http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net BA codex and have been moderately pleased, the codex is balanced and overall seems to be fairly compeditive.

There's a lot of deep striking in the list, but I find myself wondering the age old thought: Just because you CAN do something, does that mean you really SHOULD do something?

So here's my thoughts.

Both games I've played have involved a heavy ammount of my force deep striking, and I'll be honest, I've met with some mixed results. Botched reserve rolls (Even with a re-roll I should note thanks to DoA) seem to be the order of the day for me of late, along with poor deep striking results as well. So I'm going to change my game-plan.

I'm going to be fielding a list similar to this in my next game, and intend on deploying most, if not all of it on the tabletop rather than deep strike (Though one unit will probably still deep strike)

Librarian in Terminator Armor, force weapon, storm bolter. Wings of Sanguinius and Blood Lance. 130 Pts.
(Most bang for your buck character in my eyes. Gives good Psychic defense, is mobile, and can survive a moderate ammount of shooting if properly fielded while provinding a nice anti-tank shot at mid-field.)

Elite: Chaplain w/ Powerfist & 2x Sanguniary Priests w/ Jump Packs 265 Pts

Troops: Death Company (9 men, 1 w/ power weapon, 1 w/ thunder hammer) in a Land Raider (Standard pattern, gives me some much needed anti-tank). 225 + 265 = 490 Pts
Chaplain Rides here.

Tactical squadx2 (10 men each, Powerfist, melta & Missile launcher in each most likely) + Extra Armor Rhinos 540 Pts.

Assault Squad (10 man, powerfist & 2 meltas, this will likely be my only reserve deep striking unit.) 235 Pts.

Death Company Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod w/ Locator Beacon. 165 Pts. (Blood Talons)

That's the basic list, Going to try and deploy everything barring an assault squad and the drop podding DC dread arriving T1. I have a spare 25 points I still need to find a place for, but that's the basic list idea. May shave 5 points from somewhere and put a locator beacon on each of the tactical squads too, so if I decide to hold my LR in reserve to deep strike in I've got 3 beacons on-table to help guide that sucker in and not risk it scattering.

So, rather than committing a larger portion of my force to reserve and trying to deep strike it in, as I've been trying to do my first two games, I'm going to rely on DoA to help get my entire force on-table by turn two, Ideally with an armored spearhead moving to crush a flank that my Furioso is hopefully starting to make a dent in assuming it's smoke launchers are able to keep it around for turn 1.

How have people found the list to work in a more 'traditional' deployment method? I'm going to give it a whirl as soon as I can, but wanted to get some thoughts from people who have perhaps tried this approach out vs. the more drop-oriented method, have you found better success? Worse? No huge difference?

I will also say that my first two games have been against a quite competent space wolves player and I've managed to get a draw and a loss versus him while feeling my way through different list ideas for any that might be curious.

Any thoughts or suggestions welcome! Thanks for taking the time to read and I look forwards to see what folks have to say.

Take care, and thanks.

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1800pt game - Loss vs Necrons
I dropped in my DC dread first turn with locator beacon. It was immobilized before it could get into CC. This game, I also DS my sang guard and terminators near the drop pod. They wiped out a unit of warriors and HQ. DC, librarian, and chaplain w/ jump packs were slaughtered by two large squads of destroyer shooting. Mephiston, assault squad and tac squad dealt with monolith and pariahs. With unlucky rolls, I was only able to immobilize the monolith even with 3 penetrating hits. Game ended after 5, and it being annihilation, I feel short a kill point. Had it been an extra round or two, I would've taken it easily. Darn those will be backs. Overall, the deep striking method worked out well. I was able to control one side of the table with reserved units.

