<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Librarian?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Librarian? HQ unit while some people I talked to at the keep really loved having him so I was wondering what is the usefulness of a librarian?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1400253.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1400253.page GMT Librarian? TH/SS Termies, Zoeys, Demon Princes, etc). It also has the added benefit of making Demons cry.

Basically, the Libby is a cheap force multiplier. He can't kill things like a Captain and doesn't change your whole army like an SC, but he still is very solid for his points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1400282.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1400282.page GMT Librarian? HQ for marines.
Null zone and vortex of doom on a terminator librarian is a huge force to be reckoned with.

If he isnt wearing pink terminator armor though he isnt worth having. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1400439.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1400439.page GMT Librarian?
He is a good support HQ and useful for anti-psyker work. It is also good to have a second HQ because, in some tournaments at my FLGS, you get bonus points for taking out all an opponents HQs.

If you can afford it, take the librarian, give him termie armor and a storm shield and stick him in a land raider. Epistolary is also great if you can afford it and plan on really working your librarian.

Even if you take a bog standard libby and put him with a unit, he is worth the 100pts for the nullzone and psychic hood.

Cheers]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1400525.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1400525.page GMT Librarian? HQs, you'll find null zone saving the day over and over again. Daemon armies, terminators (both assault and regular) and seer councils really hate it.

I use the 100 point basic librarian with null zone and another power (it doesn't really matter which one) in a razorback with a squad. With only I4 and Str4 you really can't expect him to be effective in HtH. He's kind of like a vet sergeant (with power weapon) who can be picked out, so when he fights it's usually suicide. But most games he doesn't even get out of the transport anyway, just rides around inside it casting null zone and using the psychic hood.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1400923.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1400923.page GMT Re:Librarian? HQ's Pedro Kantor (The Crimson Fist guy) and a Chaplain with terminator armor who I run around with my assault terminators. I wouldn't get rid of Pedro and the Chaplain with the termies has really been rocking, rerolling hits and wounds with lightning claws, would the librarian really be worth swapping out my Chaplain?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1401117.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1401117.page GMT Librarian? FLGS. It was just after the new Nid codex. In 3 games he killed 2 Trygons in CC . . . Gotta love force weapons =]

Since then he has gone on to great success, felling multi-wound characters left right and centre. Here is someone who just can't wait for the Librarian Dreadnought =D

Oshova]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1401126.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1401126.page GMT Librarian? He adds psychic powers to the army, lots of utility powers.
He adds 'some' combat punch before psychics are taken into account.

He's not as flashy as other characters, but he does what he does well enough.

And seriously, Null Zone says "feth you" to Codex Daemons and even the Seer Council.

So yea, he is a utility character bringing in a Swiss Army Knife character that has lots of choices with powers before a game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1401127.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1401127.page GMT Librarian? SM army is usually led by a Librarian, even in RTTs.
I outfit him with terminator armor and storm shield, nullzone and whatnot.
He usually leads a unit of Assault Termies and this guy never disappointed me. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1401254.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1401254.page GMT Librarian? hq slot and add extra punch to the army when needed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1401262.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1401262.page GMT Librarian? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1401512.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1401512.page GMT Librarian? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1401545.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1401545.page GMT Librarian? LD. Also think apocalypse here, Vanilla SM has a limited range. SW it covers THE ENTIRE BOARD!!! It totally screws over the opponent =D

Furthermore, Living Lightning in a Rhino . . . possibly the best tactic for your Rune Priest. He's adding D6 S7 AP5 shots to your Rhino . . . =O . . . And when the tank gets destroyed, him and his squad of wolves get out and munch whatever's closest. MMMMM! That's some tasty ownage right there =]

Oshova]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1402741.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1402741.page GMT Librarian? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1403005.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1403005.page GMT Re:Librarian?
TheBlackVanguard wrote:I already have 2 HQ's Pedro Kantor (The Crimson Fist guy) and a Chaplain with terminator armor who I run around with my assault terminators. I wouldn't get rid of Pedro and the Chaplain with the termies has really been rocking, rerolling hits and wounds with lightning claws, would the librarian really be worth swapping out my Chaplain?


Well, if you have a combo like that already then idk, You probably have sternguard in your list, but a librarian in that land raider will force opponents to re-roll the invulnerable saves they take against those LC terminators with his null-zone power.

Also, two words, Psychic, Hood. In the era of Lash, Jaws, Catylist and Sword of Sanguinious, you need something to shut down those crazy psy powers, and the libby is LD 10, so if anyone can stop those powers with a LD dice off it's him.

