<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Revamped 4th Ed Tyranid army for 5th Ed. "]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Revamped 4th Ed Tyranid army for 5th Ed. I do not plan to alter models, nor purchase anything new (counts as is tolerable to a certain extent, which will be explained). I just need to find some new cohesion.
-Thank you

Hivefleet Blitzkrieg

HQ
+Krieg Tyrant: 2 Scything Talons, Leech Essence, Paroxysm.
(I'd like to keep it as nasty in melee as it was in 4th, but the points cost is too high now.)

+Blitz Tyrant: Twin Linked Devourers w/Brainleech Worms, Heavy Venom Cannon, Leech Essence, Paroxysm. (Shooty Tyrant, although I find the new Shooting only powers to be useless for the most part on this creature.)

+2 regular Tyrant Guard
(Stick 1 with each Tyrant or double up on one?)

Elite
+2x Lictors
(Alternative: counts as Tyrant Guard? Brood of 2 or split them?)

Troops
+4 Krieg Warriors: 2 Scything Talons
+5 Blitz Warriors: 4 w/Scything Talons + Deathspitter, 1 w/Scything Talons + Venom Cannon
+28 Blitz Gants: Spinefists
+28 Krieg Gaunts: Scything Talons +Toxin Sacs (Keep Toxin?)
+17 Regular Genestealers (Split into 2 Broods?)

Fast Attack
+6 Spore Mine Clusters
+6 Spore Mine Clusters
+6 Spore Mine Clusters
(I have tons of Spore Mines, so I'd like to use them as much as possible.)

Heavy Support
+3 Biovores (Used to have Bio Acid for my Anti Vehicular, that is gone.)
+2 Carnifex: Scything Talons + Heavy Venom Cannon
(My new Anti Vehicular.Keep 2 in one Brood or split? Use them for Counts As Tyrannofex?)

Total: 2250

As you see, I am light in AV, but anti personnel is quite high. I'd like to keep the swarm together as much as possible, giving my opponent too many deadly targets to choose from. I had to strip my army down to bare bones in this new book, and I still gained at least 100 extra points. Just trying to find a way to include as much as possible again while still being a nice all comers/balanced list.

Thank you for your time.
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HVC fex is good, and T-fex could replace S9 guns with S10. Since you have no zoans, place them as T-fex is also a good idea.

So many gants...maybe count a tyrant as tervigon would be good support to gants.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1297006.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1297006.page GMT Re:Revamped 4th Ed Tyranid army for 5th Ed.
Hivefleet Blitzkrieg

HQ
+Krieg Tyrant: 2 Scything Talons, Leech Essence, Paroxysm.

+Blitz Tyrant: Twin Linked Devourers w/Brainleech Worms, Stranglethorn Cannon, Leech Essence, Paroxysm.
+2 regular Tyrant Guard
(Stick 1 with each Tyrant or double up on one?)

Elite
+2x Lictors
(Brood of 2 or split them?)
+3x Hive Guard
(Brood of 3 or split them?)

Troops
+4 Krieg Warriors: 2 Scything Talons
+5 Blitz Warriors: 4 w/Scything Talons + Deathspitter, 1 w/Scything Talons + Barbed Strangler
+28 Blitz Gants: Spinefists , 1 with Strangleweb
+28 Krieg Gaunts: Scything Talons
+17 Regular Genestealers (Split into 2 Broods?)

Fast Attack
+6 Spore Mine Clusters
+6 Spore Mine Clusters
+6 Spore Mine Clusters
(I have tons of Spore Mines, so I'd like to use them as much as possible.)

Heavy Support
+2 Carnifex: Scything Talons + Heavy Venom Cannon
(Keep 2 in one Brood or split?)

Total: 2189
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Also, buy the Hive Commander Upgrade on one of your Tyrants so you can give a unit of Troops (probably the 4 warriors I was just talking about) Outflank and a +1 to reserve roll.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1299362.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1299362.page GMT Revamped 4th Ed Tyranid army for 5th Ed.
Was thinking of having the Lictors counts as 2 more Tyrant Guard. Thoughts on this? Also please comment on the suggestions in parenthesis.

Will look into Hive Commander, but having just 4 Warriors outflank does not seem worthwhile. I'd like to keep the swarm packed like one gigantic entity, know what I mean?

Please keep the comments coming.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1302042.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1302042.page GMT Revamped 4th Ed Tyranid army for 5th Ed.
Second tyrant is ok.

Lictors are a bit meh. You deep strike onto the table and cannot use their phermone trail the same turn, nor the reserve roll.

The warriors with 2 pairs of scything talons would be better with rending claws and toxin sacs - reroll to wound is nice, or anything over T5 hits on a 4+ still

Spinegaunts are really expensive. I would proxy these for termagaunts, really.

I would split the genestealers drop the hormagaunts and get another termagant unit. You now have two nasty c.c unit threats and ranged shooting units too.

With those two units of warriors have you thought of taking tyranid primes, btw?

Spore mines are ok against infantry lists. Mech armies do not fear them. Makes me laugh when they detonate against my side armour 13 on my leman russes.

Split the 'fex's gives you two units for dual threat then. Throw in frag mines and bio plasma if you can, you now can assault into cover and bio plasma is another weapon, but 20 points is expensive.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1302690.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1302690.page GMT Re:Revamped 4th Ed Tyranid army for 5th Ed. Old Adversary is the Preferred Enemy power to certain units?
On the Lictors: so counts as Tyrant Guard then?
Ok so 4 Warriors, Talons, Claws and Toxin?
Counts as the 28 Spinegants for the ones with FleshBorers?
Cannot drop the Hormagaunts. I'd like to use all the models I currently have w/o purchasing anything new.

