<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "The great debate"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/8.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net The great debate Black?
or white?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1547029.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1547029.page GMT Re:The great debate Granesh]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1547042.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1547042.page GMT Re:The great debate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1547057.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1547057.page GMT Re:The great debate
Im a fan of black primer simply because it does do its own shadowing if you are careful not to get paint into the recessed areas of a model.

If you're painting dark colors, stick with black as the paint applied wont show stroke marks if it is uneven, and the opposite is the same for light colors and white primer.

I also have an aversion towards white primer cause where I live in the super-arid state of Colorado, white paint dries unmercifully fast and leaves coats looking like you dusted white on the models. Totally not fun if you are trying to get a smooth coat.

Happy painting!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1547072.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1547072.page GMT The great debate http://shop.thearmypainter.com/products.php?ProductGroupId=2

The greenskin color is the exact same shade as snot green, the base color of my marines. Makes painting VERY fast

my flgs carries the stuff, so I don't have to pay shipping.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1547076.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1547076.page GMT The great debate
I enjoy how it helps when I am painting an entire eldar army white]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1547097.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1547097.page GMT The great debate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1547189.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1547189.page GMT The great debate they're brightly coloured and shouldn't be in too much shadow
black for painting my marines
it adds lowlights and makes everything look cooler]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1553891.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1553891.page GMT The great debate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1553893.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1553893.page GMT The great debate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1553894.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1553894.page GMT The great debate I've used it but i had to use several coats to get an even coat. I don't have that proplem with black]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1553899.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1553899.page GMT The great debate
No point imho trying to cover black if the colour is a light hue.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1553946.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1553946.page GMT The great debate
I use white for models which are small or are going to have bright colours.

I find black too murky.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1553962.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1553962.page GMT The great debate ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1553981.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1553981.page GMT Re:The great debate
If I am going for a bright color, I paint white over the black basecoat where the color is going to go. 2-3 thin coats works just fine without obscuring details]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1553989.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1553989.page GMT The great debate GW Hm team themes).
personally i use both, its a question always of the right tool for the right job.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1553998.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1553998.page GMT The great debate
NoToTheMan wrote:Which do you think is better for bace coating models:
Black?
or white?


always depends on what colors you want to use and how you want them to look like.

every color looks different on different basecoats and has a different coverage.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1554005.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1554005.page GMT The great debate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1554055.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1554055.page GMT Re:The great debate For example my Iron warriors are primed black, and my Imperial fists are primed white. On the other hand I'll occasionally use grey primer, for a more muted colour.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1554070.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1554070.page GMT The great debate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1554375.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1554375.page GMT The great debate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1554379.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1554379.page GMT The great debate
whowhatnow wrote:ive actually been using grey primer Ive been able to use it and get some pretty bright colors or some pretty dark ones easily


does gray work well with painting white scars?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1563248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1563248.page GMT Re:The great debate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1563476.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1563476.page GMT The great debate IG), camo brown (Blood Angels), and camo khaki (Tau)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1563492.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1563492.page GMT Re:The great debate
KingCracker wrote:I spray the minis black, but when I do skin parts (so on Orks thats ALMOST half) Ill go over the skin parts with a white primer now. So I guess Im about half and half


there's a company out there that has a great primer that's the same colour as goblin green
that's what my friend uses for his orks]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1563532.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1563532.page GMT The great debate I like my reds, yellows and greens to pop!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1563728.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1563728.page GMT The great debate
I use a Light Gray as my primer coat.

It lets brighter colors pop, and still allows darker colors to shade well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1563739.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1563739.page GMT The great debate
Or I cheat and use Tamiya green sprays.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1563765.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1563765.page GMT The great debate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1563815.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1563815.page GMT The great debate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1564898.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1564898.page GMT Re:The great debate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1565295.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1565295.page GMT Re:The great debate
carabine wrote:Black, most armies I do need a darker tone to them anyways.


you play blood angels
i would expect a darker tone
i don't see many white death company]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1608511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1608511.page GMT The great debate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1608522.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1608522.page GMT The great debate
SomaRukido wrote:I think it depends on the color scheme of your models. If your painting them with lighter colors use the white primer. If you're using darker colors get the black primer


Yeah agreed, I didn't think it was a debate...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1608632.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1608632.page GMT The great debate 40k more than washed pretty pastels. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1608704.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1608704.page GMT Re:The great debate
NoToTheMan wrote:
KingCracker wrote:I spray the minis black, but when I do skin parts (so on Orks thats ALMOST half) Ill go over the skin parts with a white primer now. So I guess Im about half and half


there's a company out there that has a great primer that's the same colour as goblin green
that's what my friend uses for his orks



Nope that would throw off the way I paint my Orks skin now. White base makes the colors more vibrant and bright. A green base would dull it down. Heres a half assed shot of how I do it
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although it usually depends on the color scheme your going with for your army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1608949.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1608949.page GMT The great debate i just used three costs and it works well]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1608962.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1608962.page GMT The great debate
With black you paint the color and leave the shadows. With white you paint the shadows and then paint over with the color.

Plus, 40k is grimdark. White produces clean uniforms.

Also, white makes colors too bright. It makes them look like Hasbro or Mattel toys, all bright, shiney, and plasticky.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1609043.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1609043.page GMT The great debate
Ailaros wrote:Black.

With black you paint the color and leave the shadows. With white you paint the shadows and then paint over with the color.

Plus, 40k is grimdark. White produces clean uniforms.

Also, white makes colors too bright. It makes them look like Hasbro or Mattel toys, all bright, shiney, and plasticky.


i agree 100%]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1609107.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1609107.page GMT The great debate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1609161.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1609161.page GMT The great debate
Primers are supposed to make your job easy. You need to plan ahead, be mindful of your intended colors, and THEN choose a primer.

If I were painting Blood Angels, I'd use a red primer. Primering the following guy black was a HUGE mistake. It took tons of coats and 3-4 times longer than it should have to paint, but I like the final outcome.



If I were painting IG tanks, I'd use green because green camo looks awesome.

When I paint my Black Templars, I use black. Duh. Then all I have to do is highlight and add a few colors. These guys were super fast to paint after a black primer.



When I'm going to paint something that has a lot of light color, such as reds and yellows, I prime white.

I don't use my grey as often as I used to, though. Now that I've gotten more experienced with painting, I don't need the "crutch" of grey. To me, grey is for times when you haven't decided on a color, so you go for a middle ground. It's also a good choice of primer for medium colors, like greens and blues.

Black primer is great because I LOVE to include black-lining on my miniatures. Dramatic black lining, like this guy.
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Here is an example:

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In the grim darkness of the future... white primer makes your mega-butch veteran super soldier look like a Saturday morning cartoon.

That said, black primer makes it easier to achieve the look I'm going for, but it's by no means the only way.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1610819.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1610819.page GMT The great debate CoD Cadians wear grey fatigues, so it provides the perfect basecoat for them. It also covers larger models extremely well, lets bright colours 'pop', and provides a solid base for darker colours.

It also makes for great concrete terrain with a simple black wash:]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1610848.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1610848.page GMT The great debate
Black primer to me is more reminiscent of when I was younger and didnt know any better or had enough skill to use a white basecoat. Red's and yellows didnt pop, white was next to impossible to get right etc. I've seen models on tables where a yellow is slopped on over a black coat and the modeler is wondering why he cant get yellow right. Sheesh!

Now with a white basecoat, I feel that I have a broader range to take my colors to. I can stain the white to look dirty, dusty etc, and build up my shading with inks then watered down paint