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To be honest while we all I know I love the Templars and I certainly think Helbrecht stands a shot I doubt hes the clear victor. Calgar is def a strong choice, as is Dante (he's been alive for so long that he to have been doing something right).

I would like to say that Pugh from the imperial fists probably stands a fair shot as well.

I'm no sold on Azrael or Kantor

No Sarpedon allowed in this thread]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400603.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400603.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters
My vote go's to Logan Grimnar or Tu'shan]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400612.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400612.page GMT Re:Battle of The Chapter Masters You should create 1 vs 1 thread.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400616.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400616.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400656.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400656.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters
Calgar is the awesomsauce, in terms of equipment and training he's got a clear edge. The others in his league would be Dante, who's long life and kick ass equipment also put him up there, and perhaps Seth too, though I can see his wild swings being parried and countered easily by the other two.
Logan is a fairly obvious choice too, and he is really tough.
I think it comes down to the fact that although they are mad tough, Chapter Masters are mostly leaders of men:
Calgar is a tactical genius (no creed jokes) who's equipment and training make him the bee's knees.
Dante is a specialist at surgical strikes and close combat, who leads from the front.
Logan is another kind of tactical genius, well suited to his individualistic troops.

Even Kantor, though not the most impressive combatant, is an incredibly inspiring leader who holds his men together through force of will and personality.
I quite like the different molds that we've been given to work with for our Chapter Masters. In an out and out fight I'd say it's between the Wolf, the Angel and the Ultramarine.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400681.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400681.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

cypher :p always, now and forever

he is the chapter master of himself]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400686.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

IronfrontAlex wrote:I say Vulcan

Eh? who's he chapter master of?

If Shrike/Lysander are only captains imagine how cool/hard their respective chapter masters must be

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DEATH89 wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:I say Vulcan

Eh? who's he chapter master of?

If Shrike/Lysander are only captains imagine how cool/hard their respective chapter masters must be

I ASSUMED that vulkan was the chapter master of the salamanders; i guess i was wrong. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400704.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400704.page GMT Re:Battle of The Chapter Masters http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400722.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400722.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400752.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400752.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters BA style codex-Ultramarines with some rules and a character for other chapters.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400801.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400801.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400935.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1400935.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

IronfrontAlex wrote:

DEATH89 wrote:
IronfrontAlex wrote:I say Vulcan

Eh? who's he chapter master of?

If Shrike/Lysander are only captains imagine how cool/hard their respective chapter masters must be

I ASSUMED that vulkan was the chapter master of the salamanders; i guess i was wrong.

Sorry rereading that looks like i'm takin the

I just wanted to rule out it being a chapter master i didnt know of

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Shas'O Dorian wrote:Why has no one mentioned Azrael? He has the watchers on his side .

As far as i remember, all the watchers do is...*sound of drums........*.....watch. They don't interfeer, so no advantage there]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1401519.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1401519.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters WE WIL DEFERAT CALGA----gulkgfgt gulk luk.....
(gets a face full of powerfist)
Watcher 1: ohhh man did you see that?
watcher 2: dude TOTALLY WATCHED THAT
watcher 3: i'm pretty glad we only watch and don't you know... fight.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1401709.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1401709.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

IronfrontAlex wrote:Azarael: FIGHT ON MY BROTHER WATCHERS! WE WIL DEFERAT CALGA----gulkgfgt gulk luk.....
(gets a face full of powerfist)
Watcher 1: ohhh man did you see that?
watcher 2: dude TOTALLY WATCHED THAT
watcher 3: i'm pretty glad we only watch and don't you know... fight.

word!

I'd expect them to send the video to Tzeentch.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1401805.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1401805.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters ftw!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1401814.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1401814.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters
Grimnar has the resilience, the determination and the spark of brilliance. Dante has the experience, mobility and the (in)famous Blood Angels fury.

Calgar, Tu'Shan, Seth and Helbrecht would be average contenders; not far behind the others, but they'd be falling behind.

