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Neutral Evil I never really understood. Probably more like the guy who would witness a rape and observe rather then report.

Chaotic Evil= Insane does w/e the feth he/she wishes.

Lawfull evil, Think any recent dictatorship. Evil but with rules.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440406.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440406.page GMT 40k Alignment
The Unending wrote:shouldn't Chaos be chaotic evil?
No. I see why you'd think that, but they do whatever will get them their way. They are some of the most selfish beings in this game, and will do anything, lawful or unlawful to help their cause. Dark Eldar on the other hand, seek only to destroy, with no law, no regard for any order. Comorragh is an anarchy in its fullest form. It is ruled by no individual, and the Cabals only exist so they can work together to wreak more havoc.


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Shadowbrand wrote:I agree, but Dark Eldar are for more Chaotic Evil then even chaos.

Neutral Evil I never really understood. Probably more like the guy who would witness a rape and observe rather then report.

Chaotic Evil= Insane does w/e the feth he/she wishes.

Lawfull evil, Think any recent dictatorship. Evil but with rules.


Neutral Evil= completely self-serving. They'll do whatever is required to help themselves out, no matter what it does to anyone. They'd just as soon destroy a government as they would make one if only to better their own well-being.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440415.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440415.page GMT Re:40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440454.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440454.page GMT 40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440539.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440539.page GMT 40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440570.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440570.page GMT 40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440596.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440596.page GMT 40k Alignment
Cheese Elemental wrote:What? Tau are as far from Good as you can get. Lawful, definitely, but good? They brainwashed the Vespid and sterilise human allies.
How can you possibly say that? it's the 'Greater Good!' What the hell is wrong you with you?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440673.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440673.page GMT 40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440679.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440679.page GMT 40k Alignment
ZekeWN wrote:It's just hard to grasp orks as chaotic neutral. They really don't seem like the "true individual" seems more or less to me they are along the lines of chaotic evil too because they too seek only to destroy, with no law, no regard for any order. etc.

Orks don't fight to destroy. They fight for the sake of fighting. They don't care if you're the good guys or the villains, they'll hit you anyway.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440694.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440694.page GMT 40k Alignment
crazypsyko666 wrote:
Cheese Elemental wrote:What? Tau are as far from Good as you can get. Lawful, definitely, but good? They brainwashed the Vespid and sterilise human allies.
How can you possibly say that? it's the 'Greater Good!' What the hell is wrong you with you?

'Greater Good' does not mean 'good intentions'.

I'd also place the Eldar on a True Neutral position. They'll sacrifice entire planets to save a few of their own kind and go about doing things that benefit their race as a whole instead of doing the right thing the right way.

The closest you'd get to Lawful Good in 40k would be one of the more humane SM chapters. Blood Ravens come to mind, as they're less xenophobic than other Imperial forces and try to save civilians first despite their dark past. Salamanders have a history of prioritising civilians and Guardsmen for protection, as do Space Wolves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440697.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440697.page GMT 40k Alignment
Cheese Elemental wrote:
crazypsyko666 wrote:
Cheese Elemental wrote:What? Tau are as far from Good as you can get. Lawful, definitely, but good? They brainwashed the Vespid and sterilise human allies.
How can you possibly say that? it's the 'Greater Good!' What the hell is wrong you with you?

'Greater Good' does not mean 'good intentions'.

I'd also place the Eldar on a True Neutral position. They'll sacrifice entire planets to save a few of their own kind and go about doing things that benefit their race as a whole instead of doing the right thing the right way.

The closest you'd get to Lawful Good in 40k would be one of the more humane SM chapters. Blood Ravens come to mind, as they're less xenophobic than other Imperial forces and try to save civilians first despite their dark past. Salamanders have a history of prioritising civilians and Guardsmen for protection, as do Space Wolves.
I was being incredibly sarcastic.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440827.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440827.page GMT 40k Alignment I think CSMs are pretty much every Evil alignment.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440842.page GMT 40k Alignment
Cheese Elemental wrote:
crazypsyko666 wrote:
Cheese Elemental wrote:What? Tau are as far from Good as you can get. Lawful, definitely, but good? They brainwashed the Vespid and sterilise human allies.
How can you possibly say that? it's the 'Greater Good!' What the hell is wrong you with you?

'Greater Good' does not mean 'good intentions'.

