<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "More Hive Guard or More Zoanthropes?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net More Hive Guard or More Zoanthropes? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1376301.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1376301.page GMT More Hive Guard or More Zoanthropes?
1000 pts: 2x2 hive guard + 2 zoanthropes
1500 pts: 3 hive guard + 2x2 zoanthropes + a little more antitank like one monster
2000 pts: 3 hive guard + 2x3 zoanthropes + some additional monsters for further anittank]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1376325.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1376325.page GMT More Hive Guard or More Zoanthropes?
Hive guard are good for taking out tough troops and light armour. Zoanthropes are better for tough armour and cracking power armour open.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1376857.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1376857.page GMT Re:More Hive Guard or More Zoanthropes? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1377119.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1377119.page GMT More Hive Guard or More Zoanthropes? tbh, zoanthropes imo can deal with both better than a hive guard because they have the blast template and also have lance shot while the guard just are multiple s8 ap4 weapons. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1377172.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1377172.page GMT More Hive Guard or More Zoanthropes? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1377255.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1377255.page GMT More Hive Guard or More Zoanthropes?
Hive guard don't have any of that stuff. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1377263.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1377263.page GMT More Hive Guard or More Zoanthropes?
mercer wrote:I didn't say they wasn't "totally awesome" did I? If you read I said it depends on his local meta game and zoanthropes can deal with infantry better (ap3 blast) and vehicles (lance ap1).

Hive guard don't have any of that stuff.


But they do rely on making psychic tests, so have effectively lower BS, have no useful range and get shut down by hoods and other psychic defense.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1377288.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1377288.page GMT More Hive Guard or More Zoanthropes?
Regwon wrote:
mercer wrote:I didn't say they wasn't "totally awesome" did I? If you read I said it depends on his local meta game and zoanthropes can deal with infantry better (ap3 blast) and vehicles (lance ap1).

Hive guard don't have any of that stuff.


But they do rely on making psychic tests, so have effectively lower BS, have no useful range and get shut down by hoods and other psychic defense.


And that's what he means by the metagame, what kind of opponents he is facing most of the time.

Where Hoods do have an unfavorable effect against Nids, they're not a complete game stopper, rolls aren't always going to go his way. And why not aim for that unit/model in an attempt to clear that Hood off the table? *shrug* Just seems like way to much attention paid to the block and not that it's an attempt to foil the psychic attacks, it's not an all or nothing solution, he can fail. Not to mention it can be defeated and leave the table and then the rest of the game you get to wrap the Hive Mind powers around the opponent unhindered by the pesky anti-psyker elements.

Now if he's running SW with 4 Rune Priests...yeah you're probably boned. But if not and running a standard SM list, at most he'll have 2 and that's really at the higher point levels where you should be able to at least take 1 off the table before turn 6.

Just my thoughts.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1377592.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1377592.page GMT More Hive Guard or More Zoanthropes? AV 14. They don't do it very reliable because of psychic tests, hoods / runes of warding and a short range. However, they are necessary as you need SOMETHING to crack AV 14.

2 units of zoanthropes are redundant, since their main purpose is killing AV 14. Hive guard are much better for other armor values due to reliability and toughness.

However, the hive guard absolutely rock at light armor killing have a great effective range and don't need line of sight. Additionally, they are reliable. They can also put the hurt on MC's pretty effectively even if they are getting an armor save.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1377598.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1377598.page GMT More Hive Guard or More Zoanthropes? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1377609.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1377609.page GMT More Hive Guard or More Zoanthropes? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1379381.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1379381.page GMT More Hive Guard or More Zoanthropes?
Regwon wrote:
mercer wrote:I didn't say they wasn't "totally awesome" did I? If you read I said it depends on his local meta game and zoanthropes can deal with infantry better (ap3 blast) and vehicles (lance ap1).

Hive guard don't have any of that stuff.


But they do rely on making psychic tests, so have effectively lower BS, have no useful range and get shut down by hoods and other psychic defense.


Eh? I said METAGAME. So depends if opponents take psykers, ones I play against don't so that's no worries and hoods aren't a game end for zoans anyway.

Eh? Zoanthropes and hive guard have the same ballistic skill, failing a psychic test doesn't affect the BS at all. Also have you ever heard of myceptic spores? Use them to close in the range, but doesn't a impaler cannon have 24" same as a warp lance any way......think about it ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1380010.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/281984/1380010.page GMT