Azrael, Pugh, Kantor and Angelos (at least I think he is the Chapter Master, at least according to Index Astartes) would be the weakest of the lot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1401904.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1401904.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

Lupe wrote:Grimnar and Dante would be a tier above the others, to be honest.

Grimnar has the resilience, the determination and the spark of brilliance. Dante has the experience, mobility and the (in)famous Blood Angels fury.

Calgar, Tu'Shan, Seth and Helbrecht would be average contenders; not far behind the others, but they'd be falling behind.

Azrael, Pugh, Kantor and Angelos (at least I think he is the Chapter Master, at least according to Index Astartes) would be the weakest of the lot.

^ Truth.

I'd put Jubal Khan with the Kantor, Pugh and Azreal section. It's pretty clear that Kor'sarro is their best hand to hand combatant, with his sword.

The only inklings with this that put me off is Calgar isn't THAT far behind Logan and Dante, though I may be wrong.

I also think Seth's utter barbarity and losing himself in combat, utterly focussed on slaying his foe... given the nature of the Tearers, I put him a little above Helbrecht and Tu'shan.

Speaking of, Tu'shan is 'Strong, even for a space marine', but this aint an armwrestlin contest. Still, beibng a Salamander... he must have some sweet ass gear.

Helbrecht hasn't been High Marshall long enough to really get into it or be a contender. I think High Marshall Ludoldus might possibly have been up there with Dante and Logan. Alas.

Azreal... well, sadly, as much as I love DA fluff, all this 'Inner Circle' nonsense I think has driven Azreal to be a chump. He practically works in a call center. Comparatively, leastways.

Pugh.. has he done anything other than self-flagellate?

Kantor... definatly more of a leader than a fighter. He has Cortez for that.

Angelos... well, depends how much you view Imperial Armour vs Dawn of War. He's third company captain(and goddamn crazy awesome), or Chapter Master who like frontline work. A lot. I'm inclined to put him as the biggest fish in the smallest pool.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1402278.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1402278.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters
Anyway, in all seriousness, my money is on Logan Grimnar. He is a living legend.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1402484.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1402484.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

sniperjolly wrote:Hay guize, wat about the Iron Hands chapter maser? lolololol/

Anyway, in all seriousness, my money is on Logan Grimnar. He is a living legend.

What chapter master isn't ? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1402504.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1402504.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1402770.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1402770.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters
Calgar - impressive gear, but more importantly he rules a massive empire of his own. He could also call upon about 50% of the Adeptus Astartes. He wins on strength of forces

Dante - clearly the most experienced Chapter Master alive and the greatest tactical genius in the Imperium. He wins on tactics

Pugh - totally obssessive and relentless, he will throw everything he has at you until eveyone is dead, and he commands probably the most dedicated (although not the most insane) marines. He wins on sheer bloody-mindedness

Grimnar - just a beast. Alongside his champion Arjac noone stands a chance in combat. He wins on personal strength

Azrael - totally underrated by the looks of it. He isn't the strongest, or the best tactician, or has the best gear but he's sinister as feth. I wouldn't be surprised if come the time of the battle the opposing Chapter Master has just disappeared... plus knowing what he does he is probably the most crazed of all SMs (possibly excluding DC and Wulfen but they're out of control crazy). He wins on fear factor

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Shas'O Dorian wrote:Edit:
Title is battle of the chapter masters Azrael being a devious bastard would hide in a dark corner until everyone forgot about him & killed the (2nd) last competitor when he is tired & probably wounded.

Azrael vs Calgar Round 1... fight!

Calgar: wuh? where'd he go?

3 hours later...

Calgar: you cant hide forever...(notices both a shadow move and realises both his hands are missing)

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DEATH89 wrote:

Shas'O Dorian wrote:Edit:
Title is battle of the chapter masters Azrael being a devious bastard would hide in a dark corner until everyone forgot about him & killed the (2nd) last competitor when he is tired & probably wounded.