I'd also place the Eldar on a True Neutral position. They'll sacrifice entire planets to save a few of their own kind and go about doing things that benefit their race as a whole instead of doing the right thing the right way.

The closest you'd get to Lawful Good in 40k would be one of the more humane SM chapters. Blood Ravens come to mind, as they're less xenophobic than other Imperial forces and try to save civilians first despite their dark past. Salamanders have a history of prioritising civilians and Guardsmen for protection, as do Space Wolves.


I'm with you on the Salamanders, Cheese. But the others I'm not so sure about. The Space Wolves don't really mention much on their care for civilians, although they do respect guardsmen if they fight, fart and even half as good as they do.

Blood Ravens seem willing enough to ally themselves with Xenos if it serves a greater purpose, but again, there's none of that 'goody' feeling or moral high ground like the Salamanders have.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440923.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1440923.page GMT 40k Alignment
alexwars1 wrote:Sarcasm can be hard to get through the web-net, crazypsyko.
I think CSMs are pretty much every Evil alignment.
Yeah, I know. It doesn't stop it from being frustrating. They've been trying to make an official end-of-sentence sarcasm symbol. I'm all for it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1441655.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1441655.page GMT 40k Alignment but i think it does a pretty good job of summarising everything.
(the Alpha Legion should be lawful evil but world eaters are chaotic evil) that sort of averaging
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Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Salamanders, Imperial Fists and Crimson Fists (Last two might be more neutral than good), certain Inquisitors: Lawful Good
Certain Inquisitors, Tanith First and Only, Tau: Neutral Good
Space Wolves, certain Inquisitors: Chaotic Good
Eldar on all Paths except the Outcast, Most Imperial forces not in other categories, Farsight Tau: Lawful Neutral.
Tyranids: True Neutral.
Orks (argument to be made that they are chaotic evil), Eldar on the Path of the Outcast, certain Inquisitors, certain Imperial Gaurd regiments, unstable Marine chapters such as the Flesh Tearers: Chaotic Neutral.
Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion, Necrons, Thousand Sons, Death Gaurd, certain Inquisitors, Blood Pact: Lawful Evil
Black Legion, Night Lords, Dark Eldar (chaotic evil might work too), many chaos cultists, certain inquisitors: Neutral Evil
World Eaters, Emperors Children, many chaos cultists, certain inquistitors: Chaotic Evil (you could add orks and dark eldar in here, depending on your perspective.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1446852.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1446852.page GMT 40k Alignment
Besides you don't get more Chaotic Evil then the Dark Eldar. They understand Chaos better then anyone, and the most 'noble' thing any of them do is torture other creatures to save their own miserable hides so that they can keep torturing. This is why I love them so much.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1446919.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1446919.page GMT 40k Alignment

And IMO nothing the Imperium falls under the "Good"category, since all they do is always in the interest of their species alone. They will sometimes go out of their to help a xenos or something, but that's usually to prevent some big bad from happening.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1447652.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1447652.page GMT Re:40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1447920.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1447920.page GMT 40k Alignment
Imperium Chaotic Neutral

Chaos Chaotic Evil

Eldar Good Neutral

Dark Eldar Chaotic Evil

Tyranid WHO KNOWS

Necrons Neutral Evil]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1448738.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1448738.page GMT 40k Alignment
Corennus wrote:Um i think Tau should be Neutral Good.

Imperium Chaotic Neutral

Chaos Chaotic Evil

Eldar Good Neutral

Dark Eldar Chaotic Evil

Tyranid WHO KNOWS

Necrons Neutral Evil



Imperium: Makes no sense why they'd be listed here.

Chaos: They don't -just- kill, destroy, and corrupt for no reason. They always do what they do for a bigger picture. They can do good things if they benefit from them.

Eldar: Again, makes no sense. Kill a million beings of another race, just to save one Eldar? Find me the good in that.

Dark Eldar: They already -are- Chaotic evil. They do horrible things just because they want to. Not because it necessarily benefits whatever cause they're striving for. As well, you can't have two of the same classifications in an alignment wheel.

Tyranids: Don't really fall into any classification. Hence the NomNom poster. All that's going through their heads is "Food!"

