<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "DE 2000 points"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net DE 2000 points
Worked up a new 2000 point list today now that my model collection is getting large enough. Wondering what the consensus is on this setup: especially the character configuration.

Lords/Heroes

Dreadlord on Manticore - SDC, Shield
Deathpiercer
Armor of Eternal Servitude
Pendant of Khaeleth

Sorceress - Level 1, 2x Dispell Scroll

Assassin - 2 Hand weapons
Manbane
Rending Stars

Core

2x10 Repeater Xbowmen

5 Dark Riders, RxB, Musician

5 Harpies

Special

5 Cold One Knights, no frills

5 Shades, no frills

14 Black Guard
Tower Master w/ Crimson Death
Standard Bearer w/Hag Greaf (ASF)

Rare

2 Reaper Bolt Throwers

1 War Hydra

Total: 1997 points.


I also have available: another squad of 5 Dark Riders, another squad of 5 Harpies, 20 Spearmen, 14 Corsairs.

This is intended to be a magic-light list. I only have the one sorceress now (my next modelling project is going to be another one or two on steeds, but for now I just have the one) so I'm running her primarily as magic defense. What do you think of the configuration of the characters?

Also, would it be wise to remove one or both of the RxB units in favor of more Dark Riders/Harpies, and GW on the Shades?


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1391611.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1391611.page GMT Re:DE 2000 points DE list, one of our meanest items is a Ring of Hotek. This thing overrides Teclis for 25 points. At 2k, you better believe people will be bringing Lord-level magic that loves to cast big.

Your Dreadlord has a significant chunk of points invested in defense, but 2/3 of ranged fire goes to the Manticore and in a fight that you should be initiating you have 9 powerful attacks with Killing Blow; what's left to hit you? Dive into flanks, murder whatever's in base contact, the end. That being said, a Master would do the job nearly as well for much less.

How about this slightly edited version?

Master - Lance, Full Mundane, Seal of Ghrond, Manticore - 324
Master - Great Weapon, Blood Armor, Sea Dragon Cloak, Ring of Hotek - 128
Sorceress - 2x Dispel Scroll - 150
Assassin - Manbane, Rending Stars - 145
10x Crossbowmen - 100
10x Crossbowmen - 100
5x Dark Riders - Crossbows - 110
5x Harpies - 55
5x Cold One Knights - 135
6x Shades - Great Weapons - 108
14x Black Guard - Crimson Death, Banner of Hag Graef - 270
War Hydra - 175
Reaper Bolt Thrower - 100
Reaper Bolt Thrower - 100

Total: 2000

Your Manticore Dreadlord is very expensive and unnecessarily so. A Master will do almost everything he does, but is significantly cheaper. You don't need to kit out the rider all that much since you'll want to be avoiding all incoming firepower and playing defensively with him. Even if some light shooting gets a hold of him, a 2+ armor save will keep him safe. Stay out of the way of cannons and bolt throwers, but even with a kitted Dreadlord your Manticore gets shot out from under him almost instantly to one or two of those anyway.

With the points saved I added another Master to carry the Ring of Hotek and to get your Black Guard a little more S6 bite. High toughness and heavy armor puts a huge damper on Black Guard's day since their S4 have a very tough time with it. The extra three S6 swings will help you out quite a bit in addition to carrying your ring. I understand you don't currently have the extra model, but this guy isn't a terribly expensive model and looks pretty cool (I think he does, at least). Or you can just convert some leftover Warrior/Corsair bits.

With the Seal of Ghrond, Scroll Caddy, and Ring of Hotek you have a solid defense against magic via 4DD, two Scrolls and Hotek.

I dropped the Dark Rider's musician and the Assassin's hand weapon to make room for another Shade. I feel it will do you better to have another body/crossbow in that unit than the little bonuses I took off. If you don't have the spare model, don't wish to convert, etc. just swap it back and have a few points left over.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1392014.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1392014.page GMT Re:DE 2000 points ASF and 10 str4 attacks and 6 str6 attacks there isn't going to be anyone to attack back and if there is you still have other models to take the hits. I think dark riders give you a lot more alternatives on the table. If you want to keep the blood armor, I would suggest losing a black guard then, you would still have 7x2 with the master in there. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1392115.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1392115.page GMT Re:DE 2000 points
A second slightly edited version of the first!