Azrael vs Calgar Round 1... fight!

Calgar: wuh? where'd he go?

3 hours later...

Calgar: you cant hide forever...(hears sobbing coming from a corner)

fixed it

in all seriousness though, my vote is on Tu'shan. You'll get burned, melted or hammered. Choose your death!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1403780.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1403780.page GMT Re:Battle of The Chapter Masters
If we were to go far off and rank chapter masters on their feats of leadership then I wouldn't throw Helbrecht out. I mean he was in charge of the allied Imperial fleet in the Third War for Armageddon and seeing as how that war was won in space as they cut off Orkish reinforcements I would say that that's a good notch under his belt.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1403953.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1403953.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters
The problem with Azrael is that his fluff hasn't been re-written for 5th ed. They haven't yet turned him into a warrior-god raging on the battlefield.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1405209.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1405209.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters CM's all to themselves, imagine the warrior that leads them!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1405386.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1405386.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

Captain Shrike wrote:Whoever the master of the Grey Knights is would be the winner, I mean, the captains are like CM's all to themselves, imagine the warrior that leads them!

No, it wouldn't. Whoever is the GK chapter master would only be trained in fighting daemons and heretics, so much so that he couldn't anticipate what a normal space marine would throw at him.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1405396.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1405396.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters GK's sometimes fight with normal marines, and against CSM, so I think he would know, also in The Killing Ground, a GK termie capt. kiked the asses of ureil ventris (ultramarine capt), and his seargeant pasanius, at the same time. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1405406.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1405406.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters
Release thread is pointless. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1405408.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1405408.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

Captain Shrike wrote:Whoever the master of the Grey Knights is would be the winner, I mean, the captains are like CM's all to themselves, imagine the warrior that leads them!

I'm not sure they count, being Grand Masters, not Chapter Masters. That's a whole different league (besides, there's more than one of those.) IF those kinds of SM leaders counted, I think it would be a tie between a GK GM and the Custodes Captain-General. That would be a sight to behold.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1405535.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1405535.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1405715.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1405715.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1406259.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1406259.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

sniperjolly wrote:Nah, if Constantin Valdor was included, the contest would cease to be a topic for debate. He's been the Emperor's personal bodyguard from when the primarchs were in diapers and the Space Marines hadn't even been considers yet. 10,000 old and still kickin'.

Proof!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1406315.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1406315.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters
Aparently they removed that bit from lexicanum.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1406380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1406380.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters GM would have some chance, maybe. It's not out of the question is what I'm saying, it's just not practical against a guy like that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1406382.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1406382.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1406536.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1406536.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1409449.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1409449.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

sniperjolly wrote:Give me proof that he died or will die of old age, or will see actual combat after the heresy. He never died, ergo, he is alive. He must have set a record for most terms aboard the high lords.

Aparently they removed that bit from lexicanum.

yeeeaaahh..... I'm not buying it, that logic has so many holes in it.

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I would say that it would be pretty close between all the FIrst Founding Chapter Masters, but more so Dante and Calgar.

Dante, Calgar and Tu'shan were the only chapters during the 1st Armageddon War and they all gave Dante the highest commanding role because of his eleven-hundred years of experience.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1409879.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1409879.page GMT Re:Battle of The Chapter Masters

Scare crow wrote:
Dante, Calgar and Tu'shan were the only chapters during the 1st Armageddon War and they all gave Dante the highest commanding role because of his eleven-hundred years of experience.

Nope, none of them were. Grimnar was the only one there

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I'm fairly certain that he was also the custode who brought the leader of the brides of the emperor to the actual golden throne, the events afters this leading to the end of the Age of Apostasy
(Templars had already breached the walls and the space marines were flooding in with the mechanicus so it was only a matter of time anyway)

I mean as much as I love Helbrecht and I'm sure he isn't bottom tier I do have to go with Calgar (killed an Avatar in combat) or Dante(in his 1200 years of life he's probably done gak just as awesome of killing an avatar in one on one)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1414618.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1414618.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters
Also, do the GKs have an overall commander? Like is there only one GM or something?

