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Chapter Master-Artificer, Relic Blade, Melta Bombs-175

5xHonor Guard-Chapter Banner-210
Dedicated Razorback-Lascannon+Twin Linked Plasma Gun-75
SUBTOTAL-460
Elites

Dreadnought-105
Drop Pod-35


Ironclad Dreadnought-IC Assault Launchers-150
Drop Pod-35
SUBTOTAL-335

Troops

10xTactical Marines-Lascannon, Melta, Power weapon, Melta Bombs-205

10xTactical Marines-Missile Launcher, Melta, Power weapon, Melta Bombs-195
SUBTOTAL-400

Fast Attack

3xScout Bikes-3xGrenade Launchers,Cluster Mines, Melta Bombs-115
SUBTOTAL-115

Heavy Support

Thunder Fire Cannon-100

Predator Destructor-85
SUBTOTAL-185

Total-1500

Master and Guard will #$%# nearly anything in close.

Dreads will Drop down and kill mainly vehicles.

Tac marines will combat squad on objective games with special weapon squads hunting vehicles and heavy weapon squads holding objectives

Scout Bikers will cluster mine likely buildings for snipers, and lay down small templates.

Thunder Fire Cannon will fire one tremor at say orks then fire three normal.

Predator will target light vehicles or light infantry.

The pods go against the fluff but are necessary for the dreads to not get cut down before they do something.

I have 0 models but want to come up with a solid list before i start buying models.

Any comments are greatly appreciated.

Thank you for reading.
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Chapter Masters usually aren't considered worth it, because you pay an extra 25 points for an essentially useless weapon, and the ability to use Honor Guard, which are also considered fairly useless. Plus, there are a lot of things that can beat this unit in CC.

Two Dreads in drop pods, which aren't terrible, but since you'll only be able to bring in one at a time, due to having two pods total, they'll take a lot of fire and die often and early.

Your Tac Squads aren't kitted out badly, but the lack transport, and you don;t have enough infantry to survive footslogging them, especially if you break them into Combat Squads.

The scout bikers aren't going to be useful in this list. Most sniper units are deployed in the building they'll be in for the whole game, and the cluster mines won;t be able to harm them unless they try to move out of the building, which is unlikely. Scout bikers are all but useless except in Drop Pod Lists, which this is not.

Nothing wrong with TFCs or Predators.

You need to go back to square one and think about the army as a whole. Think about the theme for the army. (Mechanized, Drop Pod, Fottslogging, Bikes, Jumps Packs, Ranged, CC,) and design mostly around that principle. Not everything in the army has to stick to it, but as it stands, your lest is all over the place.
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You need rhinos or razorbacks for the tact squads. if you dont have them you will notice that you cant get anywhere you need to with combat squading. It happened to me and I regretted not bringing them.

Id recomend grabbing a land raider and 5 assualt termies inplace of your command elements. they will last longer in combat and with a mix of weapons can do very well against almost all targets. Plus a land raider will help in a few key elements depending on what load out you choose for it.

You can drop the dread in pod for a captain with termy armor. he gets a free power sword through it and thats all he really needs.

Other then that it looks pretty well thought out for 1500 points. gl

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Firstly I would mech up those tactical squads. Thats almost goes without saying.

Secondly, I personally think that if you realy want those honour guard and master to do well in combat you'll need a land raider crusader. Droping the normal dreadnought, the preditor and the razorback for the honour guard will get you one. Crusaders are brilliant assult vehicles as they can move 6" and fire every weapon on that bunker. And the assult ramp is great.

I you really wanted to change anything else I'd replace those bikers for the rhino transports for the tactical squads as mentioned above, power fists instead of power weapons on the tactical sergeants and a relic blade on you chapter champion.

Hope I've helped.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459216.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459216.page GMT MY FIRST SPACE MARINE LIST 1500 Help Please
Commander Endova wrote:You've got a lot of strong individual units, that have very little overall synergy.

Chapter Masters usually aren't considered worth it, because you pay an extra 25 points for an essentially useless weapon, and the ability to use Honor Guard, which are also considered fairly useless. Plus, there are a lot of things that can beat this unit in CC.

Two Dreads in drop pods, which aren't terrible, but since you'll only be able to bring in one at a time, due to having two pods total, they'll take a lot of fire and die often and early.

Your Tac Squads aren't kitted out badly, but the lack transport, and you don;t have enough infantry to survive footslogging them, especially if you break them into Combat Squads.

The scout bikers aren't going to be useful in this list. Most sniper units are deployed in the building they'll be in for the whole , and the cluster mines won;t be able to harm them unless they try to move out of the building, which is unlikely. Scout bikers are all but useless except in Drop Pod Lists, which this is not.

Nothing wrong with TFCs or Predators.

You need to go back to square one and think about the army as a whole. Think about the theme for the army. (Mechanized, Drop Pod, Fottslogging, Bikes, Jumps Packs, Ranged, CC,) and design mostly around that principle. Not everything in the army has to stick to it, but as it stands, your lest is all over the place.


Most of what you have said is good endova but that last line I completely disagree on. Space marines are not a very good force devoted to one thing. Ive played alot of one type space marine lists with my overal ones and I win a great deal more then them.

If you look at the stats of a space marine, In itself they are great but when you start matching up our units verses other armies units in the same field ( An example is assault marines verses say banshees) we are at a disadvantage. You cant win in combat verses them unless your lucky so the best bet is just to shoot them down. You woul;d have problems doing so in a completly assualt oriented force.

A good space marine force has to be flexible. It has to be able to deal with any threat that can come across the table in more then one way. Its how I feel that they were designed. And through my games I find that im more right then wrong. Seems a bit preachy I know but well that's my view on it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459220.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459220.page GMT MY FIRST SPACE MARINE LIST 1500 Help Please SM are outmatched in specific areas.

