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Leman Russ Eradicator
Collosus
Barrage Weapons in general.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352409.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352409.page GMT Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352552.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352552.page GMT Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352579.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352579.page GMT Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. BS]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352611.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352611.page GMT Re:Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352612.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352612.page GMT Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. SM, Sternguard are always a good choice. Take two combat squads in a drop pod and you get a nice balance between negated cover saves and high wounding power.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352614.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352614.page GMT Re:Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352623.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352623.page GMT Re:Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352624.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352624.page GMT Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352715.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352715.page GMT Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352724.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352724.page GMT Re:Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed.
Dey can't ide like da ittle runts dey is wen yur dat close]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352743.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1352743.page GMT Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1353284.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1353284.page GMT Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. DE have Destructors on Haemonculi and assaults.

Though in a more tactical answer we also have Horror/Terrorfexes and simply flying away from the terrain and saying 'neener-neener, you're really slow']]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1353635.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1353635.page GMT Re:Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. SM: Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Combi-Flamers, Whirlwind (Incendary), Thunderfire (Airburst), Flamestorm Cannons, Sterngaurd Bolters (Dragonfire), Gauntlet of the Forge, The Avenger
-In CC, all models ignore cover except Dreadnoughts without Ironclad Launchers.

CSM:Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Combi-Flamers, Tyrant's Claw, Wind of Chaos, Doom Siren
-In CC, all models ignore cover except Dreadnoughts, Defilers, Oblitorators, Spawn, Lesser Daemons, Greater Daemons and Daemon Princes.

IG:Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Inferno Cannon, Chem Cannon, Eradicator Nova Cannon,
Barrage Weapons (Mortar, Earthshaker Cannon, Deathstrike Missile, Storm Eagle Rocket, Colossus Seige Mortar, Griffon Heavy Mortar) ignore nearly all cover.
-In CC, all models ignore cover except Scout Sentinels, Armoured Sentinels, Psyker Battle Squads and Ratlings

Tau: Flamer, Airbursting Fragmention Projector
Smart Missile Systems and Seeker Missiles ignore LoS blocking cover
Marker Lights can be used to strip cover
-In CC, all units suffer from cover

Necrons: None
-In CC, all units suffer from cover

Eldar:Flamer, Dragon's Breath Flamer, Destructor, Exarch with Crack Shot
Barrage Weapons (Shadow Weaver, D-Cannon, Tempest Launcher) ignore nearly all cover.
-In CC, Harlequins, Striking Scorpions, Prince Yriel, Autarch and Swooping Hawks ignore cover

Dark Eldar: Destructor
Horrorfex and Terrorfex ignore cover, as they do not inflict damage
-In CC, Haemonculi, Archon, Dracon, Wych Dracite, Wych Arconite, Wyches can be made to ignore cover

Witch Hunters: Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Combi-Flamer, Brazier of Holy Fire, Hand Flamers, Ardent Blade, Storm Bolter (Blessed Ammunition), Heavy Bolter (Blessed Ammunition), Neural Shredder
Spy Mask decreases cover by 1
Divine Pronuncement, Psyk-Out Grenades and Psyk-Out Warheads ignores cover, as they do not inflict damage
In CC, any unit except Arco-Flagellents, Temple Assassins, Death Cult Assassins, Sister Repentia and Penitent Engine can be made to ignore cover




I'll do some more later.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1354900.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1354900.page GMT Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. For Tau: don't forget seeker missles. But you beat me to the AFP.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1355514.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1355514.page GMT Re:Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed.
Black Antelope wrote:SM: Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Combi-Flamers, Whirlwind (Incendary), Thunderfire (Airburst), Flamestorm Cannons, Sterngaurd Bolters (Dragonfire), Gauntlet of the Forge, The Avenger
-In CC, all models ignore cover except Dreadnoughts without Ironclad Launchers.

CSM:Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Combi-Flamers, Tyrant's Claw, Wind of Chaos, Doom Siren
-In CC, all models ignore cover except Dreadnoughts, Defilers, Oblitorators, Spawn, Lesser Daemons, Greater Daemons and Daemon Princes.

IG:Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Inferno Cannon, Chem Cannon, Eradicator Nova Cannon,
Barrage Weapons (Mortar, Earthshaker Cannon, Deathstrike Missile, Storm Eagle Rocket, Colossus Seige Mortar, Griffon Heavy Mortar) ignore nearly all cover.
-In CC, all models ignore cover except Scout Sentinels, Armoured Sentinels, Psyker Battle Squads and Ratlings

Tau: Flamer, Airbursting Fragmention Projector
Smart Missile Systems and Seeker Missiles ignore LoS blocking cover
Marker Lights can be used to strip cover
-In CC, all units suffer from cover

Necrons: None
-In CC, all units suffer from cover

Eldar:Flamer, Dragon's Breath Flamer, Destructor, Exarch with Crack Shot
Barrage Weapons (Shadow Weaver, D-Cannon, Tempest Launcher) ignore nearly all cover.
-In CC, Harlequins, Striking Scorpions, Prince Yriel, Autarch and Swooping Hawks ignore cover

Dark Eldar: Destructor
Horrorfex and Terrorfex ignore cover, as they do not inflict damage
-In CC, Haemonculi, Archon, Dracon, Wych Dracite, Wych Arconite, Wyches can be made to ignore cover

Witch Hunters: Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Combi-Flamer, Brazier of Holy Fire, Hand Flamers, Ardent Blade, Storm Bolter (Blessed Ammunition), Heavy Bolter (Blessed Ammunition), Neural Shredder
Spy Mask decreases cover by 1
Divine Pronuncement, Psyk-Out Grenades and Psyk-Out Warheads ignores cover, as they do not inflict damage
In CC, any unit except Arco-Flagellents, Temple Assassins, Death Cult Assassins, Sister Repentia and Penitent Engine can be made to ignore cover




I'll do some more later.