And yeah, Custodes are supposed to be way more powerful than SM. It's too bad they never leave Terra.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1414652.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1414652.page GMT Re:Battle of The Chapter Masters IMO the custodes would be the n°1 contender.

Or an unknown factor could win, like the chapter master of the Raven Guard.

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I think Pugh could be an underdog, I mean as it stands I'd say Lysander on his own as Captain of the first company could be in the running. The guy escaped from an Iron Warriors planet, killing everything in his way without even his power armor on. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1414686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1414686.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters Fighting i've got to give it to Calgar, i mean once you punch and take out an avatar of a god there's really not too much more to prove your great.
All round i've got to say Pedro Kantor, keeping the chapter together and functional after the catostrophe of Rynns World had to have taken an extrodinary amount of leadership]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1414757.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1414757.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters ..
ABADDON. He would beat them all up

Though seriously, my money is on Grimnar.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1414767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1414767.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

Snikkyd wrote:Also, do the GKs have an overall commander? Like is there only one GM or something?

There are a few. I'd put my estimates between three and a dozen. I think we've decided they don't count anymore, though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1414868.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1414868.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters CM
I a one on one I'd say Grimnar would beat most If not all, plus he aint afraid to go against anyone (fought the ecclesiarchy just for coming to check on the SW) if he thinks he's in the right.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1416474.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1416474.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

karimabuseer wrote:
ABADDON. He would beat them all up

Sadly, I think this is actually true(as much as I hate abaddon). No other chapter masters have the supreme favor of 4 gods of chaos, or the masses of the black legion + influence/control over many other legions at his command. Typhus is definitely up there as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1420338.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1420338.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters str 6 power weapon attacks he is like a mini demon prince of tzentch only cooler

p.s. just a side note him with a command squad consistently wipes half of my opponents army all by themselves the command squad is 2x power weapons 2x meltaguns apothecary and a standard bearer for the extra attack ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1465521.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1465521.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

azrael would wipe the floor with all of them iniative 5 2+/4+ saves 5 str 6 power weapon attacks he is like a mini demon prince of tzentch only cooler

p.s. just a side note him with a command squad consistently wipes half of my opponents army all by themselves the command squad is 2x power weapons 2x meltaguns apothecary and a standard bearer for the extra attack

Unfortunately, if we must go to in-game statistics, you are forgetting that if Calgar makes it to you, the 6 strength 8 PF attacks w/ rerolls on wound and hit are going to make Azreal into meaty chunks, plus the nice STR 4 AP 2 bolter attacks before he even gets into CC.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1465878.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1465878.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters
Yeah, loyalty to mah chapter.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1465917.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1465917.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters
Anyway, Heres what would happen:

P.S: This is for laughs, don't take it litteraly

Pool 1: Calgar v Dante = Dante repeatedly jumps over Calgar, who continues slam the floor with his fists, thus smashing it and falling through.
Winner: DANTE
Pool 2: Seth v Grimnar = Seth begins spinning round in circles and Logans weapon is possessed by a demon.
Winner : SETH
Pool 3: Tsu' Gan v Pugh = Pugh cuts of his head to show loyalty to the emperor
Winner: TSU' GAN
Pool 4: Kantor v Azrael = Azrael hides, then Kantor begins to cry because of Rynn's World, then Azrael sits down beside him and cries over Caliban. Kantor stands up and squishes Azrael with his power fist.
Winner: KANTOR

Semis

Tsugan v Dante= Dante tries to scare Tsu' gan with his mask by sticking out his tongue. Tsu' Gan sets Dante on fire.
Winner: TSU' GAN
Seth v Kantor= Kanor does an amazing speech which brings hope to his followers. Seth, who is still running around in circles, cuts him in half.
Winner: SETH

FINALS

Tsu' Gan v Seth= Seth, who is now very tired, dizzy and amazed at how he got this far by spinning around, is overwhelmed by a bloodlust and eats himself.

