<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points List has had revisions after comments.

HQ

Rune Priest
Additional Wargear:
JoTWW
Living Lightning
Total - 100 points

Troops

5 Grey Hunters
Additional Wargear:
Meltagun
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Razorback
Additional Wargear:
TL Lascannon
Total - 155 points

6 Grey Hunters
Additional Wargear:
Meltagun
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Razorback
Additional Wargear:
TL Lascannon
Total - 170 points

6 Grey Hunters
Additional Wargear:
None
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Razorback
Additional Wargear:
TL Lascannon
Total - 165 points

Heavy Support

5 Long Fangs
Additional Wargear:
2 x Multi Melta
1 x Lascannon
1 x Plasma Cannon
Total - 140 points

5 Long Fangs
Additional Wargear:
1 x Lascannon
1 x Plasma Cannon
1 x Multi Melta
1 x Heavy Bolter
Total - 135 points

5 Long Fangs
Additional Wargear:
1 x Missile Launcher
1 x Heavy Bolter
1 x Lascannon
1 x Plasma Cannon
Total - 135 points

Total - 1000 points

The main aim of this list is to take down anything that he can put on the board. Any vehicles, or MC's should be no problem. My aim is to sit back as far as i can on the board and just pummel them with long range fire superiority.
The Lonefangs have different weapon loadouts so that i can split their fire to 4 different targets if i need to. The first squad could shoot at 2 different vehicles or MCs, whereas the other can shoot troops and MCs/vehicles all in the same phase.
In an objective game, T4/T5 i'll start making my way up the board and claiming objectives.

Any suggestions will be welcomed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1425372.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1425372.page GMT Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points
However, it suffers the same problem as so many of these SW lists: all the enemy's long range anti infantry will be being poured into the Long Fangs for the first few turns. They are a fantastic unit, but work better in armies containing a higher proportion of non-mechanised elements IMHO.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1425377.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1425377.page GMT Re:Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points
Tbh, thats why i made this list, i love the Devastator models and think they make a nice centre piece.

Thanks though! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1425381.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1425381.page GMT Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points
35pts at average for each longfang? Never a good idea.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1425406.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1425406.page GMT Re:Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points LF, helps them to earn their points back, for example a 35 point marine might kill a 30 point warrior in one shooting phase, and then maybe go to blow up a tank. Hopefully they will earn their points back, but i'll see.

If its turns out this list cannot be competitive, then i shelve it for one that is.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1426384.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1426384.page GMT Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1426986.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1426986.page GMT Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points lol)

And if you're going for long range superiority, go with razorbacks on the grey hunters

So something like this:

Rune Priest 100
Stormcaller
Murderous hurricane

5 Grey Hunters 150
Razorback
Lascannon/TL Plasmagun

5 Grey Hunters 150
Razorback
Lascannon/TL Plasmagun

5 Grey Hunters 150
Razorback
Lascannon/TL Plasmagun

5 Grey Hunters 150
Razorback
Lascannon/TL Plasmagun

3 Long Fangs 100
2 Missile Launchers
Rhino

3 Long Fangs 100
2 Missile Launchers
Rhino

3 Long Fangs 100
2 Missile Launchers
Rhino

Total: 1000

You said you wanted the devastators to be a display piece.. but unfortunately they are in a transport... But since they are only three models, they can easily fit on top of a rhino to signify what squad is inside! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1427606.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1427606.page GMT Re:Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points This is more of a themed list so please, leave my long fangs alone =). (I love these guys so they will be staying put, i am stubborn like that but i will change anything else that you think is weak)

HQ

Rune Priest
Additional Wargear:
JoTWW
Living Lightning
Total - 100 points

Troops

5 Grey Hunters
Additional Wargear:
Meltagun
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Razorback
Additional Wargear:
TL Lascannon
Total - 155 points

6 Grey Hunters
Additional Wargear:
Meltagun
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Razorback
Additional Wargear:
TL Lascannon
Total - 170 points