Necrons make sense where they are - they have a system to their Genocide. It's one they've followed for millions of years, and they don't break from it - even if it means disaster for them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1449751.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1449751.page GMT 40k Alignment
Also, IG are under similar alignments as the rest of the imperium (with exception to the sorroritas, who are definitely a lawful neutral group.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1450058.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1450058.page GMT 40k Alignment
crazypsyko666 wrote:'Nids are true neutral. They don't care. They're wildlife. Dangerous, carnivorous, omnicidal wildlife.

No they aren't. The Hive Mind is intelligent enough to co-ordinate trillions of life-forms at once, and some Tyranids like Hive Tyrants, Warriors and Genestealers are very intelligent indeed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1450071.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1450071.page GMT 40k Alignment
Cheese Elemental wrote:
crazypsyko666 wrote:'Nids are true neutral. They don't care. They're wildlife. Dangerous, carnivorous, omnicidal wildlife.

No they aren't. The Hive Mind is intelligent enough to co-ordinate trillions of life-forms at once, and some Tyranids like Hive Tyrants, Warriors and Genestealers are very intelligent indeed.
But do they care? Are they inherintly evil? Do they have a system of laws? In D&D, wildlife is always in true neutral alignment, from mice to giant man-eating krakens. It doesn't matter how intelligent they are. 'Nids don't have any morality, so they are neutral.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1450076.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1450076.page GMT 40k Alignment 40k . . . and taking the game from it's own perspective (even in the Grim Dark, GW allows that there are good guys)

LG: Imperium at its best (so most SM, esp UM); Tau in their own minds
NG: Eldar (the Path is disciplined no doubt but the discipline itself is not what is valued); Salamanders; BA
CG: Gregor Eisenhorn; Caiphas Cain to a point; the SW

LN: Imperium in general; Tau from a more objective viewpoint; Mechanicum; Iron Hands
N: Harlequins; Tyranids (spot on, Da Boss; Cheese is correct--their alignment does not indicate that they are insensate)
CN: Orks

LE: Imperium at its worst; DE toward their peers and superiors
NE: DE toward non-DE or subordinates; Necron
CE: Chaos Space Marines/Daemons

I'd say there are a couple of in-betweeners: DA hover between LG and LN, leaning pretty heavily toward neutral. Thousand Sons are somewhere between N and NE. I think rubrics are pretty much N by default.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1450379.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1450379.page GMT 40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453344.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453344.page GMT 40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453345.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453345.page GMT 40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453349.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453349.page GMT 40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453373.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453373.page GMT 40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453391.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453391.page GMT 40k Alignment
Fl@nked wrote:I have to agree with Halsfield. In the end, Good and Evil always come down to PERSPECTIVE.

Yes, in this case, OUR perspective. This thread is about what *we* think.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453400.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453400.page GMT 40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453402.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453402.page GMT 40k Alignment
Manchu wrote:What makes you say that???


Well, I've not read any fluff about the sisters, so all I have to go on is Soulstorm (which I assume exaggerates), but a bunch of fanatics obsessed with fire kind of makes me think about them seeing heretics everywhere... A tad chaotic, no?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453469.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453469.page GMT 40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453490.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453490.page GMT 40k Alignment Eldar: Neutral
Dark Eldar: Neutral Evil
Orks: Chaotic Evil
Tau: Lawful Neutral
Necrons: Lawful Evil
Chaos: Chaotic Evil
Tyranids: Neutral
Grot Rebelz: Chaotic Good]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453663.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1453663.page GMT 40k Alignment 40k standards.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1456018.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1456018.page GMT 40k Alignment

As it is, I pretty much agree with your entire list up there Manchu, except for Harlequins. I'm more inclined to place them under Chaotic Good.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1456297.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1456297.page GMT 40k Alignment
Emperors Faithful wrote:I thought this was by our standards?

