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10x Thousand suns with champion and rhino

2x Defilers with all the cool stuff

1x Daemon princes with wings and the mark of Slaanesh with lash

1x Dreadnought with extra armor and twin linked heavy bolter

10x Plague marines 1 flamer 1 melta gun with plague champion with rhino

Chaos Raptors 19 1 sdpiting champion 2 flamers with mark of slaanesh

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1K sons are overpriced.

Defilers "with all the cool stuff"? WTF does that mean?

Single Lash doesn't work.

Dread is bad.

Don't mix Melta/Flamer. Champ needs PF. 7 man squad.

Raptors-just say no.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1496838.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1496838.page GMT Re:1750 Chaos space marine list
2x Daemon prince with lash and wings with mark of Nurgle

x7 Plague Marines with 2 flamers with Personal icon and Plague champion with PF and Twin linked Bolter with melta bombs and Rhino with extra armor and combi flamer

x2 Defilers with Havoc Cannon and Reaper auto cannon

x6 Terminators with 6 PF with Icon of Tzeentch and champion with PF and Reaper auto cannon

x10 Noise marines with 3 sonic blasters and blast master with Personal icon and Champion with doom siren,Sonic Blaster,and power fist and melta bombs with a Rhino with Combi flamers and extra armor

Sorry if im irritating folks but im trying alot of combos if you have any ideas please share them with me





]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1496952.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1496952.page GMT 1750 Chaos space marine list DPs can't have Lash and MoN. I wish!

PMs don't need Per Icons, TL Bolter, or Mbombs. Rhinos should be naked. Melta over flamer.

Defilers should be 2xCCW.

Terms are only good in the 3x Term, 3x Combi build.

NMs are overbuilt.

See my blog (link in my sig) for CSM tips. Don't use the most recent list, it's a joke ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1497058.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1497058.page GMT Re:1750 Chaos space marine list
Stircrazy wrote:Sorry im new to the game so excuse me for not knowing much heres my revised list i dont know if its any good im just trying to get an idea of what i want to make i allready got the battleforce and 1 dreadnought

2x Daemon prince with lash and wings with mark of Nurgle

x7 Plague Marines with 2 flamers with Personal icon and Plague champion with PF and Twin linked Bolter with melta bombs and Rhino with extra armor and combi flamer

x2 Defilers with Havoc Cannon and Reaper auto cannon

x6 Terminators with 6 PF with Icon of Tzeentch and champion with PF and Reaper auto cannon

x10 Noise marines with 3 sonic blasters and blast master with Personal icon and Champion with doom siren,Sonic Blaster,and power fist and melta bombs with a Rhino with Combi flamers and extra armor

Sorry if im irritating folks but im trying alot of combos if you have any ideas please share them with me







Alright, here's the first tip. Dont ask the internet for Chaos Space Marine lists. CSM are unfortunately in a state where the internet has a single mindset on how to play the army. Theyll tell you to use cookie cutter units that are easy to use with no thought behind the list and mislead you.

Do not change your list around just because someone said "No, dont use them". Ask them why and using that information, decide for yourself. Do not blindly take people on the internet's word for things and change your list around.

With that said here are my suggestions to your original list which I dont think is bad at all:

Prince - Is fine, lash isnt as effective anymore. I would onsider warptime instead, but it is up to you.

Dreadnought - The twin linked bolter is a waste in my opinion. Heavy bolters are made to kill medium infantry, something the rest of the army does pretty well already. I suggest either the plasma cannon, missile launcher or close combat arm as those options are easiest to deal with shooting your own side. Extra armour is optional, but I personally dont like it as it just protects you 1/6th of the time.

Plague marines - I dont think you need 10, and either go 2 flamers or 2 meltas. That way you have a goal in mind in what you want the squad to do.

Chaos Raptors - Are good, but if you want to use 20, split them into two squads of 2, or even 3 squads of 7, each with 2 special weapons (I would say 2x melta, 2x melta, 2x flamer in order of importance).

