<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? MCs?! Being a CSM general I thought of the Slaanesh Daemon Weapon that auto kills anything. Now I know that alot of people don't consider the Chaos Lord a viable option, esp with the power of DPs or Sorcs, but is this ability too powerful to be ignored?

The way I pictured my army was to take a Slaanesh Lord on bike with Daemon Weapon with a squad of Raptors with 2 Flamers. The lord can keep up with the Raptors and then when the opportunity arises he can detach from the unit and go solo against one of these guys. The flamers help clear out whatever guants are probably screening the MC, opening up a lane for the lord to assault through. SO what are your opinions? Not just this set up, but about the Slaanesh Loard w/ DW? Would it work, or is it just a waste?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1330582.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1330582.page GMT Re:Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
It worked wonders.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1330586.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1330586.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1330591.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1330591.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1330604.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1330604.page GMT Re:Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? built to do. A Sorcerer can be geared for any task and still perform the same role in a pinch. I'd rather spend the same 165 points on a Las Pred.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1330612.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1330612.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? 3D6 to use their force weapon, reguardless of Warptime. Just think of all the multiple wound models that a Tyranid army can feild? And with one blow you can wipe out 90-250 pts off the board. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1331366.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1331366.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1331371.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1331371.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1331429.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1331429.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1331454.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1331454.page GMT Re:Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? MoT and a bike is more expensive. than the lord, don't have my dex in front of me tho.

Could always give the lord wings to help cut costs a little, yea you lose the extra toughness, but your still mobile enough to do the job you intended. My personal opinion is yea, it'd be useful to have against 'Nids. Can't be relied on to strike fear in your opponents heart, but would be great to see his face when his trygon folds like an old wallet in the first round of combat. The Slanneshi Lord wouldn't be good in a take all comers environment...but you could kit out the Tzeentch sorc to be more beastly and have this extra utility in your bag of tricks when you do face tyranids. Although the Sorc is more expensive with two powers, he could have more of a role then just "monster slayer". Plus with his 4 up invuln if he does have to take on a guy with lash whips, he has more of a chance to deliver his strikes. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1331530.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1331530.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?

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abaddon's pretty good at killing bugs... or anything else for that matter. the swarm lord might stand up to him, but thats it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1331532.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1331532.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? MCs out. However, esp after playing against Eldar for awhile, taking a psychic test on 3D6 to insta kill isn't going to help. If this coice, ie the Slaan Lord, then what would be better at taking these thing out?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1331557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1331557.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
if you're looking for a build that can take on anyone but will work well against bugs specifically i'd consider 2 sorcerers with lash, 2 havocs with lascannons, and the rest noise marines with sonic weapons. this is a solid build ive tried many times. it's not A grade competitive but it can certainly hold its own, and will absolutely hose bugs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1331563.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1331563.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
Today I played in a local tournament.

There were several Chaos and Nid players, including this exact matchup, and one all-Slaanesh Chaos player did have a Lord with a Blissgiver.

He charged into combat with a TMC, rolled a one, and got messily devoured.

Color me thoroughly unimpressed with the unit's performance.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1331583.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1331583.page GMT Re:Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? ID, he has a whopping S4 meaning most of the units that you really want to OHKO you'll need a 6. Seems made of fail to me. If you want to murder MCs in droves you do have Abbadon in the book. He also strikes at I6 hits on 3s against everything but a Tyrant and wounds on 2's with re-rolls. Against Warriors or raveners he even does ID.

For some reason people see ID on a model with crappy S (Al'Rahem) and think it's good against MCs. If you can wound them it'll work out, but that's a pretty big "if" when you need 6's

Also, Typhus is a pretty solid MC killer as long as it can't ID him back. He strikes at I5, always wounds on 4's and can use his force weapon any turn. He could turn a Trygon inside out pretty easily.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332105.page GMT Re:Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
Mastershake wrote:While he does inflict ID, he has a whopping S4 meaning most of the units that you really want to OHKO you'll need a 6. Seems made of fail to me. If you want to murder MCs in droves you do have Abbadon in the book. He also strikes at I6 hits on 3s against everything but a Tyrant and wounds on 2's with re-rolls. Against Warriors or raveners he even does ID.

For some reason people see ID on a model with crappy S (Al'Rahem) and think it's good against MCs. If you can wound them it'll work out, but that's a pretty big "if" when you need 6's

Also, Typhus is a pretty solid MC killer as long as it can't ID him back. He strikes at I5, always wounds on 4's and can use his force weapon any turn. He could turn a Trygon inside out pretty easily.


