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For those who don't know he is a Chelsea football player, England captain, and on something in the region of £170,000 per week (high even for a football player).

He has also got the girlfriend (now ex-girlfriend) of an ex-team mate pregnant during an affair and arranged for her to have an abortion, if the tabloids can be believed.

So- with the World Cup only just around the corner, is he still the man to lead England to glory? Or should he be stripped of the captaincy?

Several sports personalities today (mostly on the radio) still call him a great leader, a man of integrity, a role model on the field, and we shouldn't judge him for his off-field transgressions.

Anyone have any thoughts on this? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1297901.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1297901.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1297905.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1297905.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
Team member : "What's that dave your a paedophile?"
Captain: "Yes but you musn't judge me by me 'off-field transgressions'"

That's the kind of stupid dumb ass logic only football could come up with.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1297926.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1297926.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
And nobody will lead England to glory because they are fething dogpoo.

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"He is the bravest, the BRAVEST man ever to wear the Chelsea shirt. He has never shirked in his duty, count on that!"

Such bravery that he hired a team of ferocious lawyers to try and stop the story becoming public knowledge. Terry, grow a pair!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1297950.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1297950.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
Integrity. Here is a Dictionary. Look it up and eat your words.

Role Model. Well, at least they didn't claim he was a good role model!

And Bravery can often be another word for Stupid.

I'd like to see him sacked as Captain, and denied a slot. Same goes for Wayne Rooney as it happens, violent little thug.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1297965.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1297965.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298092.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298092.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
whatwhat wrote:
Team member : "What's that dave your a paedophile?"
Captain: "Yes but you musn't judge me by me 'off-field transgressions'"

That's the kind of stupid dumb ass logic only football could come up with.


That's a pretty common thing in professional sports, and generally effective. It doesn't really matter what happens off the field, so long as you win on the field.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298158.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298158.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298164.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298164.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
Should he be banned?

Two reasons why I might agree:

1. Attempting to muzzle free speech via legal constraints. (I don't buy the argument that it is his personal life when it affects the team as a whole, which is a national possession.)

2. If the FA want to maintain the fiction that modern high level football is a noble game which inspires youngsters to do their best, etc, blah blah blah.

According to the evening news, Tiger Woods is down $1,000,000 a day in lost sponsorships since his unfortunate car accident.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298207.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298207.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour? The only thing I'm interested in as far as these people are concerned, is what they do as a day job. John Terry is good footballer, bad person. Roger Waters is a good musician, but a total tosser. Who cares?

Wayne Bridge probably isn't going to get another game for England, so it's not such a big deal in footballing terms.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298520.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298520.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
So every time Rooney throws Teddy from the Pram and gets red-carded, every time Man Utd players gang rape a girl, every time John Terry knobs somebody elses wife, and all without proper punishment, kids are being told 'it's okay to be a complete witch as long as you can competently kick a ball for a bit each week'.

And it's not just pro sports players. Someone 'famous' thumps some spod in the street, gets a slap on the wrist, or is apparently 'made an example of' by the Courts. A fat, gobby nightmare, famous for feth all, throws racist abuse at someone, and nothing really happens to them.

It's pathetic, isn't it? Capello should have been a new broom to sweep clean the England Team, and get across the thick feths that a spot on the team is NOT guaranteed purely by ability, but also by behaviour. Not like it will make a blind bit of difference. Everyone knows you'll crash out the World Cup on penalties to Germany. Again.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298580.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298580.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Which is a pathetic mindset.


Why? You don't have to like your teammates, and simply allowing someone to play is not a tacit endorsement of their off-field activities. If you can do your job, then anything else should be considered irrelevant. It isn't the role of an employer to serve as a social commentator, or extension of the judicial system.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298609.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298609.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour? When was the last time Scotland qualified for the World Cup? Exactly. Shut it.

