shealyr wrote:Against something like Tyranids, that Deathstar unit can wreck shop before it's brought down, at considerable expense to your opponent.

Ed_Bodger wrote:A 900 point army seems silly to me. In fantasy it works fine a nice big Dragon that can swoop around killing pretty much everything and being vulnerable to very little that doesn't require luck is great.

In 40K terms however there is always something that can kill you. look at this example: Abaddon and five Chaos Terminators in a Landraider - this may be less than 900 points but I'm sure you get the general idea. We'll assume he is fighting the Imperial Guard. Two tanks that can munch this unit in one turn and would be expected to be in a lot of guard lists: Demolisher + executioner. Demolisher fires first pops open the Land Raider - but wait I hear you cry that takes some good dice rolling ok fine. Chimera with command squad and 4 melta guns drives to within 6" and fires Land Raider dead/Stormtroopers with 2 Melta Guns Gravchut deepstrike from Valerye Land Raider is dead.
Nex the Executioner fires and kills on average 3 Terminators + Wounds Abaddon who now has to footslog into the guard. Combined sqad fires at him at close range 60 Lasguns on Abby + 2 Termies = a lot of ones rolled.

This is just an example but I can think of so many ways of taking out this 900 point unit it is unbelievable and there is not even the argument that if you are concentrating on this unit then the rest of the army get you because in a 2000 pt game that only leaves 1000 points to get you and with a bit of intelligent target priority in 2 turns of shooting you could have most of your army in tact and your opponent could loose 2 units and be down to 750 points.

Baxx wrote:

Ed_Bodger wrote:A 900 point army seems silly to me. In fantasy it works fine a nice big Dragon that can swoop around killing pretty much everything and being vulnerable to very little that doesn't require luck is great.

In 40K terms however there is always something that can kill you. look at this example: Abaddon and five Chaos Terminators in a Landraider - this may be less than 900 points but I'm sure you get the general idea. We'll assume he is fighting the Imperial Guard. Two tanks that can munch this unit in one turn and would be expected to be in a lot of guard lists: Demolisher + executioner. Demolisher fires first pops open the Land Raider - but wait I hear you cry that takes some good dice rolling ok fine. Chimera with command squad and 4 melta guns drives to within 6" and fires Land Raider dead/Stormtroopers with 2 Melta Guns Gravchut deepstrike from Valerye Land Raider is dead.
Nex the Executioner fires and kills on average 3 Terminators + Wounds Abaddon who now has to footslog into the guard. Combined sqad fires at him at close range 60 Lasguns on Abby + 2 Termies = a lot of ones rolled.

This is just an example but I can think of so many ways of taking out this 900 point unit it is unbelievable and there is not even the argument that if you are concentrating on this unit then the rest of the army get you because in a 2000 pt game that only leaves 1000 points to get you and with a bit of intelligent target priority in 2 turns of shooting you could have most of your army in tact and your opponent could loose 2 units and be down to 750 points.

Sounds easy to take out a power unit that can't survive alot of shots. Why don't you use this unit in your example:

10 Assault Terminators, 10 Storm Shields, Sanguinary Priest with Terminator Armour. 535pts.

Baxx wrote:

Ed_Bodger wrote:A 900 point army seems silly to me. In fantasy it works fine a nice big Dragon that can swoop around killing pretty much everything and being vulnerable to very little that doesn't require luck is great.

In 40K terms however there is always something that can kill you. look at this example: Abaddon and five Chaos Terminators in a Landraider - this may be less than 900 points but I'm sure you get the general idea. We'll assume he is fighting the Imperial Guard. Two tanks that can munch this unit in one turn and would be expected to be in a lot of guard lists: Demolisher + executioner. Demolisher fires first pops open the Land Raider - but wait I hear you cry that takes some good dice rolling ok fine. Chimera with command squad and 4 melta guns drives to within 6" and fires Land Raider dead/Stormtroopers with 2 Melta Guns Gravchut deepstrike from Valerye Land Raider is dead.
Nex the Executioner fires and kills on average 3 Terminators + Wounds Abaddon who now has to footslog into the guard. Combined sqad fires at him at close range 60 Lasguns on Abby + 2 Termies = a lot of ones rolled.

This is just an example but I can think of so many ways of taking out this 900 point unit it is unbelievable and there is not even the argument that if you are concentrating on this unit then the rest of the army get you because in a 2000 pt game that only leaves 1000 points to get you and with a bit of intelligent target priority in 2 turns of shooting you could have most of your army in tact and your opponent could loose 2 units and be down to 750 points.

Sounds easy to take out a power unit that can't survive alot of shots. Why don't you use this unit in your example:

10 Assault Terminators, 10 Storm Shields, Sanguinary Priest with Terminator Armour. 535pts.

Baxx wrote:10 Assault Terminators, 10 Storm Shields, Sanguinary Priest with Terminator Armour. 535pts.

Just Dave wrote:

Baxx wrote:10 Assault Terminators, 10 Storm Shields, Sanguinary Priest with Terminator Armour. 535pts.

Oh yeah, now that's incredibly hard to stop, however, that's a freakin' good deal at 535pts!

The guy that suggested the 900pts unit, had them all in a Landraider as well. It was something like:
- Ragnar
- Wolf Priest
- Arjac
- 2xWolf Guard w/ SS's.

I think such a unit is riddled with too many flaws, particularly all being in on vehicle. As someone mentioned, this one 900pts unit would have to stand up to 2000pts worth of fire...

whitedragon wrote:
- 8 Blood Crushers and Skulltaker or a Herald

deviant cadaver wrote:

whitedragon wrote:
- 8 Blood Crushers and Skulltaker or a Herald

if you going to call blood crushers a deathstar at least do them right.

They can be useful in victory point terms, becasue your opponent has to fight so very hard to claim any points, whilst your unit of doom munches away on theirs. I say they are worth it, fielding a deathstar in a small points game means that your opponent is probably unpreppered to kill it, the higher the point game, the less shock value you get.