As alluded to above, the blissgiver has a specific target. It DESTROYS large numbers of troops and elites. That is what it is does and it does it well. Is it a silver bullet for everything? No. But it definitely has a place in some CSM lists.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332173.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332173.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? MANz, but even then we're talking about significantly less than one ID result per combat phase. He's much more efficient against Tyranid MC armies [than against other armies, which still isn't very] simply because of the large volume of multiple wound T6 models on the table, but when looking only at his offensive power, he's not that much more killy than Al'Rahem, and in general about even with Sicarius or Khan.

If Bliss Lord was a truly attractive meta-counter, I think by extension you'd also see more people talking about the three aforementioned models. The deafening silence tells me that while the Bliss Lord may now be a better option against this one matchup, he's still not a remarkably good option.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332214.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332214.page GMT Re:Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
1/6 of the time, the Chaos Lord trips over his own feet and falls on his sword. Oops!

The rest of the time, he gets an average of 4 extra attacks, for a total of 8 (assuming he charges).

8 attacks against a TMC = 5.33 hits, = 0.89 wounds. In other words, decent odds to insta-gib a creature, but not nearly ideal.

Against Nobz, 8 attacks = 5.33 hits = 2.67 wounds, = 2 Nobz dead. Of course, the rest then tear him into tiny little bits, exchanging a 160 point HQ unit for two 35-point Nobz. That wasn't very effective.

Against Warriors, more or less the same thing. He kills a couple, the rest shred him.

It seems to me that a Blissgiver Lord ought to be trying to snipe enemy ICs. Attach him to a Raptor squad or some other fast option, get him into base contact with, say, a Librarian, and with I6 and an average of 8 attacks he goes first and puts the other guy down before he can do anything. He can murder Warbosses, Space Marine ICs, plenty of things quite effectively.

However, against a TMC I'd rather take a Nurgle Lord with a Plaguebringer. Wounding on a 4+ you'll put two or three wounds on them every round, which will drop them fairly quickly.


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Nurglitch wrote:So, question, why are people assuming that the Slaaneshi Lord is going to be alone? Don't Independent Characters have the advantage of joining units?


Yes but in combat against a TMC, they can still just allocate all their attacks to the IC and insta-death them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332360.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332360.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
Regwon wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:So, question, why are people assuming that the Slaaneshi Lord is going to be alone? Don't Independent Characters have the advantage of joining units?


Yes but in combat against a TMC, they can still just allocate all their attacks to the IC and insta-death them.



Ok, but attaching him to a unit brings up other problems depending on what. First off, as has been mentioned, he can still be picked out. Second, most troops will have a terrible time against a TMC: that's the whole point of this thread! Third, you may have morale issues.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332551.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332551.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
Sure, if the Monsterous Creature has S8+, which what, all of one does? Tyrants and Warriors can have Boneswords, but then they're as expensive as all get-out. Chances are that the Slaaneshi Lord will kill the Monstrous Creature before it can attack, and his unit will have shot it up prior to the assault just in case.

BeRzErKeR:

Joining Possessed, or Noise Marines will cause no problems with morale. Indeed, these units are Fearless. Troops like Noise Marines have considerable firepower, and Thousand Suns may be able to kill the creature before the charge can be executed. Plague Marines, well, are pretty useless in these situations (vs I4+ Power Weapon charging situations), but Berzerkers probably won't need the Slaaneshi Lord's help.

Take a Carnifex, for example. If charged it will have I1. If it charges, with Adrenal Glands, it will have I4. In both cases the Slaaneshi Lord is more likely than not to kill it before its Instant Death can affect him. An excellent counter-charge unit for a unit of Berzerkers, often so vulnerable to a charge. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332573.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332573.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? ID or is Toughness 8(Sorry C'Tan and Wraithlords!).

If I played Chaos I'd field one without hesitation.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332594.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332594.page GMT Re:Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? TMC; of course, 1 is enough, and you do have a better chance of getting one than none. Still, I'd rather have a Nurgle Lord with Plaguebringer; it seems more effective in more situations.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332620.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332620.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? MCs.

