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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? Tac Squads. You can get more mobile Melta in an Assault Squad. Assault Squads are better at HtH. Assault Squads allow you to pick up transports at a 35 pt discount (somewhat offsetting the tactical loadout for a full 10 guys). Lastly, if its long range firepower you want, tacticals are outmatched by anything else that shoots in the entire codex.

Basically,unless scouts are your thing, there is only a single troops choice in the Blood Angel Codex, Assault Squads. I see NO reason to bring tacticals to a battle.

Tacticals cannot even equip Blood Angel Specific Wargear, such as the Infernus pistol. Assault Troopers can.

So....whats the point of Tacticals?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1400819.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1400819.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1400834.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1400834.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?

Gornall wrote:Bolters?

Hahahahahahaha! Bolters in an army that has furious charge everywhere! Hahahaha! Elite choice chaplains! Yukyuk! Mephiston! *choke/cough* Seth makes you suffer red thirst on a 1-3! Bwahaha! "I've got 3 Baal's and 3 Dakkapreds in my list, what else should I take? Ahhh, bolter-marines!" HahahahahaROFLMFAOBD!

"Bolters".....wow.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1400893.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1400893.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1400927.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1400927.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? Tac squads for almost the same cost in points. That being said, a 5 man Tac squad in a Rhino has its place for quickly taking/contesting objectives with the over charged engines...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401066.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401066.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?
Was it that hard to think of that?

Or, there are players that like having the tactical squad to bring some close cover fire to their assault elements that are still beefy in combat should they need to be/home base objective campers and defenders that can contribute to the fight outside of 12" and still score and still do well if htey need to charge?

Maybe, just maybe?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401134.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401134.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401149.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401149.page GMT Re:BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? BA Assault Squads are better than their tactical brethren, pretty much provably.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401152.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401152.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?
You disagree that there is a point to an objective camper that's not a lame duck/fish scouts?

I think it's naive to think there is no reason for a unit to exist in a codex, you can always find a legitimite role... it doesn't have to be 'bend your opponent over a chair and rape him' effective.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401213.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401213.page GMT Re:BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? OP is saying. You can play Tac Marines. You can win with them. Assault Marines are better. Given money and the desire to prevail, you would play with assault marines.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401227.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401227.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?

Gwar! wrote:You take 1 Squad to sit back and Hold an Objective.

In fact, bolters are good in a defensive mode.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401251.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401253.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401253.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? AM squad is that for 100 points you get five men but once you drop the jump packs and get the 35 point discount towards a transport the five men only cost 65 points. This means you have 13 point Assault Marines. Grey Hunters are 15 points a pop, so with the saved 10 points total you can buy a special weapon for the Assault Marines. The end result is very economically priced spammable 5man squads with meltas in fast Razorbacks. Once we add the fact that potentially just one 50 point Sanguinary Priest can give all of the AM squads feel no pain and furious charge (consider if you have 20 AM and one Sanguinary Priest every model pays only about 1 points per skill and the Sanguinary Priest is totally free), we might actually have found the strongest SM troops choice unit yet. They can bust tanks with the melta or infernus pistols, they have multiple S5 I5 attacks on the charge, are nearly as tough for holding objectives as Plague Marines, and drive around in a fast AV11 vehicle with TL plasmas and a lascannon. All in all a very versatile package for a scoring unit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401260.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401260.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? This sounds very promising.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401280.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401280.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?
You know, I was actually kind of excited about starting up a BA army, but I'm having second thoughts. Seeing that they're going to be pretty tough, I don't want to give the impression of just being a band wagon jumper :(]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401310.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401310.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? MEQ codex that comes out

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401345.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401345.page GMT Re:BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? AM's can have one special for each 5? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401355.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401355.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401370.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401370.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? BA is a new army so I don't see why GW would say "Lets just throw this in the list to make people not have to pay". I think the idea is that you should have the option of taking the tactical squad if you really want (comp scored and such). I can't see GW making a decision based on making less money then they could have. Hell, the only reason they're releasing more Space Marines instead of DE and Necrons is because more people will buy.