1000pt game - Tie vs IG
I did not deepstrike anything this game. I had 2 full rhinos, 1 DC dread, 1 combat squad, and 2 five man assault squads. I split the rhinos and sent them towards both sides of table to go after the two Leman russ tanks. Hid behind my armor and popped smoke. Was able to get into CC with about only 3 marines dead and weapon destroyed on rhino from all his shooting. 5 man assault squad slaughters 10 shock troops easily. I was able to get into CC with his ogyrn squad with my dread (gotta love fleet) and they could not do anything with them being S5 to my front armor 12. Swept them and then exploded then Leman Russ tank afterwards. Basically worked my way across the table and all he had left was one squad of shock troops controlling one objective and an immobilized/weapon destroyed leman russ. Only reason why I lost because that 10 man squad held the objective while my assault squad was about 5 in away from the other one. Game ended at turn 3 because the shop closed. I only lost the combat squad and 1 assault squad. I actually would've won if we had more time.

Overall, I was pleased with both games. I played 2 guys who had been playing for at least a year to my 3 months. I felt that my new BA army and codex are balanced. Strong army if deployed. The major factor in both games for me was time. Given more time, I probably would've won both. With the deep striking units, I was able to control how much power I wanted on one side. Put majority on one side to control that side, or save them to assist others. You get to suprise your opponent. When I deployed everything on the table against IG, I had to play smart and hope to make saves. Both are fun to try, but I would prefer to deep strike more. Hope this helps.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289256/1485774.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289256/1485774.page GMT
And also, welcome to the hobby! I'd say you made quite the showing for only playing 40k for 3 months. Great work!

I'd also say you made the right choice in not deep striking much vs. IG. It tends to end poorly for most part in my experience with their massed fire and the addition of inquisitors with Mystics. I think that, against most opponents, deploying normally and not having much in reserve to arrive via deep strike is going to be the way to go after going over different ideas and scenarios in my mind. I guess I got a little drop happy with all the new ways to deploy via deepstrike.

As I said, at the moment I'm trying to get a few games under my belt and get my list established. I'd like to try out the storm raven but don't have the time or money to invest in buying the kits I would need to convert one up that I'd be happy using. So in lieu of that, I'm sticking with the Land Raider to give me some much needed ranged anti-tank firepower on a fairly sturdy platform. My other thought is to field a Land Raider Redeemer and squeeze an extra pair of death company models into the mix for some added killy. I don't know if I can afford the ding to my anti-tank though, as if I do that, I'm left with my librarian, and the odd melta-gun in my list that, as everyone knows, is incredibly short-ranged.

I tend to play 'all comers' lists, I like being flexable and able to tackle any army I come across to a reasonable extent. From horde nids to mech IG to anything inbetween. I really want to try and get a Baal Pred or two into my list but short of dropping the land raider I don't know how I'm going to manage that. I suppose I could put the DC in a drop pod and let them arrive in my opponents backfield, but I like the thought of being able to control them to a degree while they're inside the land raider, not to mention the protection it offers.

Interesting thoughts to ponder. I shall see where else this might go in due course. Once again, thanks for your input there Kennydee, best of luck with your angels!

Take it easy,

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Those points are better spread around to things that help you control objectives.

If you are set on taking Tac Marines in rhinos then maybe consider going with a multi melta instead of the ML.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289256/1486342.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289256/1486342.page GMT tac squads for assault squads with out Jpacks and give them melta guns.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289256/1486435.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289256/1486435.page GMT DoA makes deepstriking safer and allows you to take some more risks with your DS placement, it isn't something to completely rely on. It is also hindered by the lack of a reserve roll modifier in the BA army. BA simply have some pretty powerful things that can be taken advantage of with depstriking, and those things are still good when not deepstriking. In a few games so far, I've deepstruck my Librarian alone in order to set up Blood Lance onto a column of tanks. Other times I've used a unit of Sanguinary Guard + Sanguinary Priest aggressively out of deepstrike in order to melta a tank and provide threatening board presence to another area of the table. It is a really situational thing that depends on the opposing army, his deployment (assuming I go second), the terrain and the mission. Once all that is sorted, where the unit lands is rather dependent on what has happened on the table before it became available.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289256/1487065.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289256/1487065.page GMT