But the Slaanesh lord is nothing to sneeze at either.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332690.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332690.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? MC (0.87 *5/6), which is pretty good. The lord is almost guaranteed to die horribly right after if they are by themselves, but then again the other guy will be falling over himslef trying to keep his expensive stuff away. Also, the main advantage of the Chaos Lord is you can stick him on a bike or give him wings. Abbadon or any other special character can be avoided much more easily.

Your slanesh guy, however sounds vulnerable to being tar-pitted. Won't help much with MC, but I like a MoK lord with wings in a rhino with some zerkers to back him up. Not the most competitive character but no-one knows if he spaz out or not, which makes him scary.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332693.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332693.page GMT Re:Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? MC. Of course there is the alternative of putting the MCs in question on the Lash treadmill.

Warriors and Raveners is really the only place Blissgiver excels and Abaddon can murder them far more effectively.

There's nothing keeping abbadon from tooling around in a raider with a berzerker unit.

If you want a fighty character in chaos- Abbadon
If you want something else- Lash Prince or Lash Sorcerer
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Monster Rain wrote:I guess Typhus is probably the best answer for Chaos Lords that can beat down MCs.


Sadly, the Herald lacks one critical component needed in monster combat: Eternal Warrior. In worst case scenario Typhus is one 5+ Invulnerable Save away from going back to Papa Nurgle to explain his latest exploit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332741.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332741.page GMT Re:Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? MC on the charge, and about 33% chance to accomplish nothing. Then you have to factor in the chance of rolling a 1 for the Daemon Weapon attacks, which screws you utterly. All in all, I don't think a Blissgiver Lord has better than an even chance of putting a wound on a TMC, and if he doesn't he'll most likely get gibbed. In short, aiming for TMCs with a Blissgiver Lord is a risky option.

What about dual-LC Termie Champions with an Icon of Slaanesh? 50 points each, so say 5 against a TMC (That's also one Land Raider-full, which is a nice coincidence). That's 25 attacks, 16.7 hits, 2.7+2.3=5 wounds, average. Just a little luck will boost it to 6 or 7. That's pretty decent, and since you have 5 models the TMC can't massacre them all. So you'll almost certainly win combat and either sweep or force a few No Retreat wounds, which will quite likely kill the TMC off.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332749.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332749.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? ID to boot.

But you're right, if a S8 wound gets through his armor he's pretty boned.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332754.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332754.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
So sad...

Anyhoo, it might be something to consider that a Blissgiver is more likely to kill a Monstrous Creature than any other Daemon Weapon, and considerably cheaper and more mobile than Abbadon. Giving the Lord a pair of Wings, or better still a Jump Pack, and he can go over screening units. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332756.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332756.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
Monster Rain wrote:Not many of those monsters are S8+ though. And Carnifexes have pretty low Initiative so Typhus would be striking first with God Knows How Many Attacks that wound on a 4+ and cause ID to boot.

But you're right, if a S8 wound gets through his armor he's pretty boned.


Its not just the S8+ that are a pain. Remember that Monstrous Creatures ignore armour saves ( and thus FNP ) which leaves Typhus with just the 5+ Invulnerable again.

Don´t get me wrong. I love the model and he is the central character of my Death Guard force. But its really important not to get blinded by all the abilities he has ( T4(5), FNP, Poisoned Daemon Weapon etc. ) and start to believe he is invincible. The classical punishment for hubris is to roll an inconvenient "1" for the the Daemon weapon.

PS. Oh, and the ID attempts against TMC;s most likely would be under the effect of Shadow in the Warp. 3d6 is...irritating.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332804.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332804.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
A-P wrote:
Monster Rain wrote:Not many of those monsters are S8+ though. And Carnifexes have pretty low Initiative so Typhus would be striking first with God Knows How Many Attacks that wound on a 4+ and cause ID to boot.

But you're right, if a S8 wound gets through his armor he's pretty boned.


Its not just the S8+ that are a pain. Remember that Monstrous Creatures ignore armour saves ( and thus FNP ) which leaves Typhus with just the 5+ Invulnerable again.

Don´t get me wrong. I love the model and he is the central character of my Death Guard force. But its really important not to get blinded by all the abilities he has ( T4(5), FNP, Poisoned Daemon Weapon etc. ) and start to believe he is invincible. The classical punishment for hubris is to roll an inconvenient "1" for the the Daemon weapon.

PS. Oh, and the ID attempts against TMC;s most likely would be under the effect of Shadow in the Warp. 3d6 is...irritating.