On a seperate and less negative note this gives me something to do with the CC weapon marines I've had from the last vanilla codex where I could use chapter traits. BA counts-as army here I come!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401394.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401394.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?

BA counts-as army here I come!!

That's the spirit...and in the future they can be very clean Chaos legion marines when their crazy rules come out.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401399.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401399.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401527.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401527.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?
Edit: Oh, and when they aren't flipping out shouting "BLOOD!" they have the same combat tactics that ultrasmurfs have, which is a neat rule.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401559.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401559.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?
Wrong.

Blood angles do not get Combat tactics at all! Red thrirst replaces ATSKNF with fearless and Fury.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401640.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1401640.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? BA list, I might consider taking one Tactical squad as a home objective holder, but I think that a Scout squad or Assault squad in Razorback would likely do a better job in this role.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1402173.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1402173.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?
That's like playing a Khornate CSM army and not wanting to take bezerkers. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1402214.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1402214.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? Tac Squads would be less.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1402230.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1402230.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1402236.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1402236.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?

Solorg wrote:Probably someone forgot to proofread the Dex. If they had, points on Tac Squads would be less.

Since when have GW ever proofread, well, anything?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1402250.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1402250.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? BA Tactical squads, or of AM squads taken as troops. If the points cost is equal or AM is actually less, then disregard the rest.

Tactical squads are about resilience. In most Space Marine forces, they are the cheapest Marines you can get. It's not about what they kill, it's about how they stand up to punishment. A Tactical squad is made for absorbing losses. There's 7 regular guys in every squad. Why? Extra wounds with no frills at a reasonable cost.

Being a scoring unit they WILL be targetted. Of the troop selections available, Tacticals are the hardest to kill for the points value. AMs are just as resilient, but more expensive (and not scoring for us Vanilla armies), Scouts are cheaper, but less resilient (arguable with the Camo Cloaks, but I say this because a Heavy Flamer removes them by the squad even so).

Tactical Marines are supposed to be the sweet spot of a) scoring, b) toughness, and c) flexibility. Killiness is not a priority for them, but an afterthought.

To relate it to another game, Tactical Squads are like Tanks in WoW or EQ. Their job is to soak up damage and remain effective. Doing so allows other, more specialized units, the freedom to operate.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1402271.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1402271.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?
It does seem that the blood angels tactical marines are to their assault marines what space wolf blood claws are to grey hunters.

Having bad blood claws didn't make the SW dex a fail, and bad tactical marines won't ruin the blood angel dex. Like Sanct was saying... it lets the guys play with their red painted bolter marines if they want to... or if they have no financial means to update to assault marines...

But it also naturally rewards players for playing their blood angels differently than space marines. That difference is vitally important in keeping the multitudes of power armored armies on the tables interesting.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1402299.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1402299.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?

AMs are just as resilient, but more expensive

I think you've missed my point. AM in small squads inside transports are not more expensive than Tactical Marines. They are cheaper.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1402326.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1402326.page GMT Re:BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?
If AMs are cheaper per model, then disregard the rest. My point was that usually, Tactical Marines are the cheapest power-armored troop per model; thereby, the obvious choice for tough scoring units made for taking a beating by squatting on an objective.

Does anyone have concrete costs who could throw together a couple of the mech MSUs and see which one comes out on top?

I'd like to see:

Tactical x 5 w/ Razorback
Tactical x 10 w/ Rhino

AM w/o JP x 5 Razorback
AM w/o JP x 10 Rhino

In the Vanilla codex, Assault Marines can drop the packs and get a Rhino (or Pod) for free, but the Razorback isn't an option.

If BA Assault Squads can drop packs and get a Razorback at all, that's a cool deal for them. As scoring troops, AM x 5 w/o packs w/ Razorback will probably be the new MSU of choice.

Also, does anyone know if BA Razorbacks are getting access to all the new turrets, especially the Stronos (LC + TL-PG)?
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1402602.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1402602.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1406841.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1406841.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?
In my opinion, I'll take tacticals as my core any day then add some assult squads to support them later on.

who knows, maby BA tactical sqauds will have the CCW,BP and Bolter combo.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1406873.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1406873.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?
Whats so versatile about tactical marines? For the same cost as 'long range support" you can just get a cheap razorback which provides the same.. Assault squads can have special weapons with 5 guys and what good is FC on tacticals if you plan on using them to shoot?