6 Grey Hunters
Additional Wargear:
Meltagun
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Razorback
Additional Wargear:
TL Lascannon
Total - 170 points

Heavy Support

5 Long Fangs
Additional Wargear:
2 x Multi Melta
2 x Lascannon
Total - 145 points

5 Long Fangs
Additional Wargear:
4 x Plasma Cannon
Total - 155 points

3 Long Fangs
Additional Wargear:
2 x Missile Launcher
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Rhino
Additional Wargear:
Dozer Blade
Total - 105 points

Total - 1000 points]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1429230.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1429230.page GMT Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points
I wouldn't worry about the Rhino for the three man Long Fangs pack. Get 2 more Longs fangs and give them Heavy Bolters. It'll cost the same as the Rhino, and you'll have them left over from the three Devastator boxes you're going to buy. Stick them somewhere with good cover and a good view. It's not like they' be able to move in shoot in the Rhino anyway.

Finally, diversify your weapons. Don't put all your anti-tank weapons in one pack, all your plasma in one pack, and all your Missile launchers in one pack. Long Fangs are glass Pistols as it is. You can mitigate this by spreading those weapon out. Give each pack one plasma cannon, one anti tank weapon, either a missile launcher or heavy bolter, and then randomly pick something else. This way, the enemy can't wipe out all your lascannons and multi meltas in a single turn of shooting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1429694.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1429694.page GMT Re:Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points HQ

Rune Priest
Additional Wargear:
JoTWW
Living Lightning
Total - 100 points

Troops

5 Grey Hunters
Additional Wargear:
Meltagun
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Razorback
Additional Wargear:
TL Lascannon
Total - 155 points

6 Grey Hunters
Additional Wargear:
Meltagun
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Razorback
Additional Wargear:
TL Lascannon
Total - 170 points

6 Grey Hunters
Additional Wargear:
None
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Razorback
Additional Wargear:
TL Lascannon
Total - 165 points

Heavy Support

5 Long Fangs
Additional Wargear:
2 x Multi Melta
1 x Lascannon
1 x Plasma Cannon
Total - 140 points

5 Long Fangs
Additional Wargear:
1 x Lascannon
1 x Plasma Cannon
1 x Multi Melta
1 x Heavy Bolter
Total - 135 points

5 Long Fangs
Additional Wargear:
1 x Missile Launcher
1 x Heavy Bolter
1 x Lascannon
1 x Plasma Cannon
Total - 135 points

Total - 1000 points

This list is taking your comments into consideration, i have spread all my weapons out throughout my long fang squads so that they cannot wipe out everything in one turn.

I think the list is now looking really good. Keep posting ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1430271.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1430271.page GMT Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points
Good work.

Analyzing the list as whole, you'll be the bane of Mechanized armies, especially at this point level, and especially in Annihilation games. You'll be weaker in objective based games, due to a low number of scoring models. Make sure you use all the firepower from those Long Fangs to eliminate and hinder your opponents scoring units, so that you have little contention for the objectives. Play your scoring units smartly. Avoid exposing them to unnecessary danger. I think you might also have a slight issue with horde armies. To over come that, make sure you prioritize your Plasma Cannons, Missile Launchers and heavy bolters, especially when it comes to keeping them alive during Wound Allocation.

Should you decide to expand your army into the other popular point ranges (1250, 1500, 1750 or 1850) your priority should be on getting more Scoring units, because you simply will not have enough at higher point levels. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1430328.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1430328.page GMT Re:Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points
Horde Armies will be a problem but if i was fighting a horde army, i would swap out lascannons for plasma cannons and change the razorbacks to have assault cannons for a higher amount of shots. But the list as it stands is aimed more at MEQ and mech lists such as ork trukk lists or eldar mech lists. I'm going to magnetise the razorbacks so that i can switch out their weapon accordingly.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1430360.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1430360.page GMT Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points MEQ power, so it wouldn't be missed in that regard.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1431922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1431922.page GMT Re:Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points
Swapping out everything for more anti-infantry would be a bad idea, swappping one to assault would probally be enough, swapping one of the Rune priests psychic abilities would also help, and flamers would come in handy. Yes i can see what you mean, swapping everything and trying to completely change the whole army to cope with infantry, would probally result in a loss on my part.


