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Malagor, the Dark Omen
Slugtongue, Lord of the Black Harvest
Bray Shaman, lvl 2, Hagtree fetish, dispel scroll
Bray Shaman, lvl 2, Shard of the Herdstone
10 Ungor Raiders
10 Ungor Raiders
6 Centigors w/Sire of a Thousand Young, w/manbane standard
5 Harpies
5 Harpies
Razorgor chariot
Razorgor chariot
Cygor
Jabberslythe

What say you, Dakka?
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To sum up the list: ultra-min core (guessing the centigor count somehow), 1+ harpies, 2+ chariots, max monsters, max magic ftw?

Looks like you're hitting on the book's initial strong points I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on the list and the choices you've made, particularly in regards special characters and your rare selection. The gorgon is a tank, but I may agree with you, cygor + jabber for maximum utility vs a variety of opponents.

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I see 4 characters, 5 flanking units (Raiders, Centigors, Harpies), 2 supporting units (Razorgor Chariots) & 2 monsters. The army has no rank and file for the rest of the units to work around.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1321352.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1321352.page GMT Re:Beastmen 2250
@Boss_Salvage:

My theory of this list is that it's a modified blaster list. You shoot magic at things, while cringing away from fighting. The Jabberslythe, Cygor and Razorgor chariots are your primary countercharge units, while the Centigors can do bunker duty (with MR 2) or be another countercharge unit (ws 5, s 5, hatred, 2 attacks each, medium counter charge)

@PlusARGON:

I've seen amazing things from Slugtongue in the few games I've seen him tried in. I have trouble imagining a Beastman list w/out him. The less ranked units the enemy has the better. Imagine him vs. a Skaven list with a bunch of weapon teams. Plus there's the ever popular boxcars result to kill the enemy's big nasty. Even after deployment, he's a level 2 caster and he can challenge with his regenerate if you are trying to survive a Big Nasty's charge.

@RantheCid:

Huh? Why would I put Rankk and File in the field? I don't get it.


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40kenthusiast wrote:
@RantheCid:

Huh? Why would I put Rank and File in the field? I don't get it.


What are you going to do against armies with multiple blocks of heavy infantry?

The list does not have any units able to to face to face with opposing infantry blocks. The best option the list has is a combo charge with the Jabberslythe & a Razorgor chariot. Might work once per game, but I don't see it as a reliable practice.

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Admittedly this is theory, but while I'm far from firm on my admiration for this list I'm fairly unshakable in my contempt for fighting infantry. They are bad. Fighting monsters (m6, 3 wounds) can work. Fighting R&F just have to hope the enemy is willing to fight them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1321558.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1321558.page GMT Beastmen 2250 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1321578.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1321578.page GMT Beastmen 2250 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1322128.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1322128.page GMT Beastmen 2250
You simply have no staying power and no counter-assault power. Anything that can catch you will destroy you easily. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1322279.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1322279.page GMT Beastmen 2250
PS: I don't mean to assume anything 40kenthusiast. Correct me if I am wrong...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1323056.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1323056.page GMT Beastmen 2250 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1323623.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1323623.page GMT Beastmen 2250 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1323725.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1323725.page GMT Re:Beastmen 2250
A typical blitz has 3 Cav elements and a flying monster, sound right?

Enemy gets first turn, lurches forward, flying monster hits up a flank.

My turn, we try and burn down the flying monster, while getting the chars into position to flee successfully if he charges. Chariots/monsters were deployed to make sure he didn't just land right in our faces.

We also use harpy redirectors on 2 of the knight units, threat a countercharge with the Centigors/Razorgor chariots on the remaining one if it keeps coming. Jabber and Cygor position for counter work.

Most likely on my enemy's next turn they try and line up charges, get Harpies out of the way, shuffle chars, etc. My turn I counter shuffle, game continues in this way. Idea is that my magic/leadership fu is strong enough to mess with the enemy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1325387.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1325387.page GMT Re:Beastmen 2250
How many armies can field worthwhile block heavy infantry? How many of those armies have MV of 5 or greater? Heavy infantry works fine against people who bring standard infantry, or play normal "traditional" warhammer. Against enemies that don't want to see combat except on their own terms? Well they don't do very well.

Everybody should know how to beat theall/mostly hammer knight armies by now. There is plenty of sacrifice units and redirects in this list to absorb the worst of the shock. Its counter assault is more than sufficient. Or is 2 chariots, 2 monsters not enough? (it certainly is IMHO, as I have run 2 Cold one chariots and 2 hydras in a DE skirmish themed list)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1326160.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1326160.page GMT Beastmen 2250 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1328235.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1328235.page GMT Re:Beastmen 2250
notabot187 wrote:I really don't get why people are always freaking out about heavy infantry blocks and knight blitzes.