I have 7 tactical squads and I never plan on using them except in apoc.. Id even use assault squads to sit on objectives.. Why? Because the enemy has to get within 3" to capture it and THEN they'll do their thing]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1406885.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1406885.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?
Tactical Squads in the new Codex are pretty well equipped to hold objectives, and to thin down the lines of melee specialist armies, like Genestealer Broods and so on. Aside from that, it seems Assault Squads can do everything better.

I will say that Tactical Squads aren't necessarily a bad choice for the new Codex, so people who have them already won't feel like they're completely useless, but compared to other Chapters, there's not much space for them in BA when Assault Squads are so versatile now.

...which is why I ordered another Assault Squad tonight

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1406921.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1406921.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? msu approach, that is why people dont like tactical squads. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1406950.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1406950.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?
If there is an objective in the back, then your assault weapons, furious charge, and extra attacks mean nothing. All the advantages of assault marines are essentially unused. Especially if you're facing a shooty army whose strategy is to try to contest instead of assault.

In that case, wouldn't it make more sense to have a tactical squad with a razorback?

Considering that 2 out of 3 missions are objectives, it seems very sensible to take at least 1 tactical squad.

Also, range is not to be underestimated. I understand that yes, razorbacks are the ranged shooting. With the fast rule, the razobacks can move and shoot. But if the razorback dies, you have 12" range. Razorbacks aren't hard to kill.

An assault squad puts out 27 attacks on the charge. Hits 13.5 times, and does 9 wounds. After saves, it'll be 3 wounds.

A tactical squad puts out 18 attacks on the charge. Does 9 hits, and does 6 wounds. After saves, it'll be 2 wounds.

Hmm...I'm underwhelmed. I think I'll keep my bolter and heavy weapon.

Tacticals cost as the same as codex space marines. The BA rhino costs the same as a space marine one with extra armor. The BA razoback is 5 points more than a rhino.

The assault marines cost the same as codex space marines, but if they remove their jump packs they get a 35 point discount to any transport of choice. Meltaguns cost the same as a marine for them, so that's a little more expensive. If it's a 10 man squad, you can buy 2 special weapons. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1407734.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1407734.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? Tac squads are great for holding objectives and table corners. Some people just like to use tac squads because they have good weapon up-grades.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1408798.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1408798.page GMT Re:BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? tac swuads, but i could never use them right, then again... i never played objective missions... i much prefer kill everything ones

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1409158.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1409158.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? BA, nor do I plan to, but for me the difference between Tac Squads and Assault Squads is range, and ablative wounds.

24" bolter range is huge compared to the 12" range of a bolt pistol as a DEFENSIVE weapon. You get about two more turns of shooting against non-mech units with a bolter than you do with a bolt pistol. Heck, you might never get a shot off on incoming units when armed with a bolt pistol. At best, you get one. And if you're holding an objective in the late-game stages, charging your attacker is not always a smart choice. Say, bottom of Turn Five? You charge off that objective, lock up with your opponent, and the game ends. Oops, you abandoned your post and lost the game by one objective. Whereas with the Tac Squad, you could have Rapid Fired and fired out that heavy weapon, put a heavy dent in the opposition, and possibly forced a Morale check. You at least thinned their numbers enough to make surviving a charge feasible.

I'm personally a fan of 10-man units. I take my Vanilla Assault Squads at 10 men, with max specials and an upgraded sergeant. I like ablative wounds, those mooks with bp/ccw who you can toss away to power weapon hits. Same for Tac Marines. I have 7 bolters to toss away before I lose any major punch with my squad. Min/Max 5-man squads just don't do it for me. Razorbacks are just too easy to slow down or kill outright, that I don't feel like they're a reliable delivery method for close-combat specialists. Especially since you have to sit around for a turn before you can get out and charge.