Overall Winner: Tsu' Gan.

Remember, this is just a joke. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1466140.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1466140.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

fattyhasarrived wrote:There is no Grey Knight Grand Master, they are ultimately commanded by the Ordo Malleus.

....Yes there is. There are multiple, in fact. They are in the codex. You should read it if you haven't. They're right there, in the HQ section.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1466332.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1466332.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

IronfrontAlex wrote:WHY ARENT THERE RULES FOR HIM!?!?!

I know.
WHY!!!!!

Though I'm gonna go Azrael of the Dark Angles, I've always liked DA fluff and back in '95 he was actualy pretty cool.
And I know he's not a Chapter Master but he's probably as close as they will ever get Veteran Sergeant Centurius of the Legion of the Damned.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1466365.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1466365.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1466672.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1466672.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters
The guy has had a personal audience with the Emperor (in admittedly very old fluff, and even then it was only a rumour), has all of the coolest gear that exists, due to the Mentor Legion being a super-elite chapter that gets all of the best equipment (again, only in the old fluff, but who cares about the nonsense written in the latest codex about them anyway - that can't even get the chapter badge right in that) and his chapter has the most extensive combat epxerience of pretty much any chapter in existence due to going off to fight alongside other chapters, thereby learning all of the best tricks and knowing the most about every enemy and potential enemy of mankind (including renegade chapter masters) (again, only in old fluff, because some idiot did an about-face in the latest codex and completely changed their modus operandi)...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1466755.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1466755.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

crazypsyko666 wrote:

fattyhasarrived wrote:There is no Grey Knight Grand Master, they are ultimately commanded by the Ordo Malleus.

....Yes there is. There are multiple, in fact. They are in the codex. You should read it if you haven't. They're right there, in the HQ section.

Sorry, I was meaning an overall master, such as a chapter master. Grand Masters are the equivalent of a captain. They aren't lead by a single figure because they never (or extremely rarely) fight as a whole, instead lending squads to where they are needed.

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Fifty wrote:Nisk Ran-Thawll. (Mentor Legion)

The guy has had a personal audience with the Emperor (in admittedly very old fluff, and even then it was only a rumour), has all of the coolest gear that exists, due to the Mentor Legion being a super-elite chapter that gets all of the best equipment (again, only in the old fluff, but who cares about the nonsense written in the latest codex about them anyway - that can't even get the chapter badge right in that) and his chapter has the most extensive combat epxerience of pretty much any chapter in existence due to going off to fight alongside other chapters, thereby learning all of the best tricks and knowing the most about every enemy and potential enemy of mankind (including renegade chapter masters) (again, only in old fluff, because some idiot did an about-face in the latest codex and completely changed their modus operandi)...

I would of thought an original legion would have the best knowledge of warfare from fighting for millennia and actually creating other chapters such as the Mentor Legion... From what I've read, they sound like a very static force, being stationed in a massive space hulk, though you do say the new codex is nonsense...

P.S, Don't the salamander's have the best wargear, from their primarch being an awesome blacksmith and to make up for their low numbers?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1468770.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1468770.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

fattyhasarrived wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:
fattyhasarrived wrote:There is no Grey Knight Grand Master, they are ultimately commanded by the Ordo Malleus.
....Yes there is. There are multiple, in fact. They are in the codex. You should read it if you haven't. They're right there, in the HQ section.

No, that's what a Brother Captain is. Grand Masters are the equivalents of Chapter Masters in rank. There are multiple because they are very spread out and are a significantly larger force than standard SM.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1468899.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1468899.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

crazypsyko666 wrote:

fattyhasarrived wrote:
crazypsyko666 wrote:
fattyhasarrived wrote:There is no Grey Knight Grand Master, they are ultimately commanded by the Ordo Malleus.
....Yes there is. There are multiple, in fact. They are in the codex. You should read it if you haven't. They're right there, in the HQ section.