Why are you saying certain don't ignore cover in close combat?

You must be confused with assaults and grenades and stuff. the rules clearly state that cover saves may NOT be taken in close combat under any circumstances.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1356943.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1356943.page GMT Re:Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed.
Grey Templar wrote:Why are you saying certain don't ignore cover in close combat?

You must be confused with assaults and grenades and stuff. the rules clearly state that cover saves may NOT be taken in close combat under any circumstances.


He is talking about assaulting through cover; listed units do not have assault grenades; so strike at initiative while the assaulted units strike at I10.

remember also that you have to be moving through cover to lose initiative when assaulting; if they sit on the edge or only half in cover you can ignore the penalties.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1357195.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1357195.page GMT Re:Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. OP meant this to be a Cover save negation discussion]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1357428.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1357428.page GMT Re:Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. CC dont get cover saves.

The OP asked about the best way to negate cover, and in some situations the best way to do this is to charge. Units with plasma/frag grenades effectivly ignore cover, while units without still suffer a reduced ability to kill the enemy, although its not in the same maner.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1357444.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1357444.page GMT Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed.
Uriels_Flame wrote:What are each armies specific ways or weapons that are the best ways to negate COVER SAVES?


I draw attention to his exact words.

Most of the units you listed won't care if the enemy strikes first]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1357453.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1357453.page GMT Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed.
I don't see much of a need to differentiate between those that do or do not ignore terrain for the purposes of assault - but assaulting into close combat *is* a way to ignore cover saves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1357476.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1357476.page GMT Re:Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed.
Grey Templar wrote:
the rules clearly state that cover saves may NOT be taken in close combat under any circumstances.


He wants to know how to negate cover saves.
As you say yourself, CC=no cover saves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1357484.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1357484.page GMT Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. IG experience so far (and the fact I fight Space Marines so much) the Colossus is a nasty little bugger -

Artillery w/ strength 6 AP3 and no cover saves with a large pie plate =

On several occasions I have been able to wipe out squads in cover with a squadron of Colossus mortars. I get the usual Devastator squads lurking in cover w/ massed lascannons and plasma.......one or two shots from Colossus and they are all gone.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1357509.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1357509.page GMT Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1358110.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1358110.page GMT Re:Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1403762.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1403762.page GMT Re:Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed.
Black Antelope wrote:

Barrage Weapons (Mortar, Earthshaker Cannon, Deathstrike Missile, Storm Eagle Rocket, Colossus Seige Mortar, Griffon Heavy Mortar) ignore nearly all cover.


Barrage weapons allow cover saves though, p32?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1403779.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1403779.page GMT Re:Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed.
mercer wrote:
Black Antelope wrote:

Barrage Weapons (Mortar, Earthshaker Cannon, Deathstrike Missile, Storm Eagle Rocket, Colossus Seige Mortar, Griffon Heavy Mortar) ignore nearly all cover.


Barrage weapons allow cover saves though, p32?


First bullet point on p32. Area terrain, yes. Other terrain, depends on where it lands. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1403794.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1403794.page GMT Re:Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1403983.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1403983.page GMT Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed. FLAMETHROWERS!~ Flamers, heavy flamers, incindiary cover ignoring bullets ect. Fire is the most sure way to remove cover, not only that, flame templates auto-hit!

#2 way to remove cover
Mobility~ Most people (with the rise of TLOS) will not actually get IN cover, instead they will just hide behind things, if your army has enough mobility (if they have bikes or skimmers or fast vehicles or jetbikes), you can get around what they are hiding behind and shoot them from an angle where they won't get cover.

#3 way to remove cover
Barrage~ Remember, indirect fire barage weapons don't "Ignore" cover, but you measure cover from the center of the template. Obviously if your target is standing in area terrain this point is moot, but again, if he's just standing behind something or behind one of his other units, this is perfect!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1404064.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1404064.page GMT Re:Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed.
sonsoftaurus wrote:
mercer wrote:
Black Antelope wrote:

Barrage Weapons (Mortar, Earthshaker Cannon, Deathstrike Missile, Storm Eagle Rocket, Colossus Seige Mortar, Griffon Heavy Mortar) ignore nearly all cover.


Barrage weapons allow cover saves though, p32?


First bullet point on p32. Area terrain, yes. Other terrain, depends on where it lands.


So you still get your cover save then. And you work out if cover save if the shot comes from the centre, so this would only work for multiple units.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1404149.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1404149.page GMT Re:Tactics and Weapons ignoring cover 5th Ed.
Anything in the Eldar list with Crack Shot.

More specifcally: Fire Dragon Exarchs with an 18" Melta (nice for getting through KFF and turbo-boost saves), Fuegan, Dark Reaper Exarch with Reaper Launcher (Heavy 2, Str 5, AP3) - that can deal some pain on nearly anything - especially since it can't claim cover from it), Maugan Ra.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1404264.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/280433/1404264.page GMT