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Why is plasma one of the best weapons against Terminators? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1328040.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1328040.page GMT Re:Terminator Armor TDA because GW couldn't give TDA a 1+ save......

And Tactical Dreadnaught Armor is not the same as the exo-armor used to work in plasma cores.
Its a descendant of it, and maybe the need for weapons and better movement has lowered its resilience against plasma.

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And Tactical Dreadnaught Armor is not the same as the exo-armor used to work in plasma cores.
Its a descendant of it, and maybe the need for weapons and better movement has lowered its resilience against plasma


It specifically says "It is even said that Terminator armour can withstand the titanic energies at a plasma generator's core, and that this was in fact the armour's original purpose."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1328077.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1328077.page GMT Re:Terminator Armor Index astartes IV page 44 /Terminators would explain the order of creation those armor types went.

First, there was power armor and exo armor.
Then a program to invent a stronger type of armor was started and the terminator armor was its result.

So terminator armor is built having maximum protection in mind.
But maybe some neccessities like fighting in CC reduced its resilience a bit. Working in generator rooms or in space will not
lead to highly flexible and mobile suits when time isn't an issue, in HtH youre dead if you can't react.
IMO the perfect protection would make its wielder as mobile as a statue.....

TDA is a compromise of protection and mobility.
It seems there was no evolution of different variants of TDA and it is the same since the heresy.
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Or not... Shas'o Dorian probably has the best "realistic" melting of fluff and rules.

Vale,

JohnS]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1328953.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1328953.page GMT Re:Terminator Armor http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1329020.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1329020.page GMT Terminator Armor
cygnnus wrote:Perhaps because the description was written when a model in Termie armor needed a 5+ on 2d6 to save against plasma-class weapons?

Or not... Shas'o Dorian probably has the best "realistic" melting of fluff and rules.

Vale,

JohnS


Thanks I try sometimes its pretty hard to come up with a theoretical situation where it could happen but I give credit for this one to Dan Abnett for what happens on Herodor :
Spoiler:
Gaunt cuts open the armor plating on a chaos dreadnought with his powersword & Brostin and Feygor (i think) cook the water it falls in with their flamers, the boiling water rushes in the crack & kills the "pilot".
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Mewiththeface wrote:becuase fluff isn't a game.


+1


If things were as strong as their fluff suggest, Greater Daemons would have straight 10's for their statlines and your average Space Marines would all be as strong as some of the stronger named characters (if not stronger). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1329119.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1329119.page GMT Terminator Armor
Their descriptions are never perfect.

Kind of like how an Ork can be decapitated, and they can just sew it back on and he's fine. Why are Ork boys so easy to kill if the codex says that?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1329124.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1329124.page GMT Re:Terminator Armor http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1329366.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1329366.page GMT Re:Terminator Armor http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1329454.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1329454.page GMT Terminator Armor
A plasma rifle fires a bolt of high-powered energy.

It is the same forcepower, but you can disperse a plasma generators power.
Also, I'd agree with 1hadq. it would be different armour for a plasma generator.

it would be different terminator armour for plasma generators then for war.

In sense, terminator armour is excelelnent for repeling bullets plasma generator armour can withstand highfied plasma.

And, anyway you get a 1/3 chance of saving without an armour save. thats your ability of not dieing.

Anbd finally, GW don't give a shotsworth how good terminator armour is.

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Just because it can withstand the latent energies around a plasma generator does not mean it could withstand a direct plamsa blast

Well, from a physics point the answer is very simple.
It has to do with density, that is density of the plasma.

A weapon that shoots a plasma charge would tend to concentrate its density by powerful and very local magnetic fields whereas a gigantic plasma reactor would have a lesser density, being non weapons grade and all.

The temperature of the plasma is in fact totally irrelevant to the damage that it does, you could easily hold your hand inside a field of several million degrees hot plasma and not feel a thing if its density, the amount of ions per given volume, wasnt right as well.


If you really want to discuss whacked up GW 40K technologies then try he melta guns, that´s a nightmare.

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Pyriel- wrote:If you really want to discuss whacked up GW 40K technologies then try he melta guns, that´s a nightmare.