I hate, hate, hate, to play the semantics game, but I did say "design mostly around that principle. To me that means having a core that focuses on the theme for the army, but maybe having one or two units that provide that flexibility.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459232.page GMT MY FIRST SPACE MARINE LIST 1500 Help Please ML+Flamer setup with rhino?Drop pod.

Chapter Master/Captain is a poor choice unless you put the Captain on a bike to get Bikes as troops. Take a stock libby instead.
A TH/SS squad will demolish a Honor Guard unit 24/7 so

I think Scout bikers are pretty meh is such a list as this.

Maybe something like this?

HQ:
Libby = 100

Elites:
5xTH/SS Termies = 200
LRC (MM) = 260

Dread = 105
Drop Pod = 35

Ironclad = 135
Drop pod = 35

Troops:
10xTacticals (MM+Flamer) = 170
Rhino = 35

10xTaxticals (ML+Flamer) = 170
Rhino = 35

Heavy:
TFC (Drop Pod) = 135

Dakka pred = 85]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459313.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459313.page GMT Re:MY FIRST SPACE MARINE LIST 1500 Help Please HQ
Captain-Artificer, Storm Shield, Lightning Claw, Melta Bombs-150

Command Squad-2xMelta Bombs-125
Dedicated Razorback-Lascannon and Twin Linked Plasma Gun-70

SUBTOTAL-345
Elites

Dreadnought-105
Drop Pod-35

Dreadnought-105
Drop Pod-35

Ironclad Dreadnought-IC Assault Launchers-150
Drop Pod-35
SUBTOTAL-465

Troops

10xTactical Marines-Lascannon, Melta, Power weapon, Melta Bombs,Rhino-240

10xTactical Marines-Missile Launcher, Melta, Power weapon, Melta Bombs,Rhino-230

SUBTOTAL-470


Heavy Support

Predator-lascannon sponsons-120

Thunder Fire Cannon-100

SUBTOTAL-220

Total-1500

Captain and Command Squad Will Do Whatever in Their Razorback

Dreadnoughts will Drop and hopefully wreak havoc

Tac marines will combat squad on objective games with special weapon squads hunting vehicles and heavy weapon squads holding objectives

Predator will hunt vehicles

Thunder Fire Cannon will fire one tremor at say orks then fire three normal. Because it Says each shell can either be tremor, surface or air burst.

The drop pods are annoyingly necessary because Hawk Lord fluff says they prefer Thunder hawks Instead which will kick ass for friendly games and Apocalypse but sad face for tourneys

Thank you for your earlier comments any more would be great

Thanks for reading

Sry tedurur just missed your post

Why would i drop pod the thunder fire cannon? Choosing the dreads first of course would mean the cannon would at least miss out on two turns of shooting and those are the only turns it really helps.

Just a plain librarian will get spanked
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The TFC should ofc not be deployed with the Pod. Just drop the pod empty and place the TFC as normal ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459379.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459379.page GMT MY FIRST SPACE MARINE LIST 1500 Help Please ap and then a rule to allow you to choose different ammo for each shot then your plan would work.

As for getting a pod for the cannon, that is so you can drop an empty pod which will allow your dreads to drop in faster. It's also an AV12 annoyance that needs to be taken care of especially if dropped in such a way that it contests an objective.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459384.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459384.page GMT MY FIRST SPACE MARINE LIST 1500 Help Please
Norade wrote:
As for getting a pod for the cannon, that is so you can drop an empty pod which will allow your dreads to drop in faster. It's also an AV12 annoyance that needs to be taken care of especially if dropped in such a way that it contests an objective.


You beat me to this!

I would suggest making room for a Locator Beacon on your Scout Bikers. If you have first turn you could turbo-boost your bikes to where you want your Drop Pods to be and be able to place them exactly where you want them!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459391.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459391.page GMT Re:MY FIRST SPACE MARINE LIST 1500 Help Please
And can the librarian cast a spell without a fire point?

Thought units had to be deployed with dedicated transports?

And oh well even 4 tremor shots will kill a load of orks and slow them down.

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And with three dreadnoughts the pod for the cannon wouldn't do anything.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459633.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459633.page GMT MY FIRST SPACE MARINE LIST 1500 Help Please The libbys power actually works beeter in a LR to some extent since you measure distance from the hull...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459644.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459644.page GMT Re:MY FIRST SPACE MARINE LIST 1500 Help Please
Actually that combo would rip why have i never thought of it before. 10 hammer time termies with a hammer time libby using null zone and they would be unstoppable or he sits next to lysander and 10 ht termies. What could beat lysander and 10 ht termies re rolling invunerable saves?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459715.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1459715.page GMT Re:MY FIRST SPACE MARINE LIST 1500 Help Please
ChocolateGork wrote:The librarian would only work with a raider and/or termies and i have none.

Actually that combo would rip why have i never thought of it before. 10 hammer time termies with a hammer time libby using null zone and they would be unstoppable or he sits next to lysander and 10 ht termies. What could beat lysander and 10 ht termies re rolling invunerable saves?


A crap load of incoming small arms fire? Its the usual way to take out termies. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1460358.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1460358.page GMT MY FIRST SPACE MARINE LIST 1500 Help Please
Take a look at your codex again.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1460396.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1460396.page GMT Re:MY FIRST SPACE MARINE LIST 1500 Help Please
Any comments on the list?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1460892.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/287451/1460892.page GMT Re:MY FIRST SPACE MARINE LIST 1500 Help Please
What do you think is the best way to buy this stuff.
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