<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer "]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer I have a regular Land Raider (magnetized) but I'm afraid since it is an assault vehicle and it has two TW las-cannons that I will have to pick between hanging back and shooting or rushing forward and dumping out troops. I have a SW army by the way and was going to have 9 blood claws with a wolf lord in the tank.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1437190.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1437190.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer IMO. Raiders that end up Immobilized or not moving near the enemy end up dead, so Redeemer's out because it's only useful right next to things.

Standard Raider is too mixed-role.

Crusader can actually back off a bit after delivery and if it gets immobilized in midfield can still have an effect on the game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1437421.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1437421.page GMT Re:Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
while the crusader can be more reliable in game to game performance, the redeemer wins games at times.

If you were looking to move that giant BC pack, then the Crusader would be the only choice.

The godhammer Land Raider is the weakest, but I think it has its role is certain armies.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1438398.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1438398.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer If you are running terminators that don't strike at I1 then you might be better served with a redeemer or a crusader as they grant frag grenades the turn they disembark. I generally run Tactical terminators so it would only help 1 model in my case.

Cheers,
~Volkan]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1438442.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1438442.page GMT Re:Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
Dainty Twerp wrote:
The godhammer Land Raider is the weakest, but I think it has its role is certain armies.

Is that the standard?

Anyways, yeah, Crusader sounds like a good fit, if a redeemer is immobilized mid-field, it's mostly useless.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1438447.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1438447.page GMT Re:Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
Gavo wrote:
Dainty Twerp wrote:
The godhammer Land Raider is the weakest, but I think it has its role is certain armies.


Is that the standard?

Anyways, yeah, Crusader sounds like a good fit, if a redeemer is immobilized mid-field, it's mostly useless.


The standard Land Raider is designated as the Phobos Pattern. The term God Hammer comes from the Pattern of the Las Cannons that are fitted on to it.

Cheers,
~Volkan]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1438460.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1438460.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1438500.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1438500.page GMT Re:Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1438614.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1438614.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer TL bolter shots that go ping.. So I'd only take the Crusader if you have 8 termies or 16 normal models, so for the transport capacity.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1438714.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1438714.page GMT Re:Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer Crusader is my favorite one too. It's got max capacity and though it's just bolter shots it helps filling in an anti horde roll, while the content usually is a sledgehammer unit.
The redeemer is a wonderful MEQ killer if it gets close enough but it's almost impossible to use both flamers to effect because your enemy will simply move away if your moving 6" only.
The standard Land Raider is best picked if you want a scoring AV 14 all around by filling in a scout squad or a left behind combatsquad. Nothing ever held that home objective so resiliently ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1438736.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1438736.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
Shrubs wrote:I don't like the Crusader. I'm not paying 250 points for 6 TL bolter shots that go ping.. So I'd only take the Crusader if you have 8 termies or 16 normal models, so for the transport capacity.


Actually, if you are saying that Assault Cannons suck against armour, lemme tell you something. AC has a higher chance of killing tanks than LC.

More on this later.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1438891.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1438891.page GMT Re:Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
Cpt. Icanus wrote:
The redeemer is a wonderful MEQ killer if it gets close enough but it's almost impossible to use both flamers to effect because your enemy will simply move away if your moving 6" only.
Nothing ever held that home objective so resiliently


Machine spirit is your friend move and still fire 1 weapon, or if you get close you can fire both at different targets. Unless they changed machine spirit for space wolves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1439079.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1439079.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
Move 6" & fire 17 shots? Oh, hells yes.

I *want* to like the redeemer, but in my experience it's very rare that you'll ever fire all its weapons. Seems like it spends half the game (or more) moving into position or chasing down infantry...which means that you're firing one or two of its four main guns a turn, and the others are dead weight.

The Phobos has the issue of having two diametrically opposed roles. If you park deep in your own territory to take advantage of the range & firepower of your lascannons, you're wasting the assault vehicle bit. If you're taking full advantage of the assault vehicle rules, you're squandering the long-range firepower. I've seen some applications with a small scout unit or a combat squad embarking to keep a scoring landraider on your own objective... but there are far more points-efficient things to buy in the codex.

So, yeah, Crusader all the way.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1439374.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1439374.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer LRs are transports/mobile bunkers first and are gunboats second.