Defilers - Are alright "all arounder" units. Cant really go wrong with them, but you may find better combinations for heavy support if you look into it a little more.

1k sons - Are, imo, getting a little better with new tyranids and blood angels out. Try them out and see if you like them. Their models are awesome.



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Stircrazy wrote:so yea tell me what think

10x Thousand suns with champion and rhino

waste unless your facing MEQ all the time drop these for normal marines

2x Defilers with all the cool stuff

cool stuff doesnt help. if by cool stuff you mena additional ccw then thats good

1x Daemon princes with wings and the mark of Slaanesh with lash

good

1x Dreadnought with extra armor and twin linked heavy bolter

no no no take eitherr a aditonal ccw or no dread at all unless you like you rown troops being blasted and your dread gettting into combat youd rather avoid normally

10x Plague marines 1 flamer 1 melta gun with plague champion with rhino

give champ a powerfist and the plagues anoteh rmelta instead of flamer

Chaos Raptors 19 1 sdpiting champion 2 flamers with mark of slaanesh

way tooo many raptors dude take 5-7 not 19! id say mok instead of mos

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1497404.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1497404.page GMT Re:1750 Chaos space marine list HQ: Two DPs are great, but as Brute pointed out (in brutish fashion, no less =P) they can't have Lash without Mark of Slaanesh. I recommend kit'ing each DP out differently. Two Lash Princes is a wasteL They won't both get full use out of the ability. My favorite combo is one Lash Prince and one "205" (Prince, Wings, Mark of Tzeentch, Warptime, Wind of Chaos or Bolt of Change).

Troops: Naked Rhinos are best. The points spent on Extra Armour can be better used elsewhere. PMs are tailor-made for Plasma Guns. Gives you good hitting power, less need for a Power Fist, or Melta bombs.

Noise Marines don't need a Blastmaster AND a Doom Siren. Just makes the unit too expensive. If the CHamp has a Powerfist, he has no need for Meltabombs. Naked Rhinos are best.w

Heavy Support: Defilers are fun.

Elites: Terminators are under equipped. Give half of them combi-meltas for Deep Strike behind a Mech threat. If you want to use them for close combat, then kit them out for it with MoK, and trade the autocannon for a Heavy Flamer.

This list is way light on Troops. The rule of thumb is 1 squad (10 models) per 500 points. You have 17 Troops, which is half of what you should have. There's definitely room for 2 Princes and 2 Defilers, but to get the Troops up to 30+ models you night need to cut your Terminator squad in half, and drop the Noise Marines in favor of a couple of vanilla CSM squads.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1497407.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1497407.page GMT 1750 Chaos space marine list http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1498803.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1498803.page GMT 1750 Chaos space marine list
1) If it is at all possible, give the squad a Rhino. Chaos troops need the mobility, since our troops do most of their damage at close to mid range.

2) Thousand Sons are great at killing MEQ or gribbly, expensive units. They work best in groups of 8+Sorcerer. Give the Sorc Doombolt for shooty or Warptime for killy and don't forget that he has MoT and a Force Weapon. MoT lets him use his other powers, and then still use the Force Weapon.

3) Noise Marines are great at producing volume fire at targets that will have difficulty retaliating. They work best in groups of 8 with Sonic Blasters for crazy shooting, or in a group of 5 with just a Doom Blaster for light vehicle hunting. Use them to fill the air with bullets and make your opponent fail saves.

4) Plague Marines are great at soaking up huge volumes of low powered shots. They work best in groups of 7 with dual special weapons. Their ability to sponge up damage make them very good general purpose troops since they are likely to survive whatever you toss them into.

5) Khorne Berzerkers are good at chopping things to pieces. Which makes sense. They work great in groups of 10 or 9+character. Kharn is good here. Use them mostly against thing that are not dedicated CC units. With a Character in the group they can still win those fights, but they will always do well chopping your opponent's shooty squads.