I mean, the chaplain is another support HQ, but his supporting role is pure CC, the libby can help you out in the other phases of the game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1403051.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1403051.page GMT Librarian? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1403065.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1403065.page GMT Librarian?
Cryonicleech wrote:What do ya'll think of Force Dome? Especially with Sternguard, I'd think it's a nice bonus to have.


It's not bad, but it's only a 5+, I'd think Gate would be cooler for Sternguard so they can jump around the board.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1403072.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1403072.page GMT Librarian?
starbomber109 wrote:
It's not bad, but it's only a 5+, I'd think Gate would be cooler for Sternguard so they can jump around the board.


Do be careful with gate. It is really great for getting a more static element where it needs to be to do damage. Unfortunately it clumps your squad up nice and tight and is begging for a large blast to say hello. If its just a unit with a 3+ save an accurate battle cannon might eat the whole squad.

Cheers
~Volkan]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1403271.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1403271.page GMT Librarian?
Volkan wrote:
starbomber109 wrote:
It's not bad, but it's only a 5+, I'd think Gate would be cooler for Sternguard so they can jump around the board.


Do be careful with gate. It is really great for getting a more static element where it needs to be to do damage. Unfortunately it clumps your squad up nice and tight and is begging for a large blast to say hello. If its just a unit with a 3+ save an accurate battle cannon might eat the whole squad.

Cheers
~Volkan


Also you might lose a squad member.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1403300.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1403300.page GMT Librarian? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1403723.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1403723.page GMT Librarian?
there are 36 possible outcomes when rolling 2 dice; if any doubles are rolled (6 possible outcomes) the you lose a member that makes it a 6/36 chance or simplified down a 1/6 chance to lose a member of any squad gating with a librarian.

Then as you said they can be lost do to a bad scatter as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1403827.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1403827.page GMT Librarian? IG comp.)/vortex o' doom/null zone for enemies w/ lotsa invuln.s. Basically, Smite is a storm bolter that is AP 2 so it is great for a reg. termie squad, and Null zone or any of the other ones are great for whatever particular enemy you are facing. He's my favorite HQ choice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1409458.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1409458.page GMT Re:Librarian?
a terminator Librarian with a storm shield is VERY difficult to kill, meaning he can either run alone or hid in assault terminators.

a particularly nasty power with this setup is the quickining. inititive 10 and fleet makes him effective at hunting charactors or killing MEQs before they strike and almost being garunteed to survive any counter strikes due to 2+ and 3++ saves.

machine curse is an ok power, but the other powers are so much better. Smite and avenger are good allrounders ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1409536.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1409536.page GMT Re:Librarian? SM army, and I am lucky enough to own a copy of Space Hulk, and therefore that beautiful Librarian model in terminator armor.

What would be the best powers to run him with tagging along side an assault terminator unit chilling inside a LR? I've gathered that Null Zone is a smart idea.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1409596.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1409596.page GMT Librarian? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1409601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1409601.page GMT Librarian?
Sacred Chao wrote:
I myself just started building a SM army, and I am lucky enough to own a copy of Space Hulk, and therefore that beautiful Librarian model in terminator armor.

What would be the best powers to run him with tagging along side an assault terminator unit chilling inside a LR?

I'd recommend null zone as it will help the Terminators do their job against anything with an invulnerable save.
The 2nd power can really be anything that could offer utility. Avenger could be pretty useful, machine curse has situational uses. Might or quickening could even be good. Also depends on if you are planning to make him an Epistolary.
Cheers
~Volkan]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1409607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1409607.page GMT Librarian?
Volkan wrote:
Sacred Chao wrote:
I myself just started building a SM army, and I am lucky enough to own a copy of Space Hulk, and therefore that beautiful Librarian model in terminator armor.

What would be the best powers to run him with tagging along side an assault terminator unit chilling inside a LR?

I'd recommend null zone as it will help the Terminators do their job against anything with an invulnerable save.
The 2nd power can really be anything that could offer utility. Avenger could be pretty useful, machine curse has situational uses. Might or quickening could even be good. Also depends on if you are planning to make him an Epistolary.
Cheers
~Volkan


To Epistolary or not epistolary? That's the question.

I figure in games of 1000 points and up I would epistolary.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1409620.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1409620.page GMT Librarian? ymmv) or quickening/might depending on what you are looking for.
If you don't feel you need null zone you can use either of the assault oriented powers in conjunction with the force weapon to force Instant Death on a multi-wound model.
Conversely you can also use Null Zone and then use either might or quickening to augment the killing power of the Libby if the enemy models have only a single wound each (might would probably be more useful in this situation.)

Cheers
~Volkan]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1409676.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1409676.page GMT Re:Librarian? MC hunting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1410106.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1410106.page GMT Re:Librarian?
unbeliever87 wrote:I've always wanted to try a Epistolary Librarian with the Quickening and Might of the Ancients, and use it to go MC hunting.


