<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "1,500 Point Thousand Sons "]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 1,500 Point Thousand Sons
Deamon Prince - Wings, MoT, Wind of Chaos, Doombolt

9 TS - Sorc, Wind of Chaos, Rhino

9 TS - Sorc, Doombolt, Rhino

9 TS - Sorc, Doombolt, Rhino

2 Oblit's

2 Oblit's

This is list i was thinking about. Not sure what else to add really i like the idea of "9" for the TS squads due to it been Tzeentch's number.

Please can i have suggestions.

Thanks ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1412838.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1412838.page GMT 1,500 Point Thousand Sons http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1412844.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1412844.page GMT 1,500 Point Thousand Sons http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1412903.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1412903.page GMT 1,500 Point Thousand Sons http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1412908.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1412908.page GMT Re:1,500 Point Thousand Sons
I think i should be ok for Anti tank with oblit's. the TS champs only have 1 power one has wind of chaos and the other two have doombolt.

Not sure what else i would like to take really. Any suggestions.

Was thinking about 3 terminator champs as a squad???? another squad of TS's????? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1412978.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1412978.page GMT 1,500 Point Thousand Sons Again, I disagree on the BoC suggestion, it's not decent at what it does.

@Ventriss:

Prince: I highly suggest the "205" DP.
Wind of Chaos + Warp Time, the first money shot you get to flame will give you tickles all over...

TS squads are decent, though I don't personally like them with respect to competitive gaming.

Oblits are decent, but with a mechanized look, maybe armored heavy is where you want to look to.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1413053.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1413053.page GMT Re:1,500 Point Thousand Sons
Well funny you should say that regards DP i have now changed my list to do incoparate this DP set up.

I am now thinking along the lines of

DP - Wind, Warp, Wings, MoT

8 Choosen - 5 Metla Guns, MoT (Outflanking)

8 TS + Asp Sorc - Doombolt, Rhino

8 TS + Asp Sorc - Doombolt, Rhino

8 TS + Asp Sorc - Doombolt, Rhino

2 Oblit's

2 Oblit's

May have some points over but was very late and cant remember all points costs of top of my head. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1415632.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1415632.page GMT 1,500 Point Thousand Sons I think it looks decent otherwise.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1416026.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1416026.page GMT Re:1,500 Point Thousand Sons http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1416065.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1416065.page GMT 1,500 Point Thousand Sons http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1416339.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1416339.page GMT 1,500 Point Thousand Sons Just to make them more viable, they would need a rhino. The 'actual' threat range would just be 12" from the short board edge if the 2D6 is what you need.

Crazy short.

With the rhino, they get the 12" move, 2" disembark, 1" base, 6" range of 2D6 for a total of 21" threat range for the 2D6 or 27" for just regular armor pen.

A world of a difference IMO.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1416455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1416455.page GMT 1,500 Point Thousand Sons DP and Oblits will shoot the crap out of anything that rolls.

Sanctjud is correct about the rhinos. IMO everything needs rhinos. Put your rhinos in rhinos. Those things are golden.

Use your group of Tzeench marked madmen running around in your opponent's deployment zone with tank killing guns to distract him from the fact that you have tanks full of soulless killers running pell mell at his lines. If you use them as a blitz unit to run in and cause a big ruckus, and then use that ruckus to get the rest of your army into place while your opponent reacts, that should work out rather well for you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1417436.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1417436.page GMT Re:1,500 Point Thousand Sons Does that add up to 1500? My 1500 point list is:

Daemon Prince 180 Mark of Tzeentch, Wings, Wind of Chaos

Sorcerer 70 Doombolt
8x Thousand Son 184
Rhino 35

Sorcerer 70 Doombolt
8x Thousand Son 184
Rhino 35

Sorcerer 70 Doombolt
8x Thousand Son 184
Rhino 35

3x Obliterator 225

3x Obliterator 225

1497 points

It looks like you've got room for another Obliterator, at least.