Master - Lance, Full Mundane, Seal of Ghrond, Manticore - 324
Master - Soulrender, Heavy Armor, Sea Dragon Cloak, Ring of Hotek - 128
Sorceress - 2x Dispel Scroll - 150
Assassin - Manbane, Rending Stars - 145
10x Crossbowmen - 100
5x Dark Riders - Crossbows - 110
5x Dark Riders - Crossbows - 110
5x Harpies - 55
5x Cold One Knights - 135
6x Shades - Great Weapons - 108
13x Black Guard - Crimson Death, Banner of Hag Graef - 257
War Hydra - 175
Reaper Bolt Thrower - 100
Reaper Bolt Thrower - 100
Total: 1997

Boogyman makes a good point about the Blood Armor being unnecessary. One thing that I had major issues with last game was a bunch of Chaos Knights running into my Black Guard and grinding them down so I tossed in the Soulrender for that unit. Between the three S6 Champion attacks and three S6 AP Master attacks, you should be able to deal with toughness and heavy armor fairly consistently.

Edit: Adjusted Black Guard price. 13 of them don't cost the same as 14 of them. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1392880.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1392880.page GMT Re:DE 2000 points AP attacks could be very useful, like Kirb said. I think Kirb forgot to change that number on the black guard to 257. The list seems to have a little bit of everything. A couple of hard hitting units, an anvil, dark riders can be multipurposeful (hunters, redirectors, march blockers, general pains in the asses, and if necessary flank chargers), harpies and shades can be used in different ways also (especially shades w/GW), shooting, magic defense, and a nasty master on a manticore to wreck havoc when he wants. I think it is a nice all-comers list and you should be able to handle most armies you come across. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1393075.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1393075.page GMT DE 2000 points
The rest of Kirbinators list seems fine. At least one additional unit of Harpies would be great though. Also, the Master on foot would benefit from a Battle Standard. I don't really think the Soulrender is that much better then a regular Great Weapon either (while it costs 9 points more).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1393884.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1393884.page GMT Re:DE 2000 points
I agree that adding AP to a weapon that already causes -3 to AS really isn't improving it that much, maybe the blood armor again then. Or trying to scrap enough points together to get something else, maybe another shade.

The problem with making him a BSB is he would lose the ring of hotek and he will be in a unit that is already stubborn and ItP. I think the benefits of the ring are better than having a BSB. But that is just my humble opinion.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1394169.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1394169.page GMT Re:DE 2000 points
As for the Manticore vs. Dragon.. I have a Manticore. Dont have a dragon yet. Using a Manticore. Plus, as noted, its kinda hard to fit a dragon into a 2000 pt list. 2500 points, for sure, though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1394283.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1394283.page GMT Re:DE 2000 points http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1394490.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1394490.page GMT Re:DE 2000 points
boogeyman wrote:The problem with making him a BSB is he would lose the ring of hotek and he will be in a unit that is already stubborn and ItP. I think the benefits of the ring are better than having a BSB. But that is just my humble opinion.

Other than finding 25pts from even further list trimming, why would he lose the Ring? You can't have a magic standard and magic items, but you can have a normal standard and magic items. It would actually be pretty easy to fit the Battle Standard in there by dropping the Seal of Ghrond. I don't feel it's too necessary and I'd rather have the extra die, but in the grand scheme of things it's probably a wash.

I like the Soulrender for three reasons. One, the points were there. Two, it's a magic weapon for those pesky ethereals. Three, it takes a Chaos Knight from 1+ armor to 5+. The difference between a 4+ save and a 5+ save is pretty huge. It's also not unheard of for various heroes to have 1+ or even 0+ armor saves (Lizardmen Chief on Cold One gets a 0+ with mundane and an enchanted shield). A great weapon with armor piercing adds that much more to taking those things down that might fly into your Black Guard.

One fun thing you can do is take the list, strip off all magic items that aren't set in stone (Hag Graef, Manbane/Stars, Scrolls, etc. are almost a given, so leave those on) and extra bodies and see how much you have left. Then you see that you have a pretty big chunk of points left to play with. Considering you have an empty Special slot, you could probably do some heavy stripping and get down enough to include another unit of CoK, which would help more than little bits of things here and there.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1394532.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1394532.page GMT Re:DE 2000 points I don't know what it is with me, but I am always assuming a magic banner on the BSB. My bad.

It could be fun trying to squeek in anothe CoK unit, but I think the little added bits helps for those special occasions. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1394547.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1394547.page GMT Re:DE 2000 points http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1396981.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/282979/1396981.page GMT