<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Popping the Land Raider as IG"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Popping the Land Raider as IG CSM player who runs a LR with Zerkers and Kharne in it, and I play as IG. I've only played him once, in my first game, it got to me and devastated me. I'm planning to use 2 heavy weapons squads w/ lascannons (he runs a mech CSM, 1 lr, 2 rhinos, lots of inf inside), and a Medusa. I wasn't too sure on the Medusa until I noticed the BBS is 2D6 for armor pen. I plan on using Bring it Down! on my heavy teams to tl my lascannons, and using the BBS to hopefully kill it. Any suggestions? Good? Bad? FYI, this is a 1500 point game.

EDIT: I forgot to add I have meltavets in a chimera. Just wondering, I'm giving them scout, so should I outflank them or have the chimera move 6" before the game starts and move up, blowing up the LR? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312316.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312316.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312321.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312321.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG
Lukus83 wrote:Getting veterans in melta range is a good idea.


Yeah, forgot to add I have meltavets in a chimera.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312322.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312322.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG ccs).

Use the plasma vets chimeras to screen the melta chimeras and then pop smoke on the plasma chimeras. At least 1 should make it through, and if they don't then at least you have have 6 lascannons. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312328.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312328.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG
Lukus83 wrote:Gonna need more than 1 unit though. 2 landraiders are gonna smoke them with their lascannons before you get in range. I say max out your troops, 2 melta vets, 2 plasma vets and 2x 30 man blobs with lascannons. Comes in at 1070 points (without the ccs).

Use the plasma vets chimeras to screen the melta chimeras and then pop smoke on the plasma chimeras. At least 1 should make it through, and if they don't then at least you have have 6 lascannons.


That would indeed be nice, however, I am pressed for troops and can only have 1 squad of vets if I want to have a platoon. Which I need for heavy weapons. I load up on russes and a medusa. Also, he only has 1 land raider, he also runs 2 rhinos, which I can take out with ease. The plauge marines inside, not so much, unless my russes hit them. Which they do, a lot. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312333.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312333.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG
I suggest buying more troops, since you are at a disadvantage without them. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312346.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312346.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG
Lukus83 wrote:Well if it's only 1 raider then I suppose it's easier to deal with.

I suggest buying more troops, since you are at a disadvantage without them.


Yeah, I need to step up on that. But for now, I'm guessing the Medusa w/ bastion breacher is gonna have to cut it.

Ooh, 10-man inf is only 15 bucks on amazon. I think I might grab a couple.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312352.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312352.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG D6 and take the highest. 3 battlecannon hits *should* result in a 6.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312360.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312360.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG
Lukus83 wrote:Well good luck with that. Remember the battlecannon is ordnance so when rolling for penetration you roll 2 D6 and take the highest. 3 battlecannon hits *should* result in a 6.


Yeah. Although Medusa is S10 AP1 2D6 w/ BBS.

This shouldn't be too bad, 6 tl lascannon shots should take it down.

We'll see, I'll post tomorrow if I fight.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312365.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312365.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312368.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312368.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312385.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312385.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG

The IG anti-everything (except MCs) unit!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312388.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312388.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG
Iron_Chaos_Brute wrote:My suggestion? You need some Manticores

The IG anti-everything (except MCs) unit!


Yeah, that would be nice. I'm trying to run this with what I have, though. And a Manticore is something I don't. Although they do rape orks. And nids. And pretty much every army. Pretty much what you said.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312401.page GMT Re:Popping the Land Raider as IG LR. Course its a massive waste of firepower really lol]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312418.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312418.page GMT Re:Popping the Land Raider as IG IMO the three best ways to get rid of the pesky little LR are:
1. meltavets in chimera
2. Manticore (D3 5" hits with S10, no comment)
3. Paskquisher (Vanquisher with Pask and Lascannon, costs 220 Pts. but has no problem to get through the armor with BS 4 and a S9+2D6 penetration gun and a S10 Lascannon, add in MMs if you like, but then the tank already costs 250 Pts. However it might be worth the points as you do not only get rid of the LR, but also send these pesky Assault Terminators or Berzerkers running through open ground)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312517.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312517.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG LRs open among all the other options, with the bonus that it tends to survive as well (in my av12 spam list at least)...meltavets may get the raw end of the stick from the LR's passengers and colleagues the turn after....

a cheaper option than meltavets is a melta armed PCS unit....that's 4 meltaguns, which gives you roughly the same chance to have 2 meltaguns hit versus a 3 meltagun vet squad,and you might get lucky and get more hits...and for a cheaper points cost...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312674.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312674.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG
They get knocked out of their vehicles early on, even if I do get near they can always just jump out and go stabby before I get in 6 inches. (and by then, I've used my smoke save).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312848.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312848.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG
Lukus83 wrote:Well good luck with that. Remember the battlecannon is ordnance so when rolling for penetration you roll 2 D6 and take the highest. 3 battlecannon hits *should* result in a 6.
In these circumstances I think he'd be better off shooting the battle tanks and possibly the lascannons at the Rhinos. After the Rhinos die the battle cannons would rather shoot at the disembarked troops than the Land Raider. A battle cannon hit has a small chance of bothering the land raider but isw much more effective against other targets.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312866.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312866.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG
Raxmei wrote:
Lukus83 wrote:Well good luck with that. Remember the battlecannon is ordnance so when rolling for penetration you roll 2 D6 and take the highest. 3 battlecannon hits *should* result in a 6.
In these circumstances I think he'd be better off shooting the battle tanks and possibly the lascannons at the Rhinos. After the Rhinos die the battle cannons would rather shoot at the disembarked troops than the Land Raider. A battle cannon hit has a small chance of bothering the land raider but isw much more effective against other targets.