Media attention? How many kids do you know who read The Sun? Or stay up late to watch Match of The Day? Regardless, your argument is along the same lines as 'violent video games make kids want to kill people'. Which is a load of tosh. If the only only influence your children have on their behaviour is the tabloid depiction of footballers' private lives, and violent video games/movies, then the blame rests squarely with you, not John Terry. You sound like a hysterical housewife.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298630.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298630.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
T'riffic! And you are right that if the media is the only influence on a kid, there's going to be trouble. But sadly that is exactly what is happening all too often!

And hey, at least Scotland fans can accept their team is hopeless!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298668.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298668.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298924.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298924.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
I suspect JT will keep the captaincy purely because there is no-one else viable for the role.

@MDG: You seem to be wanting England fans to admit that our team is just as crap as yours. They aren't. If England play well, they might reach the quarter or semi finals of a major international competition. If Scotland play well, they barely qualify for said competition and go out in the group stages. I'm not saying that England are a great side, far from it. They are however vastly superior to the scottish atm ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298974.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1298974.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
J.Black wrote: @MDG: You seem to be wanting England fans to admit that our team is just as crap as yours. They aren't. If England play well, they might reach the quarter or semi finals of a major international competition.


MDG keeps on making this claim that "The English" cannot accept that England are a gak team, when as far as i can tell almost everyone on here happily admits it regularly.

Half of them are like me and actually think that England are worse than they are, ranked somewhere between Latvia and Mali, and the other half would be happy with reaching the quarter finals, im not seeing where any of our neighbors are getting the feeling that the average person south of the border thinks "England will win the world cup EZ!! LOLZ!!"

For myself, i support Middlesbrough to the point that i cant really get behind any support of England. I strongly dislike almost all of the England team due to the fact i got so used to booing them all when they came to the Riverside, the FA are corrupt, and the management are either foreign or cockney, which is almost the same thing when you live in Middlesbrough.

MDG also no doubt thinks that English people eat babies, and William Wallace was hung drawn and quartered in 1997.

Oh and for the record, Scotland are ranked between Latvia and Mali.

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dogma wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Which is a pathetic mindset.


Why? You don't have to like your teammates, and simply allowing someone to play is not a tacit endorsement of their off-field activities. If you can do your job, then anything else should be considered irrelevant. It isn't the role of an employer to serve as a social commentator, or extension of the judicial system.


American employers often drug test staff and sack those who fail.




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I would also argue that employers are more than social commentators, they are part of the body of society and have similar duties and obligations to contribute to the health of society as the rest of us.

No-one is saying what John Terry did is good. Why shouldn't he be punished for it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1299417.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1299417.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
But at the same time, if you are in the public eye like JT, then you have a responsibility to be a rolemodel.

I loathe JT, but at the end of the day, humping your teamates girl while your married isnt breaking any law, it just makes you a cock.

No easy answer to be sure, but i vote sack him just because i dont like the fether, and i think he isnt the best centre half England have anyway. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1299440.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1299440.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
Now all we need to find out is whether he is claiming benefits illegally ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1299443.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1299443.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
And make him give back the 2009 father of the year award.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1299600.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1299600.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

And make him give back the 2009 father of the year award.


I agree with this totally.

I've no problem with him being in the team, frankly, (legal) off the pitch activities I would struggle to care less about, but if you're the captain of the team, there to extol them to do better and be the managers mouth on the pitch then you can't go around stabbing your friends in the back like this and expect to maintain any level of respect from your teammates.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1299637.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1299637.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour? He lost his marriage.
Lost his job (he was captain of the team) and left football for a year and a half before making a partially successful return for another team.
Turned into a jetsetting drug taking loser who is now banned from the US.

He has to live with the consequences.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1299650.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1299650.page GMT Re:John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
Capello has phoned Wayne Bridge and informed him that John Terry has lost the England Captain's armband.

.... could he possibly have a look under his bed for it please.
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Albatross wrote:Media attention? How many kids do you know who read The Sun? Or stay up late to watch Match of The Day? Regardless, your argument is along the same lines as 'violent video games make kids want to kill people'. Which is a load of tosh. If the only only influence your children have on their behaviour is the tabloid depiction of footballers' private lives, and violent video games/movies, then the blame rests squarely with you, not John Terry. You sound like a hysterical housewife.