If you subscribe to this philosophy, then the Crusader is the autowin, when they are compared.

1. It has the largest transport capacity
2. It has frag launchers (along with the redeemer)
3. It has defensive weapons, so it can move and fire ALL of its weapon systems (MM with PotMS), which allows to to concentrae on moving, rather than making choices about moving or shooting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1439874.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1439874.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
Shrubs wrote:I don't like the Crusader. I'm not paying 250 points for 6 TL bolter shots that go ping.. So I'd only take the Crusader if you have 8 termies or 16 normal models, so for the transport capacity.


If your Crusader is within 12 inches of the enemy (it should be) you'll get 12 Bolter shots, 4 Twin-Linked Assault Cannon shots (Better against AV than Autocannons or even Lascannons sometimes, and I always take a Multi-Melta which will get 2d6 AP. So you can move 6 inches, and still fire all your guns, plus you can split one off (Multi-Melta is the one I usually split fire away with) to target other things.

More model capacity, full firepower on a 6" inch move and 2 guns @ 12 inches? Yes please. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1440552.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1440552.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
eNvY wrote:
Shrubs wrote:I don't like the Crusader. I'm not paying 250 points for 6 TL bolter shots that go ping.. So I'd only take the Crusader if you have 8 termies or 16 normal models, so for the transport capacity.


If your Crusader is within 12 inches of the enemy (it should be) you'll get 12 Bolter shots, 4 Twin-Linked Assault Cannon shots (Better against AV than Autocannons or even Lascannons sometimes, and I always take a Multi-Melta which will get 2d6 AP. So you can move 6 inches, and still fire all your guns, plus you can split one off (Multi-Melta is the one I usually split fire away with) to target other things.

More model capacity, full firepower on a 6" inch move and 2 guns @ 12 inches? Yes please.

Yes, the Crusader is an excellent choice, and for the army I play, the best one. My own tactics would never require a redeemer, but there are vast advantages in having the Godhammer, which is a bit like a moving, shooting-at-two-tanks-at-once, scoring with troops inside bunker.
I can't get the hang of redeemers, and can only see them as useful in a Vulkan Hestan list where you get crazy fiery superpowers. For Space Wolves? I'd go with the crusader.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1440560.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1440560.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1440635.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1440635.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer BRB. You can measure range to an embarked unit, hence an embarked troop can cap an objective.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1440693.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1440693.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer Thanks everyone for your feedback!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1440699.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1440699.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer Its a decent battle tank with assault cannon, multi melta, and Hurricane bolters. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1440885.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1440885.page GMT Re:Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer Hello Everyone

Personally out of those three, I agree with the majority.
The Crusader. Max Trans and Dakka with a pinch of tank busting thrown in.

Past that I tend to like the other less known/used variants.
My WIP Marines only use the Rhine chassis for Rhinos and Razors. All HS are LR's.

The Term Dedicated Trans are all LR Crusaders.
Replacing the Whirlwind is a single Helios. Think a Phobos with a Launcher on top.
Replacing the Pred Destructors I had are a pair of Crusaders.
Finally, replacing the Pred Annihilators are a pair of Terminus LR's.
I like the Terminus over the Phobos because it solves the dual role issue. Its pure firepower, but no Trans ability.
For anyone not knowing the model. It has 3 sets of TL Lascans, and 2 additional Lascans to boot.

Well, those are my thoughts on the matter....
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1440955.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1440955.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
There is a lot of love for the Crusader here, but IMO its the most over rated of the Land Raiders. All that its packing is the boltgun firepower of a tactical squad (which is decent for anti-horde duty but I tend to run 2 thunderfire cannons alot so meh). Not only that, but you need to move 6" a turn in order to put it to use. Half the point of having an assault-transport vehicle is to get your troops into the fight faster than foot slogging 6" a turn! And if you are moving 12" a turn, it has less useful single weapon shooting possibilities than the Redeemer (Twin assault cannon or MM will probably fire on approach, but once you get close will you ever consider firing 6 boltgun shots over 4 assault cannon shots if moving 12"?).

If you take a Redeemer, sure you are probably never going to be able to fire both flamestorms at the same time, but who cares! Just 'Tank Shock' some infantry, hope they pass their morale check, then laugh as they are forced to pile up next to one of your flamestorm sponsons. Then use POTMS on that sponson for the squad wipe.