As it is, I pretty much agree with your entire list up there Manchu, except for Harlequins. I'm more inclined to place them under Chaotic Good.
Hell, if this was by our standards, no one would be any higher than an evil status. Tau? Our 'lawful good' race, they've got concentration camps, sterilization camps, re-education camps, that sounds alot like hitler's germany, doesn't it? Lawful Evil. Space Marines? They usually kill civillians. They'll bomb a planet apart before it falls to someone else. Evil. (also all of the 'purge the alien, burn the heretic...') Orks are the closest to neutral as it gets, same as the Tyranids. Everything else is evil, evil, evil by our standards.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1456375.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1456375.page GMT 40k Alignment
Manchu wrote:Why Chaotic Evil for Orks? Loving violence for its own sake is not evil by 40k standards.
But I'd say it is by D&D standards.
Teh Wiki wrote:Evil implies harming, oppressing, and killing others. Some evil creatures simply have no compassion for others and kill without qualms if doing so is convenient or if it can be set up. Others actively pursue evil, killing for sport or out of duty to some malevolent deity or master.
People who are neutral with respect to good and evil have compunctions against killing the innocent but lack the commitment to make sacrifices to protect or help others. Neutral people are committed to others by personal relationships.

Orks definitely do not have any compunction against killing others, even others of their race. Nor do they have any problem with permanently enslaving an entire race, and enslaving others they come across, which doesn't mesh well with traditional Chaotic Neutrality. The Tau, Imperium, and Eldar certainly have their evil streaks, but for the most part they do what is necessary for their own survival. An inquisitor who kills a billion people is rarely doing so for selfish reasons, and with what the eldar are trying to avoid it's hard to call what they do "evil". The Grots are good, because they are hard workers and decent people who only fight because they want to liberate the galaxy from orkish oppression, naturally.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1456537.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1456537.page GMT 40k Alignment
I'll admit, from the parameters of D&D's way of talking about itself, you have a solid case:

SRD wrote:A chaotic evil character does whatever his greed, hatred, and lust for destruction drive him to do. He is hot-tempered, vicious, arbitrarily violent, and unpredictable. If he is simply out for whatever he can get, he is ruthless and brutal. If he is committed to the spread of evil and chaos, he is even worse. Thankfully, his plans are haphazard, and any groups he joins or forms are poorly organized. Typically, chaotic evil people can be made to work together only by force, and their leader lasts only as long as he can thwart attempts to topple or assassinate him. [source]
That sounds right on the money.

BUT keep in mind that chaotic evil qua D&D is not really up to describing a "middle ground" race like the Orks who do not kill out of anything like a human sense of greed much less malice. Killing isn't really even the point of fighting for Orks. The fighting is itself the point--not that ultimately killing the enemy is somehow unsatisfying to them. But as soon as one enemy is dead, it's forgotten and the Ork is already fighting the next enemy. Also, Orks are not committed to the spread of evil and chaos (much less Chaos). They're not really committed to the spread of anything except carnage, which is neutral in and of itself in the GrimDark. Even the propagation of their species is an incidental byproduct of this carnage. Which is why I think that Chaotic Neutral, adjusted to the GrimDark spectrum (everything moves one step toward evil), is a better fit for the greenskins:

SRD wrote:A chaotic neutral character follows his whims. He is an individualist first and last. He values his own liberty but doesn’t strive to protect others’ freedom. He avoids authority, resents restrictions, and challenges traditions. A chaotic neutral character does not intentionally disrupt organizations as part of a campaign of anarchy. To do so, he would have to be motivated either by good (and a desire to liberate others) or evil (and a desire to make those different from himself suffer). A chaotic neutral character may be unpredictable, but his behavior is not totally random. He is not as likely to jump off a bridge as to cross it. [same source as above]

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I would also say some Orks would fall under Chaotic Neutral in either case; Flash Gits and Freebootas, for instance, fit the CN description better.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1456679.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1456679.page GMT 40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1456697.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1456697.page GMT 40k Alignment
Cheese Elemental wrote:
Fl@nked wrote:I have to agree with Halsfield. In the end, Good and Evil always come down to PERSPECTIVE.

Yes, in this case, OUR perspective. This thread is about what *we* think.


Right, this is about our opinions, but without stating what your chosen perspective is (ie you seeing things from the emperor's perspective) saying something is good or evil is pointless. If there is no clear good or evil then the neutral alignments become just as pointless. Most of the discussion/arguments so far have been because people are seeing things from the perspective of different armies/factions in the 40k universe and this is where I'm trying to shed some light.

Traitor legions often believe themselves to be working for the good of mankind against the "traitor" loyalists that worship the corpse-god and endanger mankind by allowing xenos/mutants/weak to live. The tyranid hive mind may simply be attempting to feed its brood and wipe out potential threats to its family and how is that good or evil from that perspective? To an IG they are evil creatures bent only on their destruction that have nothing like compassion or empathy.