Actually, as someone who works in an inner-city school where almost every young boy's sole aspiration is to be a professional footballer, I would say that most of them read the Sun, most of them watch Match of the Day and/or matches on TV, and MANY of them emulate the same sort of behaviour they see from these stars in the school playground, during PE lessons and on Hackney Marshes. I occasionally help out with managing the teams on a Saturday morning at Hackney Marshes, and you cannot even begin to tell me that they do not learn their behaviour from watching football on TV. I've even taken my own players off the pitch before and told them it is because I won't have them abusing the ref or other players, and they honestly do not understand why, because they see it on TV all of them time. They then bring the same behaviour into the classroom.

I've got one kid in my year group who plays for Arsenal Youth, and he really might make it, and I hope to hell he does. Why? Because, in addition to being an incredibly gifted footballer, he is also polite, hard-working, respectful and intelligent. He does not play football for the school, but he does athletics for us, is a member of the School Student Council, is the first choice for meeting guests to school, for example Tessa Jowell who came and visited our school. If I were his age, I would be proud to be a part of any team he were Captain of, and I would love to see him as England Captain one day. He would take pride in it and allow every member of the nation to feel proud in their team.

As for comparing this argument to computer games, it is NOT the same. Even if you dismiss the view that computer games have some effect on children, this is different as it is REAL people, not virtual people. Many of the kids I teach are also from one-parent families. Their male role models in real life are often gang members and thugs, and the role models they aspite to are these footballers. When they act as thugs, they DO inspire young people to act the same way.

I want the England Team to win football matches, but I also want to feel proud of them as representative of our nation as a whole. Do we really want this man to be the one lifting the trophy for us if by some mircale we won, and showing the rest of the world what sort of people we are?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1299875.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1299875.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
If he hasnt broken the law I don't see how any of this story can be described as being in the public interest.

Kilkrazy wrote:

American employers often drug test staff and sack those who fail.



America can be a strange place can’t it, for all their talk of loving freedom they really do tolerate some very authoritarian nonsense. My employer can clear right off if they want to try and poke their nose into what I get up to after 5-30. Can you imagine a company in the UK trying this? They wouldn’t have a leg to stand on.
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LuciusAR wrote:
America can be a strange place can’t it, for all their talk of loving freedom they really do tolerate some very authoritarian nonsense. My employer can clear right off if they want to try and poke their nose into what I get up to after 5-30. Can you imagine a company in the UK trying this? They wouldn’t have a leg to stand on.


Actually, it's happening more and more in the UK and does hold up in court - lots of companies feel that drug taking employees impinge on their brand for example.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1299905.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1299905.page GMT Re:John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
The OC-D]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1300167.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1300167.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
It also astounds me how some people in this thread think a player sleeping with his team mates ex partner and mother of their child should have no effect on his position as captain whatsoever.

You only need to point at Roy Keane (who admitted that he deliberately broke another players leg and ending their career, and is still thrown up as a "football legend) to see how ridiculously far football fans take their support of a person based on the fact they are a good player.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1300358.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1300358.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1300716.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1300716.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
whatwhat wrote:The issue isn't that he's some role model for kids and all that rubbish. It's that in almost every other industry besides sport this behavior gets you a suspension without pay and a "sort your life out" bollocking.


Different standards apply to different industries, and different companies. This shouldn't be surprising at all, nor should it be considered outrageous. Really, the latter just seems like a symptom of jealousy.

whatwhat wrote:
It also astounds me how some people in this thread think a player sleeping with his team mates ex partner and mother of their child should have no effect on his position as captain whatsoever.

You only need to point at Roy Keane (who admitted that he deliberately broke another players leg and ending their career, and is still thrown up as a "football legend) to see how ridiculously far football fans take their support of a person based on the fact they are a good player.