6) Regular Chaos Space Marines are great! Take them in squads of 10 with dual special weapons in a Rhino and just throw them at whatever problem you have that needs solving. They are cheap for what they do, and they are good at doing just about everything. Marks are a bit pricey, but they help specialize your troops more towards one particular thing.

7) Terminators work great in either really small squads that will likely die, but are cheap, or really big squads that are really hard to kill. If you go with small squads give them combi-meltas and maybe a power-fist. If you go with big squads then make sure they have a purpose, the wargear to achieve that purpose, and a mark to augment their capabilities. Tzeench marked Terms have a 4++ save, which is almost as good as THSS loyalists, but the squads have to be fairly large before it is worth the cost.

8) Raptors are fine, but they are best used as a special weapon delivery system. Use them to jump around and melt tanks with Meltas or jump into CC with Flamers. They work best in groups from 5-7 since smaller squads are easier to hide in cover. They are also excellent at dropping off Lesser Daemons by taking a IoCG and the Deep Striking the Daemon onto the icon once the Raptors have infiltrated the enemies lines.

9) All of the Heavy Support options fill a particular niche, and are best used to round out your army one the rest of your selections are made.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1498995.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1498995.page GMT 1750 Chaos space marine list
Chaos Space Marine troops are simply amazing. They can meltagun things, then charge into CC and get extra attacks. Icon of Chaos glory is really cheap. And counts as a teleport homer.

Of course the specialized troop choice have advantages. They also have larger disadvantages (point cost) and whatnot. Fielding 10 thousand suns would be great. but for the price and for it's kick. Enemies could focus down that group and have chunked out larger pieces of your health (total army)

I look at things like a good ol' RPG

points = health

CSM in rhinos = cheaper and the best protection of your total health. They're versatile, and your points are more spread out. (Not all of your cookies in one basket). They never worry about losing their leader and just stopping.

I would keep champions off of the CSM squads (keep them cheaper) Unless you need the power to kill stronger squads with a few, just toss on Aspiring Champion+power fist wherever you need it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1499017.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1499017.page GMT Re:1750 Chaos space marine list DP and the battle force so im trying to get my stuff together ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1499151.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1499151.page GMT Re:1750 Chaos space marine list dps one with warptime and one with lash, and mech mech mech]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1499201.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1499201.page GMT 1750 Chaos space marine list DP wings one with lash one with gift of chaos

9x Khorne berserker's with Skull Champion with Power fist and Rhino

8x Plague Marines 2 with Flamers also Plague Champion with power fist and Combi Flamer with Rhino

1x Defiler With Reaper auto cannon and Havoc cannon

3x Obliterators

3x Obliterators

7x CSM with Aspiring champion with Twin-linked bolter and power weapon with a Rhino

So yea there is yet another list from me





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Stircrazy wrote:2x DP wings one with lash one with gift of chaos

9x Khorne berserker's with Skull Champion with Power fist and Rhino

8x Plague Marines 2 with Flamers also Plague Champion with power fist and Combi Flamer with Rhino

1x Defiler With Reaper auto cannon and Havoc cannon

3x Obliterators

3x Obliterators

7x CSM with Aspiring champion with Twin-linked bolter and power weapon with a Rhino

So yea there is yet another list from me


Thats a better list, but...

Gift of chaos really isnt good. You can only use it at the beginning of your turn, so have to rely on the enemy moving into you to get it off. It also isnt very likely to work. On a 50% chance for something thats T3, 33% chance for T4 and 17% chance for T5+. Although the idea of turning an MC into a spawn in good its almost never going to happen. Warp time is a much better choice of power for a prince. Also what marks do your DPs have? I assume they're both MoS since you need that to take lash, but you havent said.