There also cannot be a simple lumping of all armies as a single alignment. For instance chaos space marines are not all one alignment. Tyranids are not all controlled by the hive mind and some are little more than animals feeding and hunting as they need.



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Halsfield wrote:Most of the discussion/arguments so far have been because people are seeing things from the perspective of different armies/factions in the 40k universe and this is where I'm trying to shed some light.
Not really. The perspective most people are trying to use is that of 40k itself as a game--which is obviously Imperial. In this perspective, humans are in fact the "good guys."
Traitor legions often believe themselves to be working for the good of mankind against the "traitor" loyalists that worship the corpse-god and endanger mankind by allowing xenos/mutants/weak to live.
What?
The tyranid hive mind may simply be attempting to feed its brood and wipe out potential threats to its family and how is that good or evil from that perspective? To an IG they are evil creatures bent only on their destruction that have nothing like compassion or empathy.
. . . which is why true neutral makes sense as their alignment . . .
There also cannot be a simple lumping of all armies as a single alignment. For instance chaos space marines are not all one alignment.
Yeah . . . they pretty much are. Chaotic evil. Don't let the similarity of the terms "Chaos" and "chaotic" send you into an overcorrection. Even the Word Bearers are chaotic evil. The only ones that possible are not are 1kSons rubrics--assuming they are barely sentient automatons.
Tyranids are not all controlled by the hive mind and some are little more than animals feeding and hunting as they need.
. . . which is why true neutral makes sense as their alignment . . .]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1459202.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1459202.page GMT 40k Alignment ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1459373.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1459373.page GMT 40k Alignment
Emperors Faithful wrote:Really? I'm still thinking Evil Neutral for 'nids but I'm so confused as to what point of view we're taking here...
Well, no. If they were evil neutral, than you would be to for eating meat. This isn't the case, despite what PETA might try to tell you. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1459473.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1459473.page GMT 40k Alignment Lawful good, Alpha leigion. (Possibly good, and definetly plans)
Neutral Good, Death Guard, Papa Nurgle loves his children equally
Lawfull evil Night Lords, terror tactics, and the whole pre-heresy Night Haunter=Batman thing
Chaotic Evil, Word Bearers, doing evil things for dark gods
Netural Evil, Emperor's Children, utterly self centered
Lawfull Netural, Iron Warriors, Hey you kids, get off my fortress world!
Chaotic Neutral, World Eaters. MAIM KILL BURN!!! (basically trashing everything, even if it helps, especially if it doesn't)

True Neutral, Thousand Sons. Just as planned.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1460177.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1460177.page GMT 40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1460191.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1460191.page GMT 40k Alignment 40k is taking the argument to the extreme for EVERYTHING

I once saw it described as "about as dark and edgey as the event horizon of a black hole".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1462187.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1462187.page GMT 40k Alignment 40k version of D&D alignment, we begin with every category taking (at least) one step toward evil.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1463436.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1463436.page GMT 40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1463765.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1463765.page GMT 40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1465725.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1465725.page GMT 40k Alignment ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1465740.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1465740.page GMT 40k Alignment 40k would be Neutral Good in the Forgotten Realms or Eberron.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1465767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1465767.page GMT 40k Alignment But then again, I've never played Eberron or Forgotten Realms (Though I have read some of FR) so I might be forgiven of that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1466016.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1466016.page GMT 40k Alignment 40k would only be neutral in other fantasy worlds.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1466098.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1466098.page GMT 40k Alignment
Imperium - Lawful Neutral for most, Lawful Evil for the more intolerant factions.
Eldar - Perhaps Neutral Good, by a non grimdark perspecive I'd say Neutral.
Tau - firmly Lawful Neutral.
Dark Eldar - I think we can all agree they are Chaotic Evil.
Orks - CN in 40K terms, in between CN and CE in others.
Necrons - I'd say they're more neutral evil than lawful evil although they have aspects of both.
'Nids - neutral. But that's more of a brainless/alien neutral than a "sometimes does good" neutral.
Slaanesh - Chaotic Evil
Tzeentch - Chaotic Neutral according to their creed. Change for the sake of change is the definition of CN. Of course since they are in the 40K universe they act more chaotic evil.
Nurgle - Neutral Evil. Spreading disease for its own sake while not caring one way or another for organization is also the definition of the active form of NE.
Khorne - Compared to the other cults they are LE due to their discipline, but it matters not from where the blood flows so they're NE.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1466152.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1466152.page GMT Re:40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1466328.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1466328.page GMT Re:40k Alignment