I'm guessing you don't have a lot of experience with athletics. None of what you're describing is unusual, or particularly damning; especially at the professional level. In the case of the alleged pregnancy issues captaincy should be withheld if the players themselves have a problem with what happened (though captaincy is far less relevant when professional athletes are concerned), but if there is no issue nothing should be done.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1300752.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1300752.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
dogma wrote:
whatwhat wrote:The issue isn't that he's some role model for kids and all that rubbish. It's that in almost every other industry besides sport this behavior gets you a suspension without pay and a "sort your life out" bollocking.


Different standards apply to different industries, and different companies. This shouldn't be surprising at all, nor should it be considered outrageous. Really, the latter just seems like a symptom of jealousy.


Which industry is it where you can sleep with the mother of your co workers child, have another child with her and make her have it aborted, and then see no consequences?

And btw I never said the issue was mutually exclusive to football.

Edit: just to show my workings here... e=mc2, x=y+z, ((guy who got suspended for having an affair with co workers partner, made her pregnant and paid for abortion, being outraged when Jon Terry does the same and gets off scott free) = jealosy) = logic fail x10000to the power of jesus smegging christ.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1300767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1300767.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
whatwhat wrote:
Which industry is it where you can sleep with the mother of your co workers child, have another child with her and make her have it aborted, and then see no consequences?


Just about any industry. Why would an employer fire you for malfeasance outside the office which had no necessary impact on your ability to do your job? If anything your co-worker would be likely to see consequences for any action he took against you in the work place.

whatwhat wrote:
And btw I never said the issue was mutually exclusive to football.


You did imply it with the "only in football" line. Though you clearly weren't being literal, and I never indicated that you were.

whatwhat wrote:
Edit: just to show my workings here... e=mc2, x=y+z, ((guy who got suspended for having an affair with co workers partner, made her pregnant and paid for abortion, being outraged when Jon Terry does the same and gets off scott free) = jealosy) = logic fail x10000to the power of jesus smegging christ.


That's not a logic failure, by your equation jealousy seems like a perfectly valid emotional reaction; at least in the sense that it is used as a synonym for envy. If I am to infer that you did something similar to what Terry is alleged to have done, then I'm not sure what I'm supposed to draw from this other than a sense of umbrage at the fortune of another.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1301061.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1301061.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1301119.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1301119.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1301134.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1301134.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
Albatross wrote:I really don't give a gak what he gets up to in his spare time. I also don't care what my favourite musicians do in their spare time. Or my favourite authors. Or Jervis Johnson.
The only thing I'm interested in as far as these people are concerned, is what they do as a day job. John Terry is good footballer, bad person. Roger Waters is a good musician, but a total tosser. Who cares?

Wayne Bridge probably isn't going to get another game for England, so it's not such a big deal in footballing terms.


I find myself agreeing with you more and more Alb...



On a side note. Across the pond anything short of video taping yourself hanging and electrocuting puppies is fair game... If the man wants to be a tool its his right, I don't have to watch him or support him in anyway. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1301137.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1301137.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1301141.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1301141.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1301151.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1301151.page GMT Re:John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
Fifty wrote:Actually, as someone who works in an inner-city school where almost every young boy's sole aspiration is to be a professional footballer, I would say that most of them read the Sun, most of them watch Match of the Day and/or matches on TV,


Nothing to do with footballers, everything to do with bad parenting. The Sun is a tabloid newspaper with tits in it, and Match of The Day is on at 10:30PM at night.

Fifty wrote:and MANY of them emulate the same sort of behaviour they see from these stars in the school playground, during PE lessons and on Hackney Marshes. I occasionally help out with managing the teams on a Saturday morning at Hackney Marshes, and you cannot even begin to tell me that they do not learn their behaviour from watching football on TV.


Fine, but John Terry did NOT shag Wayne Bridges missus on the pitch, or force her to have an abortion there. To put it bluntly. Of course kids who play the game copy the on-pitch antics of players they admire, and as such the players should be aware that their on-pitch actions will be copied, and act accordingly. But their private lives? No-ones business but their own.

