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				<description><![CDATA[ i am just starting to get into <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> and decided to go with the dark angels deathwing. here is my first shot at an army list please give me some feedback of what you think.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>: Belial- 130<br /> <br /> Troop: Terminators-220<br />            Sergant with Power sword/storm bolter,X2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>, X1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>, x1 Heavy Flamer<br /> <br /> Troop: Terminators-240<br />            Sergant with power sword/Storm bolter, X1 chainfist, x1 cyclone missile launcher<br /> <br /> troop: Terminators-250<br />            Sergant with power sword/Storm bolter, X1 Chainfist, X1 Assault cannon<br /> <br /> troop: Terminators-250<br />            Sergant with power sword/Storm bolter, X1 Chainfist, X1 Assault cannon<br /> <br /> Elite: Venerable Dreadnought-160<br />          With Flamer <br /> <br /> Heavy Support: <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> Crusader-250<br /> <br /> Total-1500  <br /> <br /> not sure if i should go with the assault cannon or twin linked autocannon on the dread. any advice overall would be greatly appreciated<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<title>1500 pt Deathwing (first army)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Well, I'd reconsider the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(261);'>LRC</span>. <br /> Its the only fast unit in your army while the rest cannot keep up with it.<br /> I'd give the first <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> unit a cyclone, drop the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(261);'>LRC</span>, and add either a Tactical unit with lascannon or a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(744);'>RW</span> Bike squadron with 2 meltas. <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:27:46]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ wuestenfux]]></author>
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				<title>Re:1500 pt Deathwing (first army)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(261);'>LRC</span> is good for a spearhead, but a bit out of place for the rest of the army. <br /> <br /> I'd also get more <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> for your terminators. The 3+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(162);'>Inv</span> save makes them really hard to kill and they're like powerfists, but better. Then again, that's my personal choice.  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:17:44]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Lord Rogukiel]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Read codex, then give advice <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0">. Deathwng does not have a 3++ Shield.<br /> <br /> Need to take an apot in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(261);'>LRC</span> squad. Its the best pice of equipment in the codex. Escpecially since it can negate a failed cover save on your <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(261);'>LRC</span>...<br /> <br /> I would drop one termie squad and take a second <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(261);'>LRC</span>. <br />  <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:13:57]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ tedurur]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>tedurur wrote:</cite>Read codex, then give advice <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0">. Deathwng does not have a 3++ Shield.<br /> <br /> Need to take an apot in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(261);'>LRC</span> squad. Its the best pice of equipment in the codex. Escpecially since it can negate a failed cover save on your <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(261);'>LRC</span>...<br /> <br /> I would drop one termie squad and take a second <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(261);'>LRC</span>. <br />  <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This is the best advice in this thread. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(261);'>LRC</span>'s are GREAT and the mobility, armor, and weapons will do a lot to overcome your severe numbers advantage. Put two of your term squads in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(261);'>LRCs</span>, plan on deepstriking the other. <br /> <br /> I play against a good Deathwing player, and his dread(s) have twin-linked autocannons giving him more ranged attack. Also, he seems to have more lightning claws and heavy flamers in his mix, giving his terminators more of an "all comers" feel. The chainfists are nasty, though, so keep those. <br /> <br /> I tip my cap to you, though. Deathwing is a hard army to win consistently with. For a first army, be prepared to take some lumps. But learn from them, play smart and tactically, and you should improve. Good luck!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:46:04]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Skarboy]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Alright thanks for the feed back! when i first looked to make my 1500 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> i was going to use 2LRC so i think i will go with them. and i think i will add another <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span> into each of my other squads. so here is what i have now.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>: Belial- 130 <br /> <br /> Troop: Terminators-220 <br /> Sergant with Power sword/storm bolter,X2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>, X1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>, x1 Heavy Flamer <br /> <br /> Troop: Terminators-240 <br /> Sergant with power sword/Storm bolter, X1 chainfist, x1 cyclone missile launcher, X1LC<br /> <br /> troop: Terminators-250 <br /> Sergant with power sword/Storm bolter, X1 Chainfist, X1 Assault cannon, X1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span> <br />  <br /> Elite: Venerable Dreadnought-160 <br /> With Flamer <br /> <br /> Heavy Support: <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> Crusader-250 <br /> <br /> Heavy support: <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(261);'>LRC</span>-250<br /> <br /> Total-1500 <br /> <br /> i think this is what i am going to go with. i will prob have belial with twin <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LCs</span> and have him n the first squad.<br /> <br /> i am really looking forward to the challange with my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> army, the lack of numbers is what kind of what got me hooked on the army. i know i have a challange ahead of me and i am looking forward to it.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:42:30]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ ral606]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Space Wolves Loganwing instead of Deathwing would be a better choice. Then all your termies get great weapon options and updated wargear.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:48:32]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm glad I'm not the only person starting Deathwing armies ^_^ Anyway this is my list.<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>: Belial -130<br /> <br /> Elites: 5 Man Scout Squad - 100<br /> Sniper Rifles<br /> <br /> Troops: Deathwing Terminators - 280<br /> 4 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span><br /> Heavy Flamer Chain fist<br /> Apothecary<br /> Banner<br /> <br /> Troops: Deathwing Terminators - 235<br /> Sarge <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span><br /> Cyclone launcher - 20<br /> <br /> Troops: Deathwing Terminators - 250<br /> Chain fist<br /> Assault Cannon<br /> <br /> Heavy Support<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(261);'>LRC</span> - 250<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(261);'>LRC</span> - 250 <br /> <br /> <br /> Scouts with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> 4 is quite useful <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:07:04]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Zarake]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ do the scouts work pretty well? its just going to be my pref that i am not going to have anything other than Termis dreds and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> (at least at first), but thats just my pref. i plan In putting  a command squad similar to yours for 1750. but overall i like you army and let me know how it plays.<br /> <br /> also what do you have on belial? just wondering.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:01:16]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ ral606]]></author>
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				<title>Re:1500 pt Deathwing (first army)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I too have begun to use my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> against our local league for this quarter. I took a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(124);'>SW</span> player out by killpoint last night. I will be using belial, 2 termie squads (1LC, 1HF, 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>) each mounted in a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(261);'>LRC</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span>, supported by 3 attack squadrons of 1 speeder with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> and a vindicator. I take on a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> player tomorrow, we'll see how that goes. remember that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> smoke is different (ala 4E), storm shields only give 4+ in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>, if you can fit the standard in Belials squad I would, the Apothecary is ok but who uses cover saves consistently to save his assaulting <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span>'s? I am not saying don't use it, but if your not deploying smoke on the 1st turn and into delivery turn 2 what good is a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span>? Usually my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> is screening my more vulnerable troops. Also the previous poster is correct, when used properly a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> list can be highly mobile, this helps to counter the low model count. Also read up on the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> machine spirit, its a bit different from the new one (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> 2 for instance).]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 21 Mar 2010 01:55:45]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ eltharion72]]></author>
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				<title>Re:1500 pt Deathwing (first army)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Sorry about the fail advice.  <img src="/s/i/a/504660322487159bb25fddaa475847a6.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> Scouts are good for sniping <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>imo</span>, but apart from that I think they're a waste of points.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:44:46]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Lord Rogukiel]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well, since they have BS4 in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> codex that 5 man squad should be pretty good.<br /> Also I haven't played the list because I don't have the Land Raiders built yet but I will tell you how it goes.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:06:42]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Zarake]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Your second list is better, but I cant stress the importance of the apot enough.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:38:21]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ tedurur]]></author>
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