Even so, wouldn't you think that of all the Chaos Lords(with the possible exception of Abaddon) don't you think he's got the best chance? Wounding on a 4+ and the Force Weapon and all? He can take a few wounds before he goes down and he's T5 so the S6 Monsters might not drop him...

I don't get too excited about Typhus in all circumstances though. Whenever I face him I make sure that he catches a Thunder Hammer or two to the face and that's the end of his night.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332816.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332816.page GMT Re:Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
PS. Oh, and the ID attempts against TMC;s most likely would be under the effect of Shadow in the Warp. 3d6 is...irritating.


Ah, but doesn't Typhus bypass the Shadow In the Warp with his neat little rule that ignores psychic checks?

EDIT: My bad, just checked the codex and it only specifies that he doesn't take psychic checks for his two actual powers... Bummer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332845.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332845.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
I think that only works for Wind of Chaos and Nurgle's Rot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332851.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332851.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
Even so, wouldn't you think that of all the Chaos Lords(with the possible exception of Abaddon) don't you think he's got the best chance? Wounding on a 4+ and the Force Weapon and all? He can take a few wounds before he goes down and he's T5 so the S6 Monsters might not drop him...


Well, preferably I would NOT send my Lord against TMC;s and just shoot the buggers. But if it must done then yes. Abaddon would be the first choice ( EW and better Invulnerable save ), followed by Typhus.

I don't get too excited about Typhus in all circumstances though. Whenever I face him I make sure that he catches a Thunder Hammer or two to the face and that's the end of his night.


Funny how my experiences match yours...from the opposite side of the front line. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332855.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332855.page GMT Re:Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
Rolling for his Daemon Weapon
1. 2/3 of the time he takes a wound (Iv5+)
2. 6 attacks, 4 hits, 1 wound, Instant Death
3. 7 attacks, 5 hits, 1 wound, Instant Death
4. 8 attacks, 5 hits, 1 wound, Instant Death
5. 9 attacks, 6 hits, 1 wound, Instant Death
6. 10 attacks, 7 hits, 1 wound, Instant Death

[Note: If these numbers look weird, it's because there are no fractions in Warhammer, just integers, so any fractions are rounded up or down.]

A unit of five Chaos Terminator Champions with pairs of Lightening Claws and in Icon of Slaanesh would be 265, not Fearless, less mobile, and prone to having their Icon of Slaanesh removed at inconvenient times.

20 attacks, 13 hits, 4 wounds

An unmarked Chaos Lord

Rolling for his Daemon Weapon
1. 2/3 of the time he takes a wound (Iv5+)
2. 6 attacks, 4 hits, 1 wound
3. 7 attacks, 5 hits, 2 wounds
4. 8 attacks, 5 hits, 2 wounds
5. 9 attacks, 6 hits, 2 wounds
6. 10 attacks, 7 hits, 2 wounds

A Chaos Lord with the Mark of Nurgle
1. 2/3 of the time he takes a wound (Iv5+)
2. 6 attacks, 4 hits, 2 wounds
3. 7 attacks, 5 hits, 3 wounds
4. 8 attacks, 5 hits, 3 wounds
5. 9 attacks, 6 hits, 3 wounds
6. 10 attacks, 7 hits, 4 wounds

A Chaos Lord with the Mark of Tzeentch
Shooting
1. 1/2 of the time he takes a wound (Iv4+)
2. 2 attacks, 2 hits, 0 wounds
3. 3 attacks, 3 hits, 1 wound
4. 4 attacks, 3 hits, 1 wound
5. 5 attacks, 4 hits, 1 wound
6. 6 attacks, 5 hits, 1 wound

And

Close Combat
1. 1/2 of the time he takes a wound (Iv4+)
2. 6 attacks, 4 hits, 1 wound
3. 7 attacks, 5 hits, 1 wound
4. 8 attacks, 5 hits, 1 wound
5. 9 attacks, 6 hits, 1 wound
6. 10 attacks, 7 hits, 1 wound

Supposing the Lord is mounted on a Disc of Tzeentch:
1. 1/2 of the time he takes a wound (Iv4+)
2. 7 attacks, 5 hits, 1 wound
3. 8 attacks, 5 hits, 1 wound
4. 9 attacks, 6 hits, 1 wound
5. 10 attacks, 7 hits, 1 wound
6. 11 attacks, 7 hits, 1 wound