Jeez, don't encourage anyone...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1330062.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1330062.page GMT Re:Terminator Armor
Cheesepie wrote:Well if i remember correctly when a model is out of wounds it is out of the game. In the fluff was of saying it the ork or marine might not be dead but just to damaged to carry on. Say the ork lost his head, he might not be dead but just geting dragged to a emergency pain boy tent for surgery, And maybe the terminators are dead from the flames but the flames hit vital parts of the suit and shut down the extra strength part of the armor needed to move in the armor. A plasma shot might not have killed the terminator but really just stopped him from continuing.


I assumed the Apothecaries/Painboys fixed most of the "casualties" after a battle.



Also, I agree that plasma weapons are more concentrated, allowing it to penetrate the armor. A plasma generator would probably be more of AP 3 in gaming terms.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1330072.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1330072.page GMT Re:Terminator Armor I think that Crux protects them from one or several hits,after it the Terminator is vulnerable to a power weapon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1330130.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1330130.page GMT Re:Terminator Armor
So what about all the mundane terminator suits that dont have this alledged piece of metal in their cruxes?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1330211.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1330211.page GMT Re:Terminator Armor
Pyriel- wrote:
Just because it can withstand the latent energies around a plasma generator does not mean it could withstand a direct plamsa blast

Well, from a physics point the answer is very simple.
It has to do with density, that is density of the plasma.

A weapon that shoots a plasma charge would tend to concentrate its density by powerful and very local magnetic fields whereas a gigantic plasma reactor would have a lesser density, being non weapons grade and all.

The temperature of the plasma is in fact totally irrelevant to the damage that it does, you could easily hold your hand inside a field of several million degrees hot plasma and not feel a thing if its density, the amount of ions per given volume, wasnt right as well.


If you really want to discuss whacked up GW 40K technologies then try he melta guns, that´s a nightmare.



More to the point, isn't the glow from neon lights from plasma? I'm sure if a glass tube can handle plasma, then thick sheets of armor should be able to! And, yes, the whole melta gun idea has some repa lssies.

Vale,

JohnS]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1330225.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1330225.page GMT Terminator Armor
More to the point, isn't the glow from neon lights from plasma? I'm sure if a glass tube can handle plasma, then thick sheets of armor should be able to!


Yes, but it isn't that "extreme". Its like comparing a fire cracker to a frag grenade. Think of a plasma cutter used in industry. It can easily cut through inches of steel like butter.

A neon light is simply filled with argon gas, or whatever gas there may be. Its ionized, and its electrons break freak from the nucleus. In a plasma cutter, those gases are forced through a tiny hole. When the gas is forced through the hole, there is a negatively charged electrode at the end. This touches the metal it is cutting, creating a circuit. So think of a blow dart gun, compared to blowing down a commercial water pipe. Except the blow dart is traveling at 20k fps, and 30,000 F]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1330357.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1330357.page GMT Re:Terminator Armor
I think I have read this somewhere, and it would make sense to be honest.

Also, back on topic, fluff, is a , I mean, why can't an ork have a 6+ inv. save or something?

*Puts on over-dramatic voice* Damn you, Games Workshop! Why can't you be consistent?!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1344562.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1344562.page GMT Re:Terminator Armor
And the name TDA came from the fact that its armor platers were bigger and heavier than power armor, making it a giant bull-rushing tank like a dreadnought.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1344585.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1344585.page GMT Re:Terminator Armor CSM codex it states that TDA was designed for boarding operations aboard star ships. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1344725.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1344725.page GMT Terminator Armor ap 2 but also doesn't get hot. I always assumed imperial plasma was better than eldar plasma because our "military" plasma tech is using the logic that more damage is better so they can get hot or maybe we haven't perfected the tech. I assume the plasma generator maybe "old tech" plasma so it may be a more stable plasma like eldar plasma and thus less threatning to Termies.
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Anyways. The idea it can survive in a Plasma Generator is understandable. I mean, NOTHING can surive an emersion in straight plasma, though the heat offset from the plasma generator, even inside but not at the core where the Plasma is located, can be handled by something like Terminator armor. But they aren't gonna stick their fingers in plasma. Not even a Dark Angel is that stupid. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1345035.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1345035.page GMT Re:Terminator Armor TDA has many stylistic variations; from one milennia to the next, between chapters, from the Heresy to Current era, etc. I seem to remember that older fluff placed the origin of TDA as mining armor for deep space mining operations. The Melta and Rhino had similar origins. Although, this sort of thing is intentional; the Imperium has repurposed many things and the population doesn't know the origins. So it makes it more believable if we, the players/readers can't be certain either. Half the draw of the 40k setting is the ambiguity.