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Also thanks. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1466562.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1466562.page GMT Re:40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1466564.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1466564.page GMT 40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1466572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1466572.page GMT 40k Alignment Space Marines: Lawful Good in their own eyes. fight for the emprah, defend humanity from the "evil" of the universe.
Space Wolves: Lawful Good in their own eyes. fight for the emprah and Russ defend humanity from the "evil" of the universe.
Blood Angels: Lawful Good in their own eyes. fight for the emprah, defend humanity from the "evil" of the universe.
Salamanders: Lawful Good in their own eyes. fight for the emprah, defend humanity from the "evil" of the universe.
Dress Angels: Lawful Good in their own eyes. fight for the emprah, defend humanity from the "evil" of the universe.
Black Templars: Lawful Good in their own eyes. fight for the emprah, defend humanity from the "evil" of the universe.
Nuns with Guns: Lawful Good in their own eyes. fight for the emprah, defend humanity from the "evil" of the universe.
Grey Knights: Lawful Good in their own eyes. fight for the emprah.
Inquisition: Lawful Good in their own eyes. fight for the emprah, defend humanity from the "evil" of the universe
Eldar: Lawful Good in their own eyes. Fight for their people from the impending doom of their own race.
Tau: Lawful Good in their own eyes. Fight for their empire, for all others are flawed and evil, and theirs is the only correct one.
Orks: Lawful Good in their own eyes, they do not discriminate, they fight because its fun. They might even think that other races feel the same way. They all follow a simple structure of laws that is easy to understand (the biggest guy is in charge)
Necrons: Lawful Good in their own eyes. They are ressurecting their ancient gods by feeding on "primitive" races that would appear to them as not much more than animals. Also could be construed as granting immortality to those with inferior flesh compared to their living metal.
Tyranids: Lawful Good in their own eyes. They are granting a form of immortality to all races by incorporating their biomass into the hive mind, they seek to become one with eveyone.
Chaos Nurgle: Lawful Good in their own eyes, seeks to grant immortality and unending life to all, revolts against the "corrupt", "dead", and "false" Emperor
Chaos Tzeentch: Lawful Good in their own eyes, everyone already does their work for them (change) and thus they only exist to spread the word that everyone is already fighting on "their" side.
Chaos Slaanesh: Lawful Good in their own eyes, they seek to give their own form of "pleasure" to all, to revel in the short mortal life granted to lesser beings.
Chaos Khorne: ??? insert crazy justification for maim kill destroy here ???
Dark Eldar: ??? insert crazy justification for torture maim kill here ???]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1466967.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1466967.page GMT 40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1468114.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1468114.page GMT 40k Alignment DE tie for last. Thats just me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1468285.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1468285.page GMT 40k Alignment
Demogerg wrote:
Tyranids: Lawful Good in their own eyes. They are granting a form of immortality to all races by incorporating their biomass into the hive mind, they seek to become one with eveyone.
Wrongness FTW!
Tyranids don't "view" themselves as anything, they exist to hunt, and absorb. They are the truest neutral. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1471502.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1471502.page GMT 40k Alignment
- One could argue that Tyranids are in fact 'evil', when you consider that the Hive Minds are certainly conscious and intelligent enough to decide what is good, evil, and what is done for survival. Think about it, why wouldn't a Hive Mind simply say "Hm, you know what, this whole planet-wide bio-mass consumption thing is both taxing, inefficient in the long run(how much of this galaxy is still edible?), and seriously disrupting other species. Maybe we should like, guide our own evolution in the direction of long-lived "space reefs" or something, if we're so concerned with survival". But they don't...suspicious...

- I'm just waiting for someone to come along and claim with all confidence that Chaos is not inherently evil.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1475751.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1475751.page GMT 40k Alignment http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1478084.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1478084.page GMT 40k Alignment
Ronin-Sage wrote:- I'm just waiting for someone to come along and claim with all confidence that Chaos is not inherently evil.


Well... they didn't start evil...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1478103.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/286145/1478103.page GMT