willydstyle wrote:What's with IFs and vindicators? Almost every IF army has three vindis in it, and I don't recall anywhere in the fluff that they have some special connection to that tank.

minigun762 wrote:

willydstyle wrote:What's with IFs and vindicators? Almost every IF army has three vindis in it, and I don't recall anywhere in the fluff that they have some special connection to that tank.

I'm sure its the siege thing and the Vindicator has alwayw been tied to the Iron Warriors and for the most part anything IW can be flipped over to be IF as well.

I'm surprised that everyone talks about how bad the accuracy is. The numbers were ran in another thread and with the new -scatter based on BS, the overall accuracy ends up to be roughly the same. The big difference between direct fire and ordnance is that a missed direct fire = nothing whereas a missed ordnance has a chance of still hurting something on the board.

willydstyle wrote:That "lascannon" has about a 65% chance to hit (counting favorable scatters) has about a 30% chance to pen, and a 50% chance to do meaningful damage (immobilized or blow'd up) So you're looking at about a 10% chance to do meaningful damage to a land raider.

Irdiumstern wrote:Personally, I prefer the Basilisk. Slightly cheaper, indirect fire, and that extra point of strength might actually help against AV 14.
To me, the shorter the range, the more armor I want on my tanks. That's why I run demolishers instead of Medusas. When my range is Ridiculous either way, I'll take the way that can get AVBrickwall.

Deadshane1 wrote:

willydstyle wrote:That "lascannon" has about a 65% chance to hit (counting favorable scatters) has about a 30% chance to pen, and a 50% chance to do meaningful damage (immobilized or blow'd up) So you're looking at about a 10% chance to do meaningful damage to a land raider.

Well, since the tank is first and foremost an anti-infantry vehicle, I'd say that mathhammering there is largely irrelevant to the value of the tank in the first place.

Just the fact that it CAN engage a Land Raider is sort of a bonus anyway.

sourclams wrote:Executioner with plas sponsons is my workhorse. In a single 3-game tourney it racked up a body count in the mid-70s against Space Wolves, Dark Eldar, and Orks.

sourclams wrote:Often I leave it (and my entire army) in reserve.

Similarly, mystics are always in my list as are chimera-borne melta units. Any dread or termicide-esque unit that wishes to pop down for a juicy kill has to run a gauntlet of plasma or melta fire.

lordrevege wrote:
I find demolisher cannons to be much more killy. They have no problem cracking open enemy tanks and will scythe through any armor.

lordrevege wrote:My vindicator w/ dem possesion could nerf your defiler.

I find demolisher cannons to be much more killy. They have no problem cracking open enemy tanks and will scythe through any armor.

sourclams wrote:Executioner with plas sponsons is my workhorse. In a single 3-game tourney it racked up a body count in the mid-70s against Space Wolves, Dark Eldar, and Orks.

If your opponent makes even one mistake in positioning, the Executioner allows you to capitalize on it. By the end of the day, as mental fatigue sets in, your opponents often aren't on-top-of-their-game enough to not make those few critical mistakes.

And if my opponent wants to attempt to out-shoot me from the "safety" of cover, I'm more than content to let him do so. There is no competitive MEQ foot list capable of putting out enough shots to stop competitive mech IG.