Was looking at the first post. Most recent list is filled out, looks good.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1417449.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1417449.page GMT Re:1,500 Point Thousand Sons
I am going to put the choosen in a rhino as advised just to give them more tactical viablity.

I am quite tempted to drop them though in place of something else but not sure what. I am quite liking the idea of taking a vindi but not sure.

I think that even though i only have 3 scoring units once the TS's are on an objective they are not going to be going anywhere! 3+ save and 4+ invu thank you very much! haha

What about taking Possessed? Unit of 9 maybe with MoT? In place of Choosen?

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1418138.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1418138.page GMT 1,500 Point Thousand Sons Most will tell you no to the possessed, but if you are running a Dust Bucket list, chances are you won't care for maximum cost effective options, so possessed are decent.
But missing out on all that melta action is a big issue.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1418509.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1418509.page GMT 1,500 Point Thousand Sons MoT those guys are going to stick around for a while with a 4++ save.

The downside is that you loose a big chunk of the anti-vehicle threat that the Chosen bring to the table. It isn't terrible, since you still have Oblits and your DP, just keep in mind what you lose, and deploy to correct your weaknesses.

If you do go with some Possessed I would suggest pairing them with your DP. Those two units can hold a flank all by themselves, and it makes any opponents on that flank have to really think about which one they want to shoot. It also helps that if they are deployed this way, there are no bad rolls on the chart. The DP can keep up if they get any of the movement abilities, and any of the CC tricks are just going to help you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1418816.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1418816.page GMT 1,500 Point Thousand Sons
Make sense?
They are the army that had most of their dudes turn to dust to STOP mutation.

If anything, it would seem like fluff kill...

It is terrible IMO.
DPs only do AT in combat, and Oblits will be over taxed in the AT department, which is not really their primary purpose >12".

There is only ONE bad combination with the possessed: Scouts and Dawn of War, otherwise, yes, everything is good (just the points are on the heavy side).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1418855.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1418855.page GMT Re:1,500 Point Thousand Sons
DP - WT, WoC, MoT and Wings

8 Choosen Marines - 5 Melta Guns, Rhino, Champion with Power fist.

9 Thousand Son's - Sorc, Doombolt, rhino

9 Thousand Son's - Sorc, Doombolt, rhino

9 Thousand Son's - Sorc, Doombolt, rhino

2 x Oblit's

2 x Oblit's

If i have enough points going to have 3 Termi Champ's with combi weapons and MoT.

All done? What do you think??]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1418998.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1418998.page GMT Re:1,500 Point Thousand Sons
EDIT: That Chosen squad is gonna cost you 264 points if I count right, putting you 151 points over.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1419027.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1419027.page GMT Re:1,500 Point Thousand Sons TS list I would advise dropping out one of your TS + Rhino troop choices and load in

2x 10 Lesser Deamon

The reasoning is that though they do not take up troop slots they act as troops otherwise. This will give you Assault Marine stat lines with 5+ inv. They Assault off the deep strike and will give you 30 attacks on the charge. Just what you need after softening up a unit with your TS.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1420115.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1420115.page GMT Re:1,500 Point Thousand Sons
@ Rajak - Ahh thats a good plan with regards that done you need to have the icons for daemons to turn up effectively?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1420759.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1420759.page GMT 1,500 Point Thousand Sons Dust Buckets have access to personal icons, and I like the Lesser Daemons option, it adds much needed counter attack or tarpit the Dust Buckets need.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1421136.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1421136.page GMT Re:1,500 Point Thousand Sons http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1421423.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1421423.page GMT Re:1,500 Point Thousand Sons http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1421432.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1421432.page GMT 1,500 Point Thousand Sons
Outflanking has its ups and downs, but it's better than nothing.