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1432933.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1432933.page GMT Re:Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points
Phish Skills wrote:Actually, as usual your posting is full of win.


That might be one of the nicest things anyone has said to me on these forums. Thanks. I'ma get all gushy now.

Anyway, an All Comers list is usually a safer bet, unless you know that the metagame where you play is largely one type of army, and you build specifically to counter that army type.

I've always played a very diverse range of opponents, so jack of all trade armies are my specialty.

JotWW and Living Lightning are a good combo. JotWW is effective against lots of different unit types, and Living Lightning has the potential to wreak havoc on enemy light vehicles. I don;t think you need any modifications there.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1433000.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1433000.page GMT Re:Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points
Commander Endova wrote:
Phish Skills wrote:Actually, as usual your posting is full of win.


That might be one of the nicest things anyone has said to me on these forums. Thanks. I'ma get all gushy now.

Anyway, an All Comers list is usually a safer bet, unless you know that the metagame where you play is largely one type of army, and you build specifically to counter that army type.

I've always played a very diverse range of opponents, so jack of all trade armies are my specialty.

JotWW and Living Lightning are a good combo. JotWW is effective against lots of different unit types, and Living Lightning has the potential to wreak havoc on enemy light vehicles. I don;t think you need any modifications there.


In my village in the English country side their are only around 20 different armies to play. We have Orks, Tau, MEQ's, IG, Tyranids, Eldar, in fact i think all lists except Witch Hunters and Demonhunters.

Unsurprisingly most of these lists are mostly mech, so it should not be too bad, i really only think this list might struggle against one of the BOYZ! lists which centre 2 squads of 30 Boyz in 1000 points brackets.

As regards to being nice, their are a few people who post WIN! comments, you, my friend are one of them . The Other at this point in time would include Mercer, simply because whenever a list is published, you always manage to hit the nail on the head.

Gush all ya like because, the fact remains, its true

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1433593.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1433593.page GMT Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points GH rhinos within 24"inches of an enemy tank than assault cannons are better than lascannons for tankhunting, needless to say they are also alot better at anti infantry.

Dont mix weapons on the longfangs, atleast not weapons that have drastically different range. The great thing with lascannons is thier range, a MM has a range of 24" so either way you are loosing out on some ability.
I would skip MMs and HBs all togheter on the Fangs. HBs are outclased by MLs and MMs will not get within 12 inches.

Maybe something like, 4 MLs, 2MLs+2LCs, 2MLs+2PCs?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1434160.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1434160.page GMT Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1434618.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1434618.page GMT Re:Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points A) Heavy Weapon and the loss of associated firepower, or
B) Sarge bites it (wordplay!) and you lose the ability to divide out your firepower.

Don't forget that being able to split the fire doesn't always mean that you need to take different weapons...4 missile launchers that can split fire is incredibly effective and they weather the loss of their ability fairly well, if forced to make that choice.

As an unrelated comment, I have found that the Lascannon/TL Plasmagun is the worst upgrade for the Razorback.

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Everyone knows that this has the major obstacle to overcome with Long Fangs. They're powerful, but delicate, which is why it was actually rather smart of Phish Skills to take 3 packs of them that have a good amount of synergy.

Tactics wise, I think the Phish Skills needs to decide, based on the current battlefield, what each pack needs to specialize in, upon taking the first wound. For example, if pack 3 has a Land Raider bearing down on them, and takes a wound, the smart ting to do would be to put it on the heavy bolter, obviously. Lets increase this to two wounds. One on the heavy bolter, one on the plasma cannon. In this case, you've just lost two anti-infantry weapons, but kept two all important anti vehicle weapon.