IMO, the ONLY reason to take a Crusader over a Redeemer is the troop capacity. Moving 6" a turn is just silly.


(The Godhammer is a totally different kettle of fish. Cant really compare it with the Crusader or Redeemer. Long ranged shooting on an Assault vehicle... why? Throw some scouts inside for a super home objective camper? lol)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1440963.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1440963.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer SM codex was released, and I think it is awesome. It always seems to be underestimated, because it is short range. There is no better feeling than killing 2 full beserker squads at one time, and watching your opponent's mouth gasp.

I have heard arguments that the crusader is better, but I think it is a wash. If the crusader could hold 10 terminators THEN I would give the edge to it, but as of now I say the Redeemer is better.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1441054.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1441054.page GMT Re:Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer can just sit back and kite your opponent, and it's in that kind of situation where the Gohammer really shines compared to the other two.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1441478.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1441478.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer SW so thats why I like the godhammer. But the redeemer is great to because you need it to get really close so it can shoot which is what my whole army will be doing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1441808.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1441808.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1441873.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1441873.page GMT Re:Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
PoTMs the heavy bolter against infantry.


for an assaulty unit the crusader is best.

Redeemer is nice to look at, but fails in a practability test. hopefully they will make it better in the next edition.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1441879.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1441879.page GMT Re:Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
The Redeemer's capacity is perfect for me, 5 man TH/SS squad and a character (or 2 if you leave behind their TDA!). The crusader's added capacity would just encourage me to take even more termies and would give me the feeling that I'd gone overboard on the putting all my eggs in one basket (a feeling I already have with my current setup).

The Standard LR's inability to take a character with your Terminators instantly ruled it out of the running for me. It's a shame as I really would be a fan of moving down the board while taking LC potshots at the enemy. However, the lack of Frag launchers makes the standard LR give me a sad.

Just as an aside, I like the fact that you have to be within spitting distance for your Redeemer to be effective. It helps give me the proper motivation to plow straight ahead. As for not being able to shoot both Flamestorm cannons at the same target, PotMS still lets you split fire, toasty goodness for two targets!


I will say that I think that the fact that this is up for debate means that there isn't a 100% right answer for choosing your flavor of LR.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1442100.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1442100.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer -Thanks! for all the feedback guys!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1442214.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1442214.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer Id like to be a bit different...

I'm doing Imp Fists and have my Crusader painted. Working on first Tac squad.

Is there anything else I could put in there - in fact, should I put a tac squad in it and cap objectives with it? Note that we play around 1250 points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1442352.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1442352.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer TH/SS Terms are better, tho.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1442503.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1442503.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1442567.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1442567.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
Econtutor wrote:
The Standard LR's inability to take a character with your Terminators instantly ruled it out of the running for me. It's a shame as I really would be a fan of moving down the board while taking LC potshots at the enemy. However, the lack of Frag launchers makes the standard LR give me a sad.


Just checked the Codex, the C:SM Land Raider (phobos) has a transport capacity of 12 models. Same as the redeemer. The Lack of grenades is a pain for Termies. Power Armored Marines can bypass that problem though, although most would argue that they aren't worth putting in raiders to begin with.

Cheers,
~Volkan]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1442617.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1442617.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1442626.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1442626.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
Orangecoke wrote:I have a question: what else is good to put in a Crusader besides assault termies? right now two of the guys in my group use Vulkan and have Redeemers with A-Termies in them. Id like to be a bit different...

I'm doing Imp Fists and have my Crusader painted. Working on first Tac squad.

Is there anything else I could put in there - in fact, should I put a tac squad in it and cap objectives with it? Note that we play around 1250 points.


an assault squad without J-packs can be a nasty surprise for an enemy. and you get a free rhino with the bargain.

Black templars love loading up crusaders with as many models as can fit inside. do the same

its worth it when your opponent sees 10 marines, a chaplain and Libby hop out for some serious crumping.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1444112.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1444112.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
Orangecoke wrote:I have a question: what else is good to put in a Crusader besides assault termies? right now two of the guys in my group use Vulkan and have Redeemers with A-Termies in them. Id like to be a bit different...

I'm doing Imp Fists and have my Crusader painted. Working on first Tac squad.