Just wanting a "ok so this new book came out, what can I do with what I have?" kind of thing.

Appreciate the suggestions. In time I am sure it will all come together ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1304677.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1304677.page GMT Revamped 4th Ed Tyranid army for 5th Ed. The Spinegaunts --> termagaunts would be easy too.

The new book really did change a lot... but I think you could probably just count as if you can easily remember what they are, which shouldn't be hard. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1304787.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1304787.page GMT Re:Revamped 4th Ed Tyranid army for 5th Ed.
byteboy wrote:On the wings: no wings man. Not wanting to do anymore conversions.
Old Adversary is the Preferred Enemy power to certain units?
On the Lictors: so counts as Tyrant Guard then?
Ok so 4 Warriors, Talons, Claws and Toxin?
Counts as the 28 Spinegants for the ones with FleshBorers?
Cannot drop the Hormagaunts. I'd like to use all the models I currently have w/o purchasing anything new.

Just wanting a "ok so this new book came out, what can I do with what I have?" kind of thing.

Appreciate the suggestions. In time I am sure it will all come together


Then the tyrant with the talons isn't going to make combat quickly enough and will be gunned down. Why not proxy? After all wings are not targetted for LOS.

Yes, preferred enemy affects units within 6" of the tyrant and the tyrant itself. So you can buff x amount of units.

I would go count as tyrant guard seems you really want to keep that tyrant without wings. Though if your having a foot tyrant ranged fire power is better.

talons, rending claws and toxin sacs are deadly. You get to re-roll to wound against T4 units or below which could mean more rending hits. Also monstrous creatures still get hit on a 4+. These guys are annoying, I've fought against them.

I would do counts as for the spinegaunts. Spinefists are a bit naff. I'm sure saying to your opponent oh these are fleshborers wouldn't be a problem, I wouldn't tbh.

I would get two units of hormagaunts then, for dual threat, maybe.

No worries . Be sure to check out my blog in my signature, getting some tyranid tactica up and more will be coming. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1305304.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1305304.page GMT Re:Revamped 4th Ed Tyranid army for 5th Ed. If I do that, what becomes of the 2 Lictors counting as Tyrant Guard?

So beef up the Warriors to have Talons/Claws and Toxin?

I can split the 28 Hormas into 2 broods of 14 no problem.

So Troops would be:
Melee Warriors
Shooty Warriors
Horma x14
Horma x14
28 Fleshborer Termas
17 Stealers

Will look into the changes to the Fexes as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1306683.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1306683.page GMT Revamped 4th Ed Tyranid army for 5th Ed. . Until I get wings for mine thats what I'll be doing anyway...

Yup. Warriors with toxin sacs get to re-roll against T4, that means more rending

IMO units should always been taken in twos because of unit redundancy and dual threat. I only take weak units in singles. So I would double up on the genestealers and drop hormagaunts, though tbh you don't need 17 genestealers in a unit if you use them well. 10 should be enough, but make sure to give them toxin sacs for the same reason as the warriors. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1308151.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1308151.page GMT Re:Revamped 4th Ed Tyranid army for 5th Ed.
Hivefleet Blitzkrieg

HQ
+Skull F***er aka Swarm Lord

+Blitz Tyrant: Twin Linked Devourers w/Brainleech Worms, Heavy Venom Cannon, Leech Essence, Paroxysm.
(HVC or Stranglethorn?)

+4 regular Tyrant Guard (2 Lictors counts as for SwarmLord)


Elite
+3x Hive Guard (3 Biovores counts as)

Troops
+4 Krieg Warriors: Talons, Claws, Toxin.
+5 Blitz Warriors: 4 w/Scything Talons + Devourers, 1 w/Scything Talons + Barbed Strangler
+28 Blitz Gants: Fleshborers
+14 Krieg Gaunts: Scything Talons, Toxin
+14 Krieg Gaunts: Scything Talons, Toxin
+17 Regular Genestealers (Swarm Lord will use his ability to have them Outflank and arrive faster. I kept it at 17 because it will be large enough to charge multiple enemy units and keep them busy till the swarm hits them.)

Fast Attack
+6 Spore Mine Clusters
+6 Spore Mine Clusters
+6 Spore Mine Clusters

Heavy Support
+1 Carnifex: Scything Talons, Heavy Venom Cannon , Bio Plasma, Frag Spines, Adrenal Glands.

+1 Carnifex: Scything Talons, Heavy Venom Cannon , Bio Plasma, Frag Spines, Adrenal Glands.
(I have a nice balance of shooting and melee with this setup. )

Total: 2402

As you see the points went up, but I almost have half an army that shoots and half an army that is melee. Exactly what I had before and this makes me happy. I know it was mentioned the Stealers should have Toxin, if that is done, what needs to go?It costs 51 points for it.(Upgrade wise, not model wise) I'd like to keep this close to 2400 overall.

Again comments and critique are appreciated, just please keep in mind I am not doing anymore conversions, nor buying anymore models. (I have 12 armies as it is ).
Thank you
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I still think those stealers would be better halfed. That way you've got dual threat and all will make combat. You might not get all 17 into combat. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1315181.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276848/1315181.page GMT