Fifty wrote:As for comparing this argument to computer games, it is NOT the same. Even if you dismiss the view that computer games have some effect on children, this is different as it is REAL people, not virtual people. Many of the kids I teach are also from one-parent families. Their male role models in real life are often gang members and thugs, and the role models they aspite to are these footballers. When they act as thugs, they DO inspire young people to act the same way.


Well, I'm from a one parent family and come from one of the most deprived areas in the country - I'm not a thug. Personal choice has a part to play, after all. My point was that it's not just a simple case of 'kids see a footballer acting immorally and will copy him'. Such simplistic arguments are used by critics of violent computer games. What would make a kid want to emulate John Terry in this instance? I take your point about ON-PITCH behavior, but kids should not be aware of such concepts as 'having an affair' and 'abortion' at a young enough age that their sense of right and wrong is not fully developed. My 6 year old lad wouldn't have a clue what either term meant.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1301534.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1301534.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
Keyasa wrote:Just want to know some other opinions on John Terry after the recent uproar/media frenzy/tabloid mayhem.

For those who don't know he is a Chelsea football player, England captain, and on something in the region of £170,000 per week (high even for a football player).

He has also got the girlfriend (now ex-girlfriend) of an ex-team mate pregnant during an affair and arranged for her to have an abortion, if the tabloids can be believed.

So- with the World Cup only just around the corner, is he still the man to lead England to glory? Or should he be stripped of the captaincy?

Several sports personalities today (mostly on the radio) still call him a great leader, a man of integrity, a role model on the field, and we shouldn't judge him for his off-field transgressions.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?


doesn't matter, the Brasilian National Diving Team will win.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1301546.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1301546.page GMT Re:John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
One of the captains was fined ten grand last year for getting drunk at the awards night, and he lost his spot on a sports discussion TV show.

A mate of mine was recently accepted into the professional league, and the Club phoned our old English teacher to check his moral character, particularly around girls.

Can't really blame the clubs though, they deliberately market themselves to kids with those footy cards so they have to set a good standard.

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dogma wrote:
Just about any industry. Why would an employer fire you for malfeasance outside the office which had no necessary impact on your ability to do your job? If anything your co-worker would be likely to see consequences for any action he took against you in the work place.


Didn't Andy Chambers get fired for (allegedly) sleeping with another Studio member's wife?

Just saying it is best not to generalise - I think a lot of employers would look down very seriously at these sorts of shenanigans even if they are out of work time, they still affect workplace harmony and productivity.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1302024.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1302024.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
But I'm a heartless SOB, so your mileage may vary.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1302037.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1302037.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1302208.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1302208.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1302505.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1302505.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1302513.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1302513.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
Keyasa wrote:Just want to know some other opinions on John Terry after the recent uproar/media frenzy/tabloid mayhem.

For those who don't know he is a Chelsea football player, England captain, and on something in the region of £170,000 per week (high even for a football player).

He has also got the girlfriend (now ex-girlfriend) of an ex-team mate pregnant during an affair and arranged for her to have an abortion, if the tabloids can be believed.

So- with the World Cup only just around the corner, is he still the man to lead England to glory? Or should he be stripped of the captaincy?

Several sports personalities today (mostly on the radio) still call him a great leader, a man of integrity, a role model on the field, and we shouldn't judge him for his off-field transgressions.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

I say let the team decide. Obviously they would have just cause to not want to play with him. If they're still capable of playing as a team then all he has to worry about is being booed off the field. And if that's going to happen... then let it happen. By the sound of it, he deserves the humiliation.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1302521.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1302521.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1302852.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1302852.page GMT Re:John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
filbert wrote:He did at the weekend - not last night tho, Drogba free kick


Aye, right you are - I didn't read the post properly, and thought he meant the other day.

Still though.....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1303942.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1303942.page GMT John Terry- Sinner or Saviour?
What you have to understand is that these guys get pampered and talked up so much that their egos can't help but blow through the roof. I'm guessing that when everyone fawns over you, it tends to make your morals go iffy because you start thinking of yourself as superhuman. This is also why short athletes are the worst c*@#s imaginable ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1304934.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276908/1304934.page GMT