http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net I am playing a game with friends and must proxy everything. IG will stand in for warriors, and i have bases for 6 destroyer-type models, 3 wraith type models, and NO scarabs/monoliths. Necron Lord w/ Pariahs will be represented with an IG CCS, warriors with IG infantry/PCS, destroyer and wraiths will be basic skimmerbases.

I need to form lists limited to Necron lord, pariahs or immortals, warriors, wraiths(3 max) and destroyer class models(6 max)

955pts

Necron Lord with Warscythe 110pts

5x Immortals(formerly pariahs, changed as the suck i guess)

20x Warriors 360pts

3x Destroyers 150pts

3x Heavy Destroyers 195pts

1438pts

Necron Lord with Warscythe 110pts

5x Immortals 140pts

3x Wraiths 123pts

40x Warriors 720pts

3x Destroyers 150pts

3x Heavy Destroyers 195pts



basically focused on shooty core, necron lord w/escort and wraiths as CC troops. I wouldn't mind dropping a few things so as to allow a veil of darkness for the necron lord and his unit to teleport closer to enemy though.
thanks for help

edit: would also consider replacing pariahs with immortals, and/or dropping the lords warscythe]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281263/1365827.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281263/1365827.page GMT
You need bubble wrap units to avoid close combat. Scarabs could be good. Could you proxy them?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281263/1365864.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281263/1365864.page GMT
I have no bases that match scarab bases.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281263/1365871.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281263/1365871.page GMT SM)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281263/1367631.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281263/1367631.page GMT
A) Never take Heavy Destroyers over a monolith, it's only 40 points more and mathematically more reliable against troops and AV12+. For anything lower than AV12, Destroyers will handle them more reliably than Heavy Destroyers and still mess up enemy infantry. Heavy Destroyers are one of those stupid, nearly redundant units in the codex. Not to mention monoliths are borderline immortal, there are very few weapons or units that have a significant chance of destroying it and it can't be reasonably disabled thanks to its special rules.

B) While Destroyers are the best unit in the codex, they're not worth one unit because if it gets wiped out by massed small arms fire (or missile launchers, 3 T5 wounds aren't impossible to accomplish) you won't get WBB rolls for any of them. You're better off taking a second unit of 3 than the immortals in either list. Immortals, on the other hand, are really only worth the points in a full squad and they don't usually need backup because it's unlikely for your opponent to completely wipe out 10 T5 wounds in one turn unless you're stupid or he's lucky.

C) Wraiths are never worth it. 41 points for one decent assault phase, and then they die. No PW (or MC status) makes them terrible even with a 3++ save. It's just 3 T4 wounds, bolter fire takes this out without a problem.

D) Pariahs range from terrible overpriced crap to invaluable counterassault units depending on who you're playing. Against termie spam or something moderately costed with lower armor (4+ like Eldar or Tau) they've got a decent shot of making their points back. The problem is that, although spending extra points and losing WBB for the 'scythe, they're still going to be eaten up in CC due to I3. Great against TH/SS termies, decent shooting against 4+ infantry, but otherwise terribly unimpressive and I'd almost always rather save 8 points and get an Immortal.

E) more than 20 warriors at 1500 is a waste of points as they will accomplish nothing but die. They're marines that fold like paper in CC. I'd sooner take a unit of Pariahs before 360 more points of warriors.

A lord with a scythe, destroyer body, and phase shifter is a fantastic anti-vehicle unit, by the way.

In short, minimal warriors hidden by the monolith and possibly a res orb to avoid phaseout. Destroyers and Immortals are your chief offensive units and game winners.

I'd really convince your opponent to let you proxy the damn 'lith. As is you're not going to lose to him, you're going to lose to these absurd restrictions.

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