Personally I think that having 2 extra DCC weapons on a defiler is better than any extra guns because the battlecannon is better to fire almost all of the time. If it gets destroyed you have fleet at big S10 5A nasty at them.

Your CSM dont really do much. They dont have any specal weapons to make much of an impact on the game and without an IoCG they will probably run away pretty quickly. I would drop two berzerkers and a plague marine and upgrade the whole squad to plague marines instead.

Other than that it looks ok]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1502776.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1502776.page GMT 1750 Chaos space marine list
Stircrazy wrote:2x DP wings one with lash one with gift of chaos

GoC just isn't a good power(esp for the huge point cost). I would take 2 lash princes, 2x MoN/Warptime/Wings princes, or 2x princes with just wings.
Stircrazy wrote:
9x Khorne berserker's with Skull Champion with Power fist and Rhino

Berzerkers are a great unit and you have them equipped to be as efficient as possible. Might drop the 9 down to 8 to be "khorny" (puns are fun), but otherwise solid.
Stircrazy wrote:
8x Plague Marines 2 with Flamers also Plague Champion with power fist and Combi Flamer with Rhino

2x flamers is probably not the best for plague marines. They are designed to double tap bolters before receiving a charge (and then holding the charging unit in place until they are ground into dust) and flamers aren't a great choice for that. Bring 2x melta, 2x plasma(great with their feel no pain rule), or at least 1x melta / 1x flamer if you must have flamers in this squad for some reason.
Stircrazy wrote:
1x Defiler With Reaper auto cannon and Havoc cannon

Drop the havoc cannon. A TL str5 small blast is not impressive and you already have the autocannon as a backup weapon to the cannon. The only other problem is these usually work best with 1) Another defiler to pair up with and 2)Plenty of other armored units to present other targets for anti-tank fire. As it stands you only have a few rhinos + this defiler and if your opponent has any kind of lascannon or long range anti-tank it is going at this rather tall model with poor front armor.
Stircrazy wrote:
3x Obliterators

3x Obliterators

I don't really like lists with 2x lash + massed oblits in the HS section(especially from people new to the army/hobby). They are expensive, easily killed, fear instant death(and only being t4 means they fear a lot), essentially immobile once on the board, and while versatile (their main strength and a good one) they only get 1 shot with any weapon for 75pts. Think about replacing one squad with another defiler(freeing up 75pts to get more troops or whatnot) to give yourself more armor value targets and another devastating BC shot.

My personal favorite would be replacing at least one squad of oblits with a squad of 5 havocs with autocannons. For 155pts you get 8 str7 48" range shots that devastate transports/light infantry/heavy infantry/pretty much anything besides av13-14. They don't fear instant death, can move easily if needed, and have the volume of fire to get through cover saves and the like.
Stircrazy wrote:
7x CSM with Aspiring champion with Twin-linked bolter and power weapon with a Rhino


Not sure what's going on with this squads equipment. Give them 2x melta or melta+flamer + powerfist. TL bolter and power weapon are not going to make a big difference in this type of squad. If you need to spend points get an Icon of Chaos Glory to keep them in the fight longer.






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Stircrazy wrote:Thanks for all your help im sitting at 1651 points any suggestions on what i should put in?


I would bump your Berserkers up to 10 men (21 points) and add a Personal Icon (5 points) to the Skull Champion for Deep Striking Oblits or DPs (bringing you to 1671).

I would also bump up your CSM Squad to a 10-man Squad (3x15 points) to gain a second special weapon (you should have a Melta as your first and Flamer/Missile Launcher as your second in that squad). This will increase your cost by 15 points (Melta 10, flamer 5). I would drop the TL-bolter on your Aspring Champ (-5 points), add an Icon of Chaos Glory (10 points) and upgrade the Power Weapon to a Power Fist (10 more points). This should bring your total to 1746 points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1503716.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1503716.page GMT 1750 Chaos space marine list lol]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1503736.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/289986/1503736.page GMT