The problem with that is, if you use both Quickening and Might in the same turn, you can't also use the force weapon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1410131.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1410131.page GMT Re:Librarian?
Flavius Infernus wrote:
unbeliever87 wrote:I've always wanted to try a Epistolary Librarian with the Quickening and Might of the Ancients, and use it to go MC hunting.


The problem with that is, if you use both Quickening and Might in the same turn, you can't also use the force weapon.


That's true, I suppose it's just a matter of knowing which power to use at the time. I really wish Librarians came with I5 standard like they did in the 4th edition codex, I4 is probably the only thing that stops me from taking Librarians more often. That and the lack of a real invulnerable save outside of TDA.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1411863.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1411863.page GMT Librarian?
Oshova wrote:I still reckon that Rune Priests are better. It's automatically done on a 4+, in my book that's better than rolling off and adding LD. Also think apocalypse here, Vanilla SM has a limited range. SW it covers THE ENTIRE BOARD!!! It totally screws over the opponent =D

Furthermore, Living Lightning in a Rhino . . . possibly the best tactic for your Rune Priest. He's adding D6 S7 AP5 shots to your Rhino . . . =O . . . And when the tank gets destroyed, him and his squad of wolves get out and munch whatever's closest. MMMMM! That's some tasty ownage right there =]

Oshova


Null Zone is a reason why Librarians are better in some matchups than Runepriests.

Yes, the priest's 4+ is more reliable than a psychic hood, but the SW anti-psychic does not actually cover the full board, it's limited to 24" range like the hood is.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1411959.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1411959.page GMT Librarian?
willydstyle wrote:Null Zone is a reason why Librarians are better in some matchups than Runepriests.

Yes, the priest's 4+ is more reliable than a psychic hood, but the SW anti-psychic does not actually cover the full board, it's limited to 24" range like the hood is.


Yeah its still 24"- still cool though. The null zone is also pretty gnarly against, as mentioned, Terminators w/ SS, daemons, and, well, anything with an/a decent invul save.


Besides that, he has a ability called "Vortex of Doom". How could you NOT love the guy ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1411974.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1411974.page GMT Librarian? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1414271.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1414271.page GMT Librarian? 40K.


My second HQ for my bikers is a Libby on a bike, very good toolbox characters.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1415087.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1415087.page GMT Librarian?
Sanctjud wrote:

My second HQ for my bikers is a Libby on a bike, very good toolbox characters.


I've been pondering using a bike Libby myself, How has he been working out and what powers have you been using?

Cheers
~Volkan]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1415455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1415455.page GMT Librarian? It's been pretty much that.

I'm torn between Avenger and Might.
Avenger, due to the quick movement speed of the bike, though, I don't have vehicles to tank shock opponents into clumps, so it's not as uber as I thought it would be.

Might, is the second power I've tried a bit. Basically he joins up with the captain and lay down a handful of str 6 power weapon attacks.

But at the end of the day it's Random power vs. Null If null is not useful, then chances are Might or Avenger will be rocking.

Between Might and Avenger, Avenger has the oppurtunity to kill more than Might as it's only limited 3-4 attacks in combat...something that is not always healthy for the libby.
Shooting them dead is safer and easier ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1415951.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1415951.page GMT Librarian?
Sanctjud wrote:Between Might and Avenger, Avenger has the oppurtunity to kill more than Might as it's only limited 3-4 attacks in combat...something that is not always healthy for the libby.
Shooting them dead is safer and easier


Yar. My Libby much prefers using Avenger on Zerkers than trying to fight them in H2H.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1416238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1416238.page GMT Re:Librarian?
starbomber109 wrote:
TheBlackVanguard wrote:I already have 2 HQ's Pedro Kantor (The Crimson Fist guy) and a Chaplain with terminator armor who I run around with my assault terminators. I wouldn't get rid of Pedro and the Chaplain with the termies has really been rocking, rerolling hits and wounds with lightning claws, would the librarian really be worth swapping out my Chaplain?


Well, if you have a combo like that already then idk, You probably have sternguard in your list, but a librarian in that land raider will force opponents to re-roll the invulnerable saves they take against those LC terminators with his null-zone power.

Also, two words, Psychic, Hood. In the era of Lash, Jaws, Catylist and Sword of Sanguinious, you need something to shut down those crazy psy powers, and the libby is LD 10, so if anyone can stop those powers with a LD dice off it's him.

I mean, the chaplain is another support HQ, but his supporting role is pure CC, the libby can help you out in the other phases of the game.


I run a relatively assault-oriented SM army so no I do not use Sternguard though I am looking at jump pack marines.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1419099.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283549/1419099.page GMT