I would do that, except the land raider has kharne. and berzerkers. I need to kill that thing first.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312892.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312892.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG
Buy a Valkyrie model. This is another 100-130 points.

For 180-210 points, you now have a vehicle that can scout move before game start 24", and then on your first turn can move 12" and drop off the melta troops. Three BS4 meltas should at least immobilize a Land Raider.

That leaves his 700 point unit stuck hiking across the table while your other 1300 points of army blows apart his remaining 800 points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312924.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1312924.page GMT Re:Popping the Land Raider as IG LR.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1313063.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1313063.page GMT Re:Popping the Land Raider as IG LR squad some sacrificial infantry squads. Let them eat 10 guardsmen, then rapid fire into their face. Rinse/repeat. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1313074.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1313074.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG
I would love some valks, but they're kind of like $50 plus apiece...as a high school student I can't afford that until summer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1313203.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1313203.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG
sourclams wrote:Ally in an Inquisitor with 3 Veteran Guardsmen with meltaguns. This will cost 80 points.

Buy a Valkyrie model. This is another 100-130 points.

For 180-210 points, you now have a vehicle that can scout move before game start 24", and then on your first turn can move 12" and drop off the melta troops. Three BS4 meltas should at least immobilize a Land Raider.

That leaves his 700 point unit stuck hiking across the table while your other 1300 points of army blows apart his remaining 800 points.


could he use Vets instead of an Inquisitor with retinue with the same result?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1313322.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1313322.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG
I forgot to add that for another 10 points you can buy the Inquisitor a combi melta. This puts 4 meltaguns on target for 90 points. Pretty much as dead as you can possibly make any vehicle.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1313353.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1313353.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG WH route 5 celestians with 2 meltas in a elite slot. Then i add jump/evis cannoness IC HQ,throw them in a valk. Celestians can go after 1 target, cannon after another target. With 3 faith the HQ can tie them up for a couple turns.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1313684.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1313684.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG
Lukus83 wrote:Excellent, looking forward to it.


Well, I turned out doing a 2v2 objective, but my medusa immobilized the LR on the first turn while it was behind cover, so it just got negated. Ah well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1314131.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1314131.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1314142.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1314142.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG
Lukus83 wrote:Well that's not bad. Negating it's effectiveness is just as good as wrecked.


True, although it's heavy bolter thinned out my guardsmen. The main problem wasn't the Chaos player, his Zerkers had to run across the field and get decimated, eventually. I was paired up with a Tau guy, and we held half of the objectives and contested a third from four for most of the game, but the Chaos Dark Eldar ally used plasma cannons to wipe them out. Then turbo-boost onto the objective on the last turn. Still a fun game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1314475.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1314475.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG 2d6 which means you have a somewhat decent chance to blow it up.

Devildog can do the same w/ meltacannon. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1314660.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1314660.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG DS them with airborne rules. You should be able to get them within 6".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1316203.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1316203.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG LR Executioners in a squadron in one round. Two shots, two kills. An extreme example, but I have used two squads vs a couple of mech lists to good effect. Hurts a bit in an Kill point game, but usually an even or better trade.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1322437.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1322437.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG PCS in a Chimera as a backup plan. If you've got Creed the PCS will prbably be in Order range for Bring It Down too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1326647.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1326647.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG
The indirect fire option is nice. Do not forget that you can fire it directly!

d3 str 10 ordnance sized blasts can generate alot of wounds very quickly.

Plus it's easy to make with some plasticard and any toy/model missiles you have around the house if you already have a chimera.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1326707.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1326707.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG I had some success using manticores against landraiders,plus the good thing is the tank usually sorrounded with high value troops too, even if your blast scatters,it should hit something worthwhile ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1327382.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1327382.page GMT Re:Popping the Land Raider as IG http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1327386.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1327386.page GMT Re:Popping the Land Raider as IG
Zid wrote:Meltavets or Lascannon spam... 9 lascannons (3 vendettas) are bound to pop a LR. Course its a massive waste of firepower really lol

I like this idea , 9 TL lascannon should be able to blow up a LR in 1 volley
Hmm need math hammer]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1327409.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1327409.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1327417.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1327417.page GMT Re:Popping the Land Raider as IG tl lascannons would only amount to 4/9ths of a landraider kill.

9 tl BS4 shots= 8 hits= 1 1/3 pens= 4/9 kills]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1327632.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1327632.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG
The beserkers inside are useless until they have something to charge.

Focus on lascannoning the rhinos and kicking out the squads inside, let the landraider get close then give him a target to charge, a cheap squad or something. Whatever.

He'll butcher the squad then consolidate, which means he's standing in front of your army on your turn.

Shoot down the squad and get your meltavets into range of the landraider, which would have had to get close to discharge the beserkers.

once dealt with you then have the opportunity to pick apart the rest of his army at range.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1327650.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1327650.page GMT Popping the Land Raider as IG

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or like nikolai says you can just let it eat one squad and then shoot all the guys inside. or the devil dog. or just stack 10 lascannons on it. as a guard player you have a really strong tool box for dealing with land raiders.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1327693.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277844/1327693.page GMT