Sorry, I was meaning an overall master, such as a chapter master. Grand Masters are the equivalent of a captain. They aren't lead by a single figure because they never (or extremely rarely) fight as a whole, instead lending squads to where they are needed.

They are more in between a captain and a chapter master, as they won't have as much power over their forces as a chapter master since there is more than one of them. But aren't there more space marines in a chapter than there are grey knights? Aren't there more Grand Masters because they are far more spread out?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1468996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1468996.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

fattyhasarrived wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:
fattyhasarrived wrote:
crazypsyko666 wrote:
fattyhasarrived wrote:There is no Grey Knight Grand Master, they are ultimately commanded by the Ordo Malleus.
....Yes there is. There are multiple, in fact. They are in the codex. You should read it if you haven't. They're right there, in the HQ section.

Sorry, I was meaning an overall master, such as a chapter master. Grand Masters are the equivalent of a captain. They aren't lead by a single figure because they never (or extremely rarely) fight as a whole, instead lending squads to where they are needed.
No, that's what a Brother Captain is. Grand Masters are the equivalents of Chapter Masters in rank. There are multiple because they are very spread out and are a significantly larger force than standard SM.

There are about 3,000 Grey Knights. A few posts ago I put the estimate of chapter masters between three and a dozen, and they are exactly like chapter masters. Trust me. They are. They're actually probably better, which is why they're disqualified.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1469232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1469232.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters
I've always wondered why they need more than one Grand Master even if they are so spread out. I mean the High Marshal of the Black Templars have managed what canon rumors to be a chapter of close to 6 thousand Marines. That and the Templars have accomplished feats equal to anything the Grey Knights have done which I sometimes don't get. Either GW has a massive stiffy for the Templars or they really are badass]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1497282.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1497282.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

Ichi wrote:Grey Knights Grand Masters are ridiculous. However I am going to disagree with the 3000 Grey Knights, theres nothing in any fluff/canon I have found that even says that. Most in fact would claim the Grey Knights are much smaller a force than a regular chapter.

I've always wondered why they need more than one Grand Master even if they are so spread out. I mean the High Marshal of the Black Templars have managed what canon rumors to be a chapter of close to 6 thousand Marines. That and the Templars have accomplished feats equal to anything the Grey Knights have done which I sometimes don't get. Either GW has a massive stiffy for the Templars or they really are badass

As for the 3000 GK, It's just because in Lexicanium I trust. It's unconfirmed, but they don't make anything up. If they put it up, i assume it's because someone with credibility has said it.

As for the Black Templar, I believe it's because despite there being a high marshall, the individual marshalls seem to have more power over their crusades, also they're significantly more condensed than a regular chapter, and their density of marines is higher per crusade, whereas the Grey Knights have a few scattered squads all over the galaxy.

I actually think the 3000 GK theory to be a logical one. They're constantly spread out all over the galaxy, entering small engagements and being given orders by inquisitors requesting assistance. It makes perfect sense that they would bulk up on units to have a larger presence over this gigantic celestial body that the Imperium governs and needs to defend. Also, Move Marine GKs don't seem to have a lot of casualties, and they can recruit from all over the galaxy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1497585.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1497585.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

Henners91 wrote:I say Kyras.

Yeah, loyalty to mah chapter.

Hands down.

Force weapon = even if he loses, he wins!

Scratch that I just realized Calgar has Eternal Warrior.

smurfs!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1497674.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1497674.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1497718.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1497718.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1498365.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283571/1498365.page GMT Battle of The Chapter Masters

Thelaugher wrote:A little bias...but Logan...he has been trained under one of the longest living tactical genius in the imperium( Bjorn)

I wonder if Bjorn counts, he used to be a Chapter Master.

If so I vote for him.

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