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I know the avatar's a beast, so I'm not including him]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535141.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535141.page GMT Best Eldar CC unit

Seer Council? Anyone?

Also, the Avatar is just OK. He'll beat down MEQs. Oh man. And then the SM player just drops a Hammernator squad into him the moment he looks threatening. Or shoot him down on approach if they've alrady torn up the rest of the army.

And how are the BTangels going? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535154.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535154.page GMT Best Eldar CC unit CC eldar's unit".
I think that eldar MUST stay away from CC nowadays.Our CC masters are really weaker compared to other armies CC units.
But...everyone needs some counter-charge. So I'll vote Harlequins: Veil of Tears, Rending,Lot of Attacks, WS 5! WOW (Just keep in mind to not leave them in the middle of your enermy army...otherwise it's gonna be a very very very bad day for them )]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535206.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535206.page GMT Best Eldar CC unit
Harlequins are nice, but they are not so good on the tables I normally play on, as they are always within range of getting chewed up by something(veil of tears does not do much on a 3” wide table).

I usually run Striking Scorpions too, because we have lots of ork players at my FLGS, and being able to hurl out 36 str 4 int 5 attacks goes a long way to rebalancing the numbers.

Anyway, Shining Spears get my vote.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535257.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535257.page GMT Best Eldar CC unit thats because each of these units is geared towards a different purpose.
the 1 thing i will say is that the wraithlord should be discounted.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535265.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535265.page GMT Best Eldar CC unit
The foot seer council just isn't the same though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535455.page GMT Best Eldar CC unit
willydstyle wrote:The jetbike seer council really should be on this list.

The foot seer council just isn't the same though.


so how exactly does one add/subtract from a list?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535610.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535610.page GMT Re:Best Eldar CC unit http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535682.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535682.page GMT Best Eldar CC unit
That's what you're describing, and it's not good.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535686.page GMT Best Eldar CC unit
willydstyle wrote:The jetbike seer council really should be on this list.

The foot seer council just isn't the same though.

I forgot the foot ones existed

Exarch_Nektel wrote:
so how exactly does one add/subtract from a list?

Edit your OP, I guess? Good to see you back on Dakka more.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535706.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535706.page GMT Re:Best Eldar CC unit ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535715.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1535715.page GMT Best Eldar CC unit However, their use is rather limited.
A unit of Harlies works well as a counter-strike squad in a footslogging shooty Eldar army. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1536398.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1536398.page GMT Best Eldar CC unit PW and Defend skill. The -1 attack on opposing models is a great annoyance. Add Yriel's and Eldrad's Power Witch Blades and opponent goes poof via 3 power weapons in squad.

As mentioned before, Eldar really shouldn't be in HtH in 5th Ed game. They wipe out opponent and get shot to gak.

I've been running the Seer Councils in 'Ard Boyz test games. They are not as impressive as they once were. FNP Blood Angels really making HtH an all game affair. Fortune is key on the unit and the increased amount of psychic defense has potential to ruin that plan.

Eldar's lack of assault vehicle makes CC units not worth playing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1536935.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1536935.page GMT Best Eldar CC unit
Old Man Ultramarine wrote:I like the 10 man/elf Dire Avenger squad with Exarch. Exarch has Shimmer/PW and Defend skill. The -1 attack on opposing models is a great annoyance. Add Yriel's and Eldrad's Power Witch Blades and opponent goes poof via 3 power weapons in squad.

As mentioned before, Eldar really shouldn't be in HtH in 5th Ed game. They wipe out opponent and get shot to gak.

I've been running the Seer Councils in 'Ard Boyz test games. They are not as impressive as they once were. FNP Blood Angels really making HtH an all game affair. Fortune is key on the unit and the increased amount of psychic defense has potential to ruin that plan.

Eldar's lack of assault vehicle makes CC units not worth playing.


I think you've got it spot-on. The jetbike seer council is still impressive against older codices that do not have durable infantry, or good psychic defense, but against most modern codices, it is not what it used to be at all. I think in one matchup it really shines though, and this is a matchup that many other armies have a hard time dealing with: vehicle-spam IG. The ability to multi-charge vehicles that were likely stationary last turn with str 9 CC attacks is really great for clearing out parking lots.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1536980.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1536980.page GMT Best Eldar CC unit
Banshees come out on top purely in terms of damage I guess but still are let down by S3/reliance on Doom and often struggle with anything more than standard MEQ (i.e proper assault units). The closest Eldar have are Seer Councils, Foot Council with Eldrad/Yriel is probably a close second on damage output (but calling that a single unit is a bit a stretch, huge points investment) and JetCouncils are fast, put out decent damage and try to make up for the lack of killing power by simply refusing to die. The only problem being they are too easy to counter.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1536988.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1536988.page GMT Best Eldar CC unit
Powerguy wrote:The short answer is that in terms of reliable damage output Eldar don't have any. None of the units list can reliably take out a proper assault of another race.

Banshees come out on top purely in terms of damage I guess but still are let down by S3/reliance on Doom and often struggle with anything more than standard MEQ (i.e proper assault units). The closest Eldar have are Seer Councils, Foot Council with Eldrad/Yriel is probably a close second on damage output (but calling that a single unit is a bit a stretch, huge points investment) and JetCouncils are fast, put out decent damage and try to make up for the lack of killing power by simply refusing to die. The only problem being they are too easy to counter.


good sir, you haven't addressed striking scorpions or harlequins or shining spears.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1537081.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1537081.page GMT Best Eldar CC unit
Harlequins can be useful in a counter-attack role, but die easily to bolter/flamer fire, and cost enough points that they seriously detract from what the rest of your army can accomplish.

Shining spears cost too much, only come in units of 5, are only as tough as a marine, and don't actually hit that hard in CC. They're like a rough rider that costs 35 points instead of 10.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1537104.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1537104.page GMT Best Eldar CC unit http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1537386.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1537386.page GMT Best Eldar CC unit
But for most fun, I'm gonna have to say Wraithlord. While it's not the most potent in CC, It's fun to watch it crush what few units it can. Also, it's one of the few units that makes my opponents soil themselves. About a hundred points for something that is potentially damaging to any given part of their army if unchecked? yes please.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1537493.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1537493.page GMT Best Eldar CC unit
romulus571 wrote:I'm gonna go with Harlequins for best, they cut down hordes at high initiative and can still fleet. The rending is also a big bonus, and Veil of Tears definitely helps them make it into combat.

But for most fun, I'm gonna have to say Wraithlord. While it's not the most potent in CC, It's fun to watch it crush what few units it can. Also, it's one of the few units that makes my opponents soil themselves. About a hundred points for something that is potentially damaging to any given part of their army if unchecked? yes please.


I just don't get this idea that wraithlords cause so much damage. For their points they have very low offensive capacity, and their CC is only useful against armies whose infantry can get killed by sweeping advance..]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1537533.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1537533.page GMT Best Eldar CC unit http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1537736.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/292450/1537736.page GMT