Lets say the same thing occurred, but pack three was 4 missile launchers. Land Raider is bearing down on them, two wounds, boom, you've lost 2 missle launchers from the whole army.

Mixing weapons gives you the tactical flexibility to decide what a Long Fangs pack will specialize in on the fly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1434671.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1434671.page GMT Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points
Commander Endova wrote:A very astute observation, RxGhost. Those are your two options, and worth discussing.

Everyone knows that this has the major obstacle to overcome with Long Fangs. They're powerful, but delicate, which is why it was actually rather smart of Phish Skills to take 3 packs of them that have a good amount of synergy.

Tactics wise, I think the Phish Skills needs to decide, based on the current battlefield, what each pack needs to specialize in, upon taking the first wound. For example, if pack 3 has a Land Raider bearing down on them, and takes a wound, the smart ting to do would be to put it on the heavy bolter, obviously. Lets increase this to two wounds. One on the heavy bolter, one on the plasma cannon. In this case, you've just lost two anti-infantry weapons, but kept two all important anti vehicle weapon.

Lets say the same thing occurred, but pack three was 4 missile launchers. Land Raider is bearing down on them, two wounds, boom, you've lost 2 missle launchers from the whole army.

Mixing weapons gives you the tactical flexibility to decide what a Long Fangs pack will specialize in on the fly.


X.x! More winnnn =). I would completely agree, if it took 1 pack with 4 Lascannons, 1 pack with 4 Plasma Cannons and 1 pack with 4 ML means that each pack has a speciality and if he wishes, could completely wipe out all my lascannons in one turn. Removing a very viable threat. Same with all of these packs.
With mixing up my weapon variations, i have the same amount of weapons overall, but each pack can be customised to take a loss, according to what i need most at the point in time. With devestators this would be completly useless because if i wished to fire at a LR, several of my guns may be useless, however with the Long fangs, i can shoot my Anti-Tank weapons at it, and this pick out another target with my other weapons.

Endova, as usual i believe, has hit the nail on the head. (WIN!)

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1434691.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1434691.page GMT Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points MLs into the LC and PC packs. What Commander Endova fails to realize is that you have to be close to the enemy when using MMs this puts the whole pack within range of quite alot of anti personel fire.

If you dont mix you will get maximum offencive output from your fangs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1434768.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1434768.page GMT Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points MMs aren't the best choice for a Devastator or Long Fangs unit, due to the range. If you can come by them, Phish Skills, I would swap them for Missile Launchers, as they are both versatile and long ranged weapons. However, I was operating under the assumption that you wanted to limit your weapon selection to what would actually come in three boxes of Devastators.

What I do fail to realize is how you get less offensive output from from 3 lascannons scattered across 3 squads than 3 lascannons in one squad. The advantage, as has been discussed, is that it will prove much harder to wipe all three of them out with one turn of shooting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1434799.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1434799.page GMT Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points
Get equipped with - Terminator Armor & Cyclone Missile Launcher - for more hilarity.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1435116.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1435116.page GMT Re:Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points
To address the issue of why i have not included more missle launchers on the Long fangs, and put multi meltas instead is very simple really. I hate the missle launcher, the stats for it are great and effective. The actually model, with a missle launcher IMHO looks really bad. Thats why if i was going to load-out my long fangs with missle launchers i would want to magnetise them, i wouldn't want it looking that way forever.

Also i want my loadouts to match what comes in 3 boxes of Devastators because i dont want to be going out and buying more sprues to match the models to my list. I want the list to match my models. =)

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1435874.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1435874.page GMT Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1435881.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285200/1435881.page GMT Re:Heavy Fire SW list 1000 points http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/50-Rare-Earth-N50-Neodymium-disc-magnets-2mm-1mm_W0QQitemZ120545430697QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_3?hash=item1c11114ca9

Sorry if your not allowed to post links, if i'm not i'll remove it. These are rare earth magnets (2mm), on ebay, would these be suitable?

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