Plasma kills TDA because something has to counter it. Otherwise you have to depend on Melta, Las, and withering hail of fire (make 'em roll da dice boyz) to stop them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1349595.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1349595.page GMT Re:Terminator Armor
Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:Terminator Armor was used first for warriors to fit in tighter areas where escape for the enemy would be cancelled out. Power Armored brothers would leave gaps, so Terminator Armor was basically a giant blockade.

And the name TDA came from the fact that its armor platers were bigger and heavier than power armor, making it a giant bull-rushing tank like a dreadnought.


Yes. It was easier to design a wider version of power armour than a wall.

So much fluff is such nonsense, isn't it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1349608.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1349608.page GMT Re:Terminator Armor http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1353057.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1353057.page GMT Re:Terminator Armor
jw7007 wrote:What purpose does teleportation technology serve a guy in a plasma reactor.


I'm quite sure the reactors work better if they are sealed vessels, rather than having some sort of door.

Pyriel- wrote:So what about all the mundane terminator suits that dont have this alledged piece of metal in their cruxes?


There is only so much emprah's holy armour to go around, think about all the TDA suits that have been made, currently in use, and will have to be made, thats a lot of fragments.

Darth Bob wrote:Greater Daemons would have straight 10's for their statlines


In 2nd ed this almost did have that

IvanTih wrote:What about resistance to flame weapons


Seems a bit stupid, but the solution to flexibility was plastic hoses on the joints, and less-than-heat-resistant seals on things, also the bloody big vents on the back have to let a lot of stuff in if you jam a flamer nozzle into it!
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More to the point, isn't the glow from neon lights from plasma? I'm sure if a glass tube can handle plasma, then thick sheets of armor should be able to! And, yes, the whole melta gun idea has some repa lssies.

Its basically the exact same thing.
The neon light plasma is not as excited/energised and is not as dense. Again, density is everything. A neon light plasma would for instance be like putting a naked hand into zero degree cold air whereas the weapon lpasma would be like putting your hand into zero degrees (the same) water.

Now ask yourself, in what medium of the same temperature will your hand feel the most discomfort, zero degree air or zero degree water?
They are both equally cold and have the same temperature but you cant keep your hand in zero degree water for hours while doing it in air wouldnt bother you at all.
Its because water has a higher density then air.

NOTHING can surive an emersion in straight plasma, though the heat offset from the plasma generator, even inside but not at the core where the Plasma is located, can be handled by something like Terminator armor. But they aren't gonna stick their fingers in plasma. Not even a Dark Angel is that stupid.

Dont mix in real science and physics with some bad startrek movie.
Being immersed in plasma doesnt have to mean anything, there is plasma in space that is millions of degrees hot but barely registers on temperature measuring instruments.

Your average lighting ball that draws bright sparks to where you touch it for example, you could put a fly in one and all it would die of is oxygen starvation.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1355332.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1355332.page GMT Re:Terminator Armor
Plasma weaponry would be even hotter, more focused, and arguably a lot less stable since it doesn't need the reliability over years. Everything has a breaking point.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1363246.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1363246.page GMT Terminator Armor GW's feth story telling.


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I always just said to myself that it was because they changed the material it was made of especially for combat. But it's just GW's feth story telling.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1366545.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1366545.page GMT Terminator Armor
InfernalMajesty wrote:

It specifically says "It is even said that Terminator armour can withstand the titanic energies at a plasma generator's core, and that this was in fact the armour's original purpose."

Exactly. It is said, not it can. The design may have once been able to withstand a plasma core, but after around fifteen thousand years, stuff just dont work as well as it did.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1368529.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278790/1368529.page GMT