It's a Thousand Sons list... 'issues' come with it ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1421728.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1421728.page GMT 1,500 Point Thousand Sons
HQ
1 Daemon Prince w/ mark of tzeentch, wings, warptime

Elite
3 Terminators w/ combi-meltas

Troops
8 Thousand Sons
1 Sorcerer w/ doom bolt, melta bombs
1 rhino w/ combi-melta

8 Thousand Sons
1 Sorcerer w/ doom bolt, melta bombs
1 rhino w/ combi-melta

8 Thousand Sons
1 Sorcerer w/ doom bolt, melta bombs
1 rhino w/ combi-melta

Heavy Support
2 Obliterators
2 Obliterators


Or you could beef up your powers a bit and just go with something like this.


HQ
1 Daemon Prince w/ mark of tzeentch, wings, warptime, breath of chaos

Troops
8 Thousand Sons
1 Sorcerer w/ winds of chaos, melta bombs
1 rhino w/ combi-melta

8 Thousand Sons
1 Sorcerer w/ winds of chaos, melta bombs
1 rhino w/ combi-melta

8 Thousand Sons
1 Sorcerer w/ winds of chaos, melta bombs
1 rhino w/ combi-melta

Heavy Support
2 Obliterators
2 Obliterators

I highly recommend spending the 5 points per sorcerer for the melta bombs. And the combi-melta's on the rhino's give you a little more tank punch.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1421741.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1421741.page GMT Re:1,500 Point Thousand Sons
Drop The Rhinos, Obliterators, and Terminators

Add 2x Land Raiders as your Transports

The Why? At armor 14 with 2x TL Lascannons and a Heavy Bolter for 220 will let you roll up and onto objetives and sit there. I have found that yes you get a save from everything but often your opponent can force enough saves to negate your 4+ Inv. Once your TS are out in the open they will draw a lot of fire. Rhinos at armor 11 can get pen'd by any strength 6+ weapon. You need the protection of a vehicle until you are ready to fire and wipe your target which is why Lesser deamons are so important they are the CC blockers to keep your TS firing. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1422065.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1422065.page GMT 1,500 Point Thousand Sons
With TS(the troops) in 2 giant baskets...tough, but makes target priority easy for the opponent (which is bad, with respect to fighting against a balanced list).

Even when they are delivered to shooting/slow charging, the output just isn't that great should the opponent see this and actually stick to cover or their mobile cover.

It warrents a try, but I think 1 raider and 2 squads beside it and one more CSM melta squad could do the trick...


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I mean, if we are changing things up one could always just use plague marines and call them Thousand Sons ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1422094.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1422094.page GMT 1,500 Point Thousand Sons
Sanctjud wrote:Well, the issue is, for the points invested you could have a pred or oblits, and then maximize target saturation.

With TS(the troops) in 2 giant baskets...tough, but makes target priority easy for the opponent (which is bad, with respect to fighting against a balanced list).

Even when they are delivered to shooting/slow charging, the output just isn't that great should the opponent see this and actually stick to cover or their mobile cover.

It warrents a try, but I think 1 raider and 2 squads beside it and one more CSM melta squad could do the trick...


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I mean, if we are changing things up one could always just use plague marines and call them Thousand Sons


TS are always priority targets. You can not field 44 AP 3 shots (2 TS Squads with Doombolt) and not have your opponent target them. Killing Rhinos is the fastest way to bog this army down. With 5th ed there are plenty of ways to do it. With the Land Raiders yes they are big baskets but Armor 14 means only a Melta, Vindicator, Lascannon, Brightlances, Chainfist, Krak Missiles, and the like are your only real fear. Melta and Lascannons are more common but still easier for you to target and destroy the few that are fielded than deal with the plentiful Str 6-7 weapon that litter the field. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1422171.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1422171.page GMT Re:1,500 Point Thousand Sons
Thinking of a change in army list going for 2K now and something along the lines of