A Chaos Lord with the Mark of Khorne
[1, 1][1, 1]. 1/3 of the time he takes a wound (Iv5+) 3%
[1, 2][2, 1]. 1/3 of the time he takes a wound (Iv5+) 6%
[1, 3][3, 1]. 1/3 of the time he takes a wound (Iv5+) 6%
[1, 4][4, 1]. 1/3 of the time he takes a wound (Iv5+) 6%
[1, 5][5, 1]. 1/3 of the time he takes a wound (Iv5+) 6%
[1, 6][6, 1]. 1/3 of the time he takes a wound (Iv5+) 6%
[2, 2][2, 2]."4". 9 attacks, 6 hits, 1 wound 3%
[2, 3][3, 2]."5". 10 attacks, 7 hits, 1 wound 6%
[2, 4][4, 2]."6". 11 attacks, 7 hits, 1 wound 6%
[2, 5][5, 2]."7". 12 attacks, 8 hits, 1 wound 6%
[2, 6][6, 2]."8". 13 attacks, 9 hits, 2 wounds 6%
[3, 3][3, 3]."6" 11 attacks, 7 hits, 1 wound 3%
[3, 4][4, 3]."7". 12 attacks, 8 hits, 1 wound 6%
[3, 5][5, 3]."8". 13 attacks, 9 hits, 2 wounds 6%
[3, 6][6, 3],"9". 14 attacks, 9 hits, 2 wounds 6%
[4, 4][4, 4],"8". 13 attacks, 9 hits, 2 wounds 3%
[4, 5][5, 4],"9". 14 attacks, 9 hits, 2 wounds 6%
[4, 6][6, 4],"10". 15 attacks, 10 hits, 2 wounds 6%
[5, 5][5, 5],"10". 15 attacks, 10 hits, 2 wounds 3%
[5, 6][6, 5],"11". 16 attacks, 11 hits, 2 wounds 6%
[6, 6][6, 6],"12". 17 attacks, 11 hits, 2 wounds 3%

Yeah, the percentages are rounded up too. But there's around 2/3 chance of hurting himself, and 4/6 chance of ~1-2 wounds on the Carnifex/Trygon/Tervigon.

The Plaguebringer and the Blissgiver are clearly the winners on reliability, while the Deathscreamer rivals the Bloodfeeder for potentiality, but beats the heck out of it on reliability and user-safety. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332868.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332868.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
A-P wrote:
I don't get too excited about Typhus in all circumstances though. Whenever I face him I make sure that he catches a Thunder Hammer or two to the face and that's the end of his night.


Funny how my experiences match yours...from the opposite side of the front line.


Not to get into too much of an OT tactica session, but generally the first guy to get his Death Star unit out of the Land Raider tends to lose.

Don't be that guy!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332888.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332888.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
Monster Rain wrote:
Not to get into too much of an OT tactica session, but generally the first guy to get his Death Star unit out of the Land Raider tends to lose.

Don't be that guy!


I don´t run a Death Star with my Death Guard. Typhus is the leader because he is the only true Death Guard commander available. I don´t count Lords/units with pseudo-"marks" or rags as true "Death Guard".

But your right. Enough of the Nurgle OT and let us exit the stage and leave it for the supporters of Slaanesh, our Pustulent Patrons sister/brother.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332929.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332929.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? MC, take a Daemon Prince. Those are nice and killy.

Or lascannons.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332947.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332947.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
ZacktheChaosChild wrote:Or lascannons.


The best answer, really. Rockets and Lascannons and Plasmas and Meltas.

Don't get into CC if you can help it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332953.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1332953.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? TMC. But plasmas suffer somewhat from the same downfall of a Daemon Weapon. And for both Meltas and Plasma Guns you need to get within 12". I'm not saying that a Slaanesh lord w. Blissgiver is the only way to kill TMCs but may be a handy tool to use as a backup.

BTW thank you everyone who has posted here, this is why I love this forum!!! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1333876.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1333876.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
Billie_Joe wrote:Yes, any of those weapons will really help kill a TMC. But plasmas suffer somewhat from the same downfall of a Daemon Weapon. And for both Meltas and Plasma Guns you need to get within 12". I'm not saying that a Slaanesh lord w. Blissgiver is the only way to kill TMCs but may be a handy tool to use as a backup.


As backup it's a good idea.

I think the consensus was just don't run Mr. Slaanesh out and try to Solo a Trygon without support!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1334235.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1334235.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? MC hunter.

