<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Chaos space marine tactics?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Chaos space marine tactics?
1 Abaddon 1 Daemon Prince 1 Chaos lord 5 Possessed marines 20 berzerkers 25 chaos space marines 1 Rhino 1 Vindicator 5 terminators 2 Obliterators

And thats all the units i have available.

So I am wondering what you think the strengths of my army are. My most common enemy is my friend who plays necrons. He almost always uses a monolith, 5 pariahs+a lord with a warscythe, and nightbringer. What are some things i could do to limit the damage done by those units? Anyway, are there any glaring weaknesses of my army? And in order of importance what models should I get. Thanks for all the help, an answer to any of these questions would be much appreciated!
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283710/1402753.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283710/1402753.page GMT Re:Chaos space marine tactics?
Abaddon isnt going to be much good unless you have a 2000+ list, and even then he's a pointsink.

You have a lord and DP which can be a good combo, but most people recommend 2x DPs or 2x sorc/lord.

5 possessed are certainly not everyone's favorite unit and I personally find them to be far overpriced unless you roll power weapons.

You have a nice core of troops with plenty of berzerkers and regular csms(I hope you have lots of special weapons in those squads, namely melta).

You only have 1 rhino which isn't going to be much good (if you only have 1-2 vehicles , especially rhinos which are very weakly armored, your enemy can focus all of his anti-tank on them and they will drop quickly allowing their occupants to be shot to pieces before reaching their destination).

1 vindicator isn't a lot of good with so few vehicles and most recommend taking 2 vindicators to support each other and add more armor to split the enemies fire between.

5 terminators by themselves aren't bad, but they should have lots of combi weapons(probably melta here as well) and you should have some chosen/raptors/bikers with icons to get to the enemy quickly and allow the terms to deep strike in where they are needed as fast as possible.

2 obliterators aren't bad, but I would recommend getting either more of them or some havocs to fill out your heavy support selections.

As far as help battling the necrons...

You need to decide what you want to do about the monolith first of all. You can either try to ignore it and focus on wiping out the necron warriors(and other units that count for phasing out) or you can take down the monolith with lots of fire to knock out a big chunk of points and mobility from his army. After that you shouldnt have a major problem with his army. Kill his lord asap and the warriors should be easy to clean up with your berzerkers/terms.

A basic list you might consider would be something around a DP /w wings + warptime + maybe MoN or MoT (protection until he gets in melee range, which shouldnt take long). 3-5 terms with combi-melta to deep strike in on top of a csm squad with icon (or berzerkers in rhino with p. icon). A few squads of berzerkers or regular csm or a mix (the sooner you get into close combat the better which is why more rhinos is recommended). Vindicator, oblits , and some regular csm with missile launchers as heavy support to blast some holes in the monolith/warriors.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283710/1402783.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283710/1402783.page GMT Chaos space marine tactics?
rodt777 wrote:
1 Abaddon 1 Daemon Prince 1 Chaos lord 5 Possessed marines 20 berzerkers 25 chaos space marines 1 Rhino 1 Vindicator 5 terminators 2 Obliterators


Making an army out of this list, i would focus on something like this.

8-10 Berzerkers in a Rhino, Power Fist on the Skull Champion.
10 CSMs, 2 Plasmaguns, IoCG.
10 CSMs, 2 Meltaguns, IoCG, Power Fist on the A. Champion
2 Obliterators
5 Terminators, 4 Combi-Melta, Heavy Flamer, Power Fist, Chain Fist
Daemon Prince, Wings, Warptime

If points allow, Vindicator with D. Possession.

Basic plan of the army is to plant the Plasma CSMs on an objective and provide fire support. The Berzerkers ride in the Rhino and hopefully get to assault something. The Melta CSMs run behind the Berzerkers Rhino and/or Vindicator and use it for cover. Obliterators hide in cover and blast enemy armor (Lascannons) or enemy infantry (Plasma Cannon). Terminators deepstrike in (hopefully off an Icon) and lay waste to a tank. Then they go around assaulting things. Daemon Princes goes after enemy armor (the less the target moves the better).