How many armies can field worthwhile block heavy infantry? How many of those armies have MV of 5 or greater? Heavy infantry works fine against people who bring standard infantry, or play normal "traditional" warhammer. Against enemies that don't want to see combat except on their own terms? Well they don't do very well.

Everybody should know how to beat theall/mostly hammer knight armies by now. There is plenty of sacrifice units and redirects in this list to absorb the worst of the shock. Its counter assault is more than sufficient. Or is 2 chariots, 2 monsters not enough? (it certainly is IMHO, as I have run 2 Cold one chariots and 2 hydras in a DE skirmish themed list)


Because people who play the game against smart players know you can't "avoid" blocks of infantry. It's very simple as an infantry block player to take the board from being a 4X6 to a 4X4, or a 4X3 if you're army is small enough. Simply by putting lines of trees in the middle of the table wide enough apart so your army can fit down it, and perpendicular to the board edge, you turn the table into a bowling alley, and effectively cut out routs of escape for the enemy.

This generally can always be done, as, except for very few armies, most players want a hill on either side of the table. should you get a chance to put out 3 terrain pieces, you simply put out a line of trees parrallel to the long table edge, on one side of the perpendicular trees, to completely cut off that table side from anything that can't move freely through trees.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1328349.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1328349.page GMT Re:Beastmen 2250
Angron wrote:
Because people who play the game against smart players know you can't "avoid" blocks of infantry. It's very simple as an infantry block player to take the board from being a 4X6 to a 4X4, or a 4X3 if you're army is small enough. Simply by putting lines of trees in the middle of the table wide enough apart so your army can fit down it, and perpendicular to the board edge, you turn the table into a bowling alley, and effectively cut out routs of escape for the enemy.

This generally can always be done, as, except for very few armies, most players want a hill on either side of the table. should you get a chance to put out 3 terrain pieces, you simply put out a line of trees parrallel to the long table edge, on one side of the perpendicular trees, to completely cut off that table side from anything that can't move freely through trees.

Terrainhammer?

*vomit*

Here's to terrain placement by an unbiased third party, please

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Why?

Guns. Lots of them. This list doesn't have strong, ranked infantry that can soak some fire. The monsters, sure, won't be afraid of Str. 4 bullets, but everything else will, and will get chewed up. Crossbowmen especially in good placement will nail those beasts to the ground. And chariots and monsters are exactly what cannon fire are for. Sustailed volleys will pin down the little guys with bad ld while war machines can focus on the monsters. As long as magic and tactics can give them enough time to kill Jaberslythes, they're good to go. I think that every army needs bodies, and this is an example.

Also, there are few of them, but there are units that, short of monsters, this list can't deal with. WhaMiotaut comes to mind are units that you can't break with hits. Chaos Knights, for example. You need bodies to kill them with res, or cannon them, or use certain lores. With their 1+ save, Traitorkin isn't enough, even giving them a -2 to their save. Also, Fear can really screw with low ld armies. Those charges won't be getting off half the time without the general nearby. And he should be inside a block of *gasp!* infantry to protect him and be a vehicle for his abilities, melee or magical. That's why I wouldn't take Malgor; his ld will be hovering somewhere off in the distance, instead of buffing his mans.

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Now that we've got that out of the way, I do like your inclusion of Slugtongue. I'm mad Bray Shamans can't take armor/MoN anymore, so my Nurgle Shaman runs as him from now on. I like his Reg. and his beginning effect: very nasty. Centigors are also one of my favorite units. They embody, to me, part o fthe heart of Beastmen, quirky rules that work surprisingly well and have fun backstory to go with it. I just wish they cam in plastic(I converted mine from Marauder Horsemen)...*sigh*
The Cygor and Jabberslythe are both good, particularly the former. Shooting is something the Beasts needed, and the anit-magic field they create will have every wizard secon-guessing himself. And, props for not doing a Minotaur Army! It's Beastmen, not Bullmen! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1342722.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278279/1342722.page GMT Beastmen 2250
He relies on being t5 and a one man skirmisher sort of fellow to avoid enemy incidental shooting, and has to land behind units to avoid heavy shooting. Tactic doesn't work if they have a cannon on a hill. Then he hangs by the Herdstone with the rest of the casters in the Ungor unit.

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