Is there anything else I could put in there - in fact, should I put a tac squad in it and cap objectives with it? Note that we play around 1250 points.


Assault marines or Vanguard w/out jump packs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1444877.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1444877.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
Orangecoke wrote:I have a question: what else is good to put in a Crusader besides assault termies? right now two of the guys in my group use Vulkan and have Redeemers with A-Termies in them. Id like to be a bit different...

I'm doing Imp Fists and have my Crusader painted. Working on first Tac squad.

Is there anything else I could put in there - in fact, should I put a tac squad in it and cap objectives with it? Note that we play around 1250 points.


I liked the idea of dumping a scout or Tac squad in there in order to make it an objective capturing pillbox.

Also... just off the top of my head: (Bonus fits with the chapter! ) would be to dump Lysander, Libby and 10 Sternguard in it. Admittedly you still have 3 transport capacity unused but the look on your opponents face when you have 20 sternguard shots re-rolling failed to hits pop-out of the thing would be pretty amusing. Admittedly, that combo alone runs nearly half of your army (and that's without the LR included!) if you're playing a 1250 pt. game.

I do have to say that IMHO there's really no reason to take a LR unless you're running some sort of (preferably TH/SS) terminators in it. 250 points (with the obligatory MM) could be spent better elsewhere if you're not going to use it for its best battle taxi purpose. Heck, 3 Dakka preds are only 5 points more!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1445060.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1445060.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
rednekgunner wrote:
Orangecoke wrote:I have a question: what else is good to put in a Crusader besides assault termies? right now two of the guys in my group use Vulkan and have Redeemers with A-Termies in them. Id like to be a bit different...

I'm doing Imp Fists and have my Crusader painted. Working on first Tac squad.

Is there anything else I could put in there - in fact, should I put a tac squad in it and cap objectives with it? Note that we play around 1250 points.


Assault marines or Vanguard w/out jump packs.


Here's a dumb question: what would make the assault marines a better choice than basic tactical marines? I notice they seem to have the exact same stats (WS, A). (that's a sincere question by the way)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1445743.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1445743.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
There's barely a reason to ever put Vanguard in there ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1445796.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1445796.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
Orangecoke wrote:
rednekgunner wrote:
Orangecoke wrote:I have a question: what else is good to put in a Crusader besides assault termies? right now two of the guys in my group use Vulkan and have Redeemers with A-Termies in them. Id like to be a bit different...

I'm doing Imp Fists and have my Crusader painted. Working on first Tac squad.

Is there anything else I could put in there - in fact, should I put a tac squad in it and cap objectives with it? Note that we play around 1250 points.


Assault marines or Vanguard w/out jump packs.


Here's a dumb question: what would make the assault marines a better choice than basic tactical marines? I notice they seem to have the exact same stats (WS, A). (that's a sincere question by the way)


assault marines have 2 attacks(ccw+bolt pistol), can take 2 special weapons(flamer or plasma pistol), and have the potential for a "free" rhino or drop pod.

the dumb thing is they can't get melta-guns like their supposedly infierior chaos equivalents. an assault squad can tank-hunt decently with a PF and all have krak grenades, but melta-guns would make them a decent choice.


Landraiders are not a bad choice alone like some suggest in lower point games opponents don't have many options to take it down and it is still affordable. in a 1500 point games 1 landraider can really throw its weight around, especially with an assault squad inside. and the "free" rhino can drive around as a spare. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1446093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1446093.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer SW codex the Capacity for a Phobos land raider is 10. Why would it be 12 in another codex?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1446727.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1446727.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer . There's a few oddities that crop up between the SM Codexes]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1446808.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1446808.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
The_HoFF wrote:In my SW codex the Capacity for a Phobos land raider is 10. Why would it be 12 in another codex?


That would be because GW loves to screw with you. xD]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1446824.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1446824.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1446857.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1446857.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1446863.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1446863.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer LR... I can sit back and tank hunt usually without having to move a bunch. Or since my LC are Ap 2 I can soften up even termy units.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1448277.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1448277.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
godhammer raider is good all round and focuses mainly on anti tank. However in order to deliver those terminators you need to move, which means you can only fire one weapon. With it having heavy bolters along with lascannons the role is mixed, though with POTMS this shouldn't be a issue.

