerrick wrote:IT IS NOT A 18 SHOT GUN! It clearly says that the 12 shot gun REPLACES the 6 shot gun, you dont get both of them.

Yeah, but it's easy to confuse. If you look at the unit entry it show bio-electric pulse under weapons and biomorphs. It also lists containment spines for the prime. That would lead one to believe that the trygon prime has both weapons. When you refer back to page 50 it says that the trygon prime uses the containment spine profile when it fires its bio-electric pulse. One could infer from that the prime gets 2 assault 12 shots, one for the basic pulse and one for the actual spines.

All that's need to fix it is for the unit entry to say "Bio-electric pulse (trygon only)."

tetrisphreak wrote:TFF (tyranid force field)