What you really need to make your army more successful is additional Rhinos. 1 more at a bare minimum.

Remember that Chaos plays best in the short game, try to get close (with 12") and you should be at your strongest. Play aggressively but play smart, use cover. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283710/1402794.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283710/1402794.page GMT Chaos space marine tactics? HQ you reccommend? Also what do i do about the nighbringer im pretty much defenseless against it and thats the main reason i use abaddon, to counter the nightbringer and hope that blood feeder doesn't fail me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283710/1402816.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283710/1402816.page GMT Re:Chaos space marine tactics? ID your lord even easier), or you could try the 4x autocannon route. He isn't fast in any way, and most of his strength lies in being within 6" of a unit. Pound him from afar with autocannons (str 7, 48", 2 shots per weapon). A squad of 5 havocs gets 12 str 7 shots and regardless of his strong statline some of those are going to get through. Even if it takes 2 rounds of shooting he will go down and a 155 pt unit will kill a nearly 360pt unit before he ever gets to do anything. This of course doesnt take into account what the rest of his army will be doing or terrain/etc he could hug, but I think massed volume of shots from range is your best shot at taking him down without sacrificing your own units.

If you really want to kill the monolith the vindicators are a great choice as they are ordnance and thus still roll 2d6 to penetrate. I don't usually recommend them otherwise because they can be made useless by a weapon destroyed roll (only having one real weapon), but in this case they might just do the trick. The main issue I see with this route is that while you need to be within 24" to fire on the monolith, it can also fire its particle whip within that range and it can easily pop your vindis with it (9str + (roll 2d6, take highest)), not to mention the nightbringer being well able to pop your vindis.

You might also consider buying a pair of defilers (longer range and still ordnance but -1 str) or some lascannon preds (expensive and need 5's to glance, 6 to pen).


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283710/1402954.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283710/1402954.page GMT Chaos space marine tactics? str 4 on blissgiver can't hurt T8, so that's moot.

Focus on the 'necrons', them going down is leading to a better ending IMO.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283710/1403067.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283710/1403067.page GMT Chaos space marine tactics?
Sanctjud wrote:str 4 on blissgiver can't hurt T8, so that's moot.



Good call, but that's just one more reason to go with the long ranged killing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283710/1403079.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283710/1403079.page GMT Chaos space marine tactics?
rodt777 wrote:So heres what my full army consists of:

1 Abaddon 1 Daemon Prince 1 Chaos lord 5 Possessed marines 20 berzerkers 25 chaos space marines 1 Rhino 1 Vindicator 5 terminators 2 Obliterators

And thats all the units i have available.



It's a decent foundation.
Abaddon is too expensive in a low point game, but you could use him as an aspiring champion or regular chaos lord in lower point games. Either way I would just teleport him in with the terminators.
You can buy melta and plasma gun as bits from GW to convert what you have into special weapons.
What you really need is more Rhinos.
If you want to run 20 berzerkers it's best done in 2 squads of 10 with rhinos backed up by 2 squads of CSMs with melta guns in Rhinos. Give the Zerkers personal Icons, and the CSM IOCG]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283710/1403192.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283710/1403192.page GMT Chaos space marine tactics? I agree, range is the easiest way, but the tools available are not ideal, as mentioned before.

A squad of 5 havocs gets 12 str 7 shots

I might be missing something here, shouldn't it be just 8 shots?
4 x 2 = 8.

So, for 2 turns of shooting, they would have 16 shots, 10-11 hits, 3 ish wounds, and then 1.5 wounds.
On average they would take over 4 turns to bring them down them selves.

It's only when you invest in 2 of such havoc squads who are unmolested those two turns to bring him down in that time frame.

Which means paying 310 to down 360 in 2 turns...which is still economical, but not as crazy as the numbers you put down IMO.
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@OP:

In addition, combat is:
-unhealthy for your guys.
-and it's really up to the C'Tan if they want to be in combat or not...

So it's:
-Autocannon them to death.
-Gift them if you are lucky enough to be in range and roll that 6.
-Spend time/resources killing other stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283710/1403735.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/283710/1403735.page GMT