The two units do vastly different things, so comparing them is really kind of pointless.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1410869.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1410869.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? IMHO are going to harken back to 3rd edition BA. Tactical squads in rhinos. Why? Because with bolters you still have a decent stand off range. The Str5 powerweapon on the Sgt. will be more useful than the PF...or if attached with a SHP, keep the PF and the utility of the unit is still pretty wicked. Essentially, you are getting the best of both worlds. That being said, I do see assault marines being used as well. But for me I'd rather have the ability to extend my firepower 24" if I had the option. It's not like other units in the codex can't get it done in the assault phase.

The thing that pisses me off is how much like BA are now compared to Templars. I'd like to see what GW is going to do with them to make them different. BA do everything the Templars can do now, but cheaper and get better transports. It's BS.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1411111.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1411111.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? tac squad in codex so BAs dun get kicked out of the Adeptus Astartes]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1411419.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1411419.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads?

CaptKaruthors wrote:The thing that pisses me off is how much like BA are now compared to Templars. I'd like to see what GW is going to do with them to make them different. BA do everything the Templars can do now, but cheaper and get better transports. It's BS.

Why do you say that? Can you give me some examples or rules? I am just curious!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1412214.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1412214.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? FC & PE) due to the proximity of the older versions of Dante & Corbulo. Assault squads I gave up on. They were only better in assault due to the extra attacks. A lot of enemy units could & did beat them down quickly. The tactical Marine was much better at holding objectives plus the lascannon & meltagun had it's perks as well. Now that assault squads can take flamers and meltaguns plus the infernus pistol all in one unit l think they will be much more viable again. It's always nice to have a couple more lascannons though. I am thinking that if a character joins the squads and they ride in a rhino you'll have to forgoe one of the meltaguns. To me the rhinos are definitely the best option for mobility. You can't fire the meltas out of the hatch of a razorback and jump infantry to vulnerable to shooting.

G]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1412376.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1412376.page GMT BLOOD ANGELS: What is the point of Tactical Squads? IG style Assault Marines are still the way to go. They are your 'clean up' force after the enemy makes it across the field after being pummeled by your six preds and 3+ razorbacks.

I plan to run Corbulo in a unit of TH/SS terminators in a pod just to thrown down on my opponents side of the field to help slow down that process of them making it to my side. (And apparently he can re-roll the die to go first).

Most of the heavy weapons they would be shooting down range to pop my tanks will have to be spent on the terminators.

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Why do you say that? Can you give me some examples or rules? I am just curious!

I think it has something to do with BP/CCW Marines riding in dedicated Land Raiders that are better then the BTs one. Basically the BT lost the only thing that kept BT unique. BT pays the same points for their transports that BA do, but BA get's the fast rule.

All is not entirely lost for the BT, they still are the only codex that has access to veteran skills, and preferred enemy is army wide, but it is understandable for BT players to bemoan the loss of the things that kept them unique especially from a codex that can do the same things for cheaper.

I used tactical squads in my PDF army. I had two full squads in rhinos with power fist/lascannon/meltagun. They were the core of my army and great at holding objectives. They were also good in assault (FC & PE) due to the proximity of the older versions of Dante & Corbulo. Assault squads I gave up on. They were only better in assault due to the extra attacks. A lot of enemy units could & did beat them down quickly. The tactical Marine was much better at holding objectives plus the lascannon & meltagun had it's perks as well. Now that assault squads can take flamers and meltaguns plus the infernus pistol all in one unit l think they will be much more viable again. It's always nice to have a couple more lascannons though. I am thinking that if a character joins the squads and they ride in a rhino you'll have to forgoe one of the meltaguns. To me the rhinos are definitely the best option for mobility. You can't fire the meltas out of the hatch of a razorback and jump infantry to vulnerable to shooting.

I agree, Tacticals where the best troop choice in the PDF. When I played BA under the PDF rules, I would hardly ever touch the assault squad.

Access to Heavy Weapons and Locator beacons is why you take tactical squads in the new codex. Being able to precision strike things on top of the enemy in this codex is huge, especially when we are talking about Rhino's that can move 18" and pop smoke.

Tacticals are still a very strong "stable" scoring unit. Assault Squads are front line troops. Tactical Squads are more reactionary and meant to sit on objectives.

The more I think about it, the more I think that a strong mix of both will be the more competitive flexible option.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1413025.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283587/1413025.page GMT