Also @ Nurglitch
Why would you prefer a jetpack over wings? You can still DS with the wings and can still use transports. Am I missing something? Also, I don't have a book here, but I thought you have reroll a passed invul save with perils? I seem to remember saving zoanthropes on a double six a while back.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1334623.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1334623.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1334947.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1334947.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
Immunity to Jaws of the World Wolf, dollar cost of getting a hold of the Possessed Wings bit. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1334985.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1334985.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
I suppose the possessed backpack is a bit generic as well.

Still think it's better though (because I have one).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1335696.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1335696.page GMT Re:Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? JotWW? Models in a transport, which is what you can do with wings. Fitting inside a rhino will help you out alot more than the ability to dodge a single army's psychic power.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1335701.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1335701.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1335830.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1335830.page GMT Re:Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1335841.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1335841.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? CC units. All you have to do to get away from them is be 14.99 inches away at the start of their movement phase.

With wings, or with my favorite the Land Raider, you're much more in control of your Assaulting Destiny.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1335901.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1335901.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1335926.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1335926.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
Also, any self-respecting chaos player should stump up £12 for the possessed box just for the excellent bitz.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1335957.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1335957.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1337634.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1337634.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
Same can be said about Kharn, Abaddon, and Typhus.

If you're going to bring a Land Raider for the sole purpose of transporting a killy HQ, any of the above will out-perform an upgraded Lord against MCs in most situations because of having many/more of the same strengths as well as a better ability to wound.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1338003.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1338003.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
The Berzerkers would not ignore the Termagant's Feel No Pain, like a Chaos Lord with a Blissgiver would, had that Chaos Lord gone through the Termagants rather than over them.

Perhaps you could try to Tank Shock your way through the Termagants, but then that would mean closing your Land Raider with the Tyranid anti-tank weapons (the Monstrous Creatures).

Better to jump over the screening troops with a unit that can defeat the synergies of the target units rather than relying on sheer power (which the Berzerkers have plenty of). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1338193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1338193.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? 3d6 per Tervigon per turn. If a competent Tyranid player wants to keep you from getting his MCs unless you kill a bunch of little bugs, then you are definitely stuck killing a bunch of little bugs.

You jump over the screen of bugs. And get stuck staring at the second screen of bugs. If the argument is jump pack versus transports, a good Nid player/list should be quite capable of shooting Lord+Raptors to pieces. And if the argument is Killy HQ versus Bliss Lord, the Chaos dex has many, many HQ options that are far more offensively potent than a tricked out Slaanesh Lord.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1338967.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1338967.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
sourclams wrote:Uh, a Bliss Lord with wings/jump pack is no better at getting through a screen. It takes about 7 small bases to completely encircle a 60mm base, which is stupidly easy to come by in an army that spawns 3d6 per Tervigon per turn. If a competent Tyranid player wants to keep you from getting his MCs unless you kill a bunch of little bugs, then you are definitely stuck killing a bunch of little bugs.


You have a point... about Tervigons.

Trygons and Hive Tyrants and their ilk tend to be a little less defensively placed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1339877.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1339877.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable?
sourclams wrote:Uh, a Bliss Lord with wings/jump pack is no better at getting through a screen. It takes about 7 small bases to completely encircle a 60mm base, which is stupidly easy to come by in an army that spawns 3d6 per Tervigon per turn. If a competent Tyranid player wants to keep you from getting his MCs unless you kill a bunch of little bugs, then you are definitely stuck killing a bunch of little bugs.


Like I said in my OP, load up on 2 flamers in a Raptor unit to help clear the way, or just lash them out of the way, either way works, or even better lash them together and then flame them.

sourclams wrote:You jump over the screen of bugs. And get stuck staring at the second screen of bugs. If the argument is jump pack versus transports, a good Nid player/list should be quite capable of shooting Lord+Raptors to pieces. And if the argument is Killy HQ versus Bliss Lord, the Chaos dex has many, many HQ options that are far more offensively potent than a tricked out Slaanesh Lord.


Then in your opinion what would those choices be?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1340218.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1340218.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1342077.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1342077.page GMT Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? DP could. Of these two, only the lord inflicts instant death.

Obviously the DP is also monstrous etc and is going to better in many situations. Doesn't make the Lord bad or non-viable.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1343602.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1343602.page GMT Re:Is the Slaanesh Lord Viable? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1344227.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/278972/1344227.page GMT