w0chtulka wrote:Librarian with assault squad is mess. Dont do it.

Consider combimeltas for sarges for more antitank. I would swap one meltagun for a flamer and take combiflamer too. If you are going to combatsquad bear in mind that 5 marines with one fist is maybe not enough if you plan going into CC. Power weapon would MAYBE be better.

The overall list is good but i think that if you face 180 boyz you are totally doomed so take more flamers maybe..

Commander Endova wrote:Looks like a solid list, boring, though. But then some argue that boring and competitive are on opposite ends of the spectrum.

My only recommendations concern your assault squad. Your captain is deadly, no doubt about it, but I think that a chaplain instead could really enhance the whole unit. 5 man Assault squads aren't the greatest, especially agasint some of the more CC oriented armies.

Also, a chaplain with a jump pack is 115 points, giving you 55 points to work with.

Also, I think you may have misread your codex, or I may have misread your post, but, you can;t take 2 plasma pistols in a 5 man squad. So that's a running total of 70 points.

Now let me finally recommend downgrading your plasma pistol to a flamer. Personally, I don;t want that even slight chance of losing a guy in a 5 man unit to Gets Hot! You'll lose one attack, but gain the ability to hit many more models in your shooting phase, and you won;t have to worry about losing anyone to friendly fire.

That also brings our total up to 75 points. There's a few things you could do with them. I personally hate to see marines foot slogging, so you could buy 2 rhinos for rushing those objectives. Lose one Land Speeder, (making one squadron of 3) and there's a third Rhino. With whats left over, you can scatter 4 H-K missles throught your army, which will offset losing that one Speeder, and finally give your Assault Sergent melta-bombs, so you can effectively assault vehicles.

In summary:

Commander Endova wrote:That's looking excellent. Combi-flamers are a nice touch, and definitely "hybridize" those Tac squads.

The last thing I can say is that I'm not a huge fan personally of the way you field that Dreadnought. what you have there is a shooty Dreadnought, which aren't the best kind to drop behind enemy lines. A completley devious way to play it would to be to deploy the dread on your side, (swap the heavy flamer for either the autocannon or missile launcher for ultimate shootyness) and drop the empty and expendable Deathwind Drop Pod somewhere it can harass the enemy.

Another extremely popular choice is to drop an Ironclad behind enemy lines. It can take much more abuse then a standard Dread, having better armor scores and Extra Armor. It's also got more attacks than a standard Dread, if you equip it properly. The popular tactic is to employ the drop pod to drop the Ironclad very close to an enemy squad, and let it charge in on the subsequent turn, usually to great result. For the points you spent on your drop pod/dread setup, you can get a non-Deathwind pod (35), and an Ironclad (135) with a heavy flamer (10). Ironclads also have the meltagun, and the seismic hammer, which is awesome against vehicles. It's an awesome hybrid, and is beastly in assault.

The comparison between the two, for behind the lines harassing, is that if you sit there and shoot at your opponent from behind, he'll use a good amount if firepower on that shooty Dreadnought (which does have it's advantages, if there are other things you don;t want him to kill right away) whereas if you assault with the Ironclad, he won't be able to shoot at it, and you can tie up a fair amount of his forces in melee. His shooting will be dispersed pretty much normally across the rest of your army.

Just some food for thought.

Commander Endova wrote:Well, if you haven't done so already, don;t glue the arms on. Dreadnought arms have enough friction that they'll stay in place without glue.

Shrike78 wrote:Here are some points that i feel should be raised:

1: Hunter killer missiles really aren't that great. For what they are they are prohibitively expensive and realistically, a Str 8 attack isn't all that effective against vehicles. even against AV 12 the chances of you destroying the vehicle is 2/3*1/3*1/3= 2/27. In summary, even if you fired all three of your HKs at one target, the odds are good that you would not destroy the tank. Even Penetrating it once would be difficult for your 45 points worth of one time use attachments.

2: Shrike is great. But he is best for armies that have LOTS of assault units that have good chances of winning their combats. A fleeting dreadnought, and an assault squad (an understrength one at that) simply is not the best use of a pretty expensive HQ unit.

3: When compared against a power weapon, lightning claws are better against everything with toughness 4 and higher. Since most heavily armored units also have toughness 4 or higher, these would be the ones that your assault squad would have the most trouble with. I would therefore switch the assault squad's PW for a LC to give them a better all around chance in CC

4: Having a single unit drop down into the midst of your enemy's gunline/close combat squads is NOT the way to go. If they would normally beat your Dread in CC then they will charge it, if they would not, they would simply move out of charge range and perforate your dread and drop pod with lots and lots of anti tank rounds. I would drop this unit entirely, it simply doesn't seem effective in this setup.

5: It seems that you're planning to combat squad. If so, i would highly advise that you replace your rhinos with razorbacks, it's a 5 point upgrade and you get a LOT more firepower.