The crusader is good for hordes and it can lay down a lot of fire, plus it can move and still fire the bolters 24". If you take a multi melta and a storm bolter you get tank busting powers and a little more anit infantry (though the storm bolter isn't required) but if you move 6" you can fire all weapons because the hurricane bolters and storm bolter are defensive weapons, you can fire one weapon and then fire another weapon extra because of POTMS again - that's a lot of fire power. Also because the crusaders main fire power is 12" away you need it to get up close, which is the same role as the terminators inside.

Redeemer is good for busting power armour and hordes. But this can also be a problem. Because you have the land raiders foot print the flamers will only BBQ which is along the side, so anything directly in front will be ok. Because the flamer templates are 8" you need to get close which doesn't leave much room for you to bail out the front ramp.

Also because the redeemer needs real close range its in melta range, even meltaguns can threaten it easier. However that is the same for the crusader more or less.

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Cheers,
~Volkan]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1448571.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1448571.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
One is all you need.


I don't know if you guys just haven't seen it for yourself, but a Str 6, AP3 Template that ignores cover just eats Marine squads for lunch, especially after a Tank Shock. You don't need two of them at a time. You can roll 12, shoot one, and wipe a devestator squad out of hard cover, if you can make the shot in 6", you can add the Assault Cannon to the shots.

I agree that if it's killed midfield, it's useless, but so is anything. If you took the time to kill it midfield, I've had time to maneuver everything else to take advantage of it, most likely.

Not to say the Crusader and Godhammer aren't useful in their own right. The Crusader is the ultimate mid-field support unit (whereas the Redeemer operates as close to the enemy as possible, which is why I like it). And the Godhammer is the ranged version, which confuses most people. Two lascannon shots just isn't that much for the points. I think even the Godhammer does best when charging to the enemy's lines. If can deliver troops, or just carry scoring troops, and putting an AV14 Gunboat *behind* the enemy lines makes those Lascannons much more scary. I would use this unit as a forward anchor for a flank attack, setting up a crossfire with my stationary backfield elements.
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Volkan wrote:Don't forget that land Raiders have 3 access points . They don't all have to bunch around just the front ramp. In some cases it might be worth it to disembark them on the left side to charge 1 unit while the right side flamer can hit another. Obviously this is one of those magical situations that doesn't come up all that often, but its good to know that the ability for it is there.

Cheers,
~Volkan


I know it has side access points. However any sane person would put either the redeemer cannons or the hurricane bolters ont he front mountings. So if you disembark and BBQ'd everything at the side it's possible you may not make that assault range. Sure you've got 2" disembark and then 6" movement but you have to go around your own sponsons.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1448749.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1448749.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
Cheers,
~Volkan]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1448773.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1448773.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer DS rules for LR in the new BA Codex are to be believed then I think the redeemer will win hands down. The ability to DS into your enemies line negates the danger of it being immobilised way back from the action. And before people say yes but now it is in melta range if you are in melta range of my redeemer it will cook you and you will divert so much attention to getting rid of it the rest of the army will arrive and smash you.

However I have no intention of playin BA so I only post this as an observation not as an intention.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1448941.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1448941.page GMT Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer
Deep striking Land raiders just doesn't seem to make sense to me. You can shoot a single weapon when (and if) it lands safely. Or you can Pop smoke. The squad inside can't assault. Maybe it would be worth disembarking to shoot it but generally a drop pod could have gotten you that ability for cheaper. Or Termies could deep strike themselves. If your opponent has an Inquisitor with Mystics then a nearby melta could end your raider before you can pop smoke.

Sure those are all ifs, but there are a lot of common scenarios in that list. I think I would rather just force my way up field 12 inches a turn. With the 12 inch deploy, and 12 inch move on turn 1 you can make midfield easy, turn 2 you can be in the enemy lines anyway.

Cheers,
~Volkan ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1449023.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1449023.page GMT Re:Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader, or Land Raider Redeemer TL hurricane bolters, a TL AC and a stormbolter means even MEQ squads take pretty heavy losses, not to mention the large variety of horde/model-heavy armies there are out there, you can never have enough dakka.

The thing is, Assault termies seem to be the big HTH unit for the SM that actually need a transport (as far as i know). From my experience, LR are meant to be the hammer smashing into the opponent's forces, rhino are the ones made for capping objectives.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1474512.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/285969/1474512.page GMT