Chaos Lord - Terminator armour, Daemon Weapon, MoT, Combi Melta

Chaos Sorcerer - Terminator armour, Combi Melta, MoT, Doombolt, Wind of Chaos

3 x Terminator Champions - 3 x Combi Melta's, 1 x Power Fists, IoT. Landraider

3 x Terminator Champions - 3 x Combi Melta's, 1 X Power Fists, IoT, Landraider

9 x Thousand Son's - Doombolt, Sorcerer, Rhino, Combi Melta

9 x Thousand Son's - Doombolt, Sorcerer, Rhino, Combi Melta

9 x Thousand Son's - Doombolt, Sorcerer, Rhino, Combi Melta]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1427898.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1427898.page GMT 1,500 Point Thousand Sons
44 shots yields 7 meq deaths as cover save is something easy to get.
That's how many points?

No, the output is low when cover is taken into account and it's not hard to have cover, either through terrain, or rhinos.
Hence my suggestion for Wind of Chaos.
Doom bolt is to keep costs low, while Wind of Chaos is there to really reap the kills.

At the least with a rhino, you have points for other elements...once you lose the LR you lose the ride and the fire support.

@Ventriss:
The 2000 looks neat...though termie squad w/ ICs are kinda underwhelming.
And the oppurtunity cost of the LR to actually contribute in ranged AT suppression sucks.

Melta and Lascannons are more common but still easier for you to target and destroy the few that are fielded than deal with the plentiful Str 6-7 weapon that litter the field. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1428237.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1428237.page GMT Re:1,500 Point Thousand Sons
@Rajak:

44 shots yields 7 meq deaths as cover save is something easy to get.
That's how many points?

No, the output is low when cover is taken into account and it's not hard to have cover, either through terrain, or rhinos.
Hence my suggestion for Wind of Chaos.
Doom bolt is to keep costs low, while Wind of Chaos is there to really reap the kills.

At the least with a rhino, you have points for other elements...once you lose the LR you lose the ride and the fire support.


You are right of course how ever just from my experience that fact never stopped any of my opponents from popping my Rhinos early to make me slog. It has only been through my Terminators and lesser daemons that have given my Rhinos any true cover. As fire support goes I have lost many predator to Marbo, scout bike with Melta, and random Krak Missile hit on turn 2 to make it worthless. Obliteraters are an option and have seen them work but they have to slog like the rest of the army. The Land Raiders are a risk but the tactic comes not from mathhammer but from playing and seeing what my opponents target first. The Order is the following

1. Vindicator
Why? Str 10 Large Blast

2. TS Rhinos
Why? To make them Slog. Other than a 4+ inv they are standard marines and will die to bolter fire all the same. Not to mention 2/3 of games are capture so troop killing is a priority.

3. Terminators
Why? In my army they are heavy hitters able to soak heavy fire and destroy key vehicles, and assault key units.

One thing to keep in mind here is that when you field a lot of vehicles you are deploying no more than 5 or so units @ 2000pts this does not give your opponent a lot of options in shooting. In the following list TS list there are 5 Vehicles. 3 Rhinos and 2 Land Raiders what are you going to shoot first the Land Raider or the Rhino. You know if he moves the Land Raider it can only fire one main weapon. If he moves the Rhino same thing applies. But what is the point of shooting the Land Raider when popping the rhino is more beneficial. These comments are just from my experience with my army.

@Ventriss
You may want to think about dropping the Sorcerer for more anti horde weapons like Havoc Launchers or a Vindicator. Also if you are going to Land Raider up your Terminators just give them Lightning Claws And make them Aspiring Champions for the extra attack. So they will have 3 base +1 for AC +1 Paired CCW = 5 attacks each with rerolls. Do not underestimate lesser deamons if you drop one TS and Rhino you can fit 2 group of 10. This will give you 4 troops to hold objectives. But the list is looking good.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1428887.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1428887.page GMT Re:1,500 Point Thousand Sons
I really want to keep the sorcerer in as i feel it is part of the fluff. I might drop the second Terminator squad (Sorc Bodyguard) and LR and take 2 oblits and Vindicator???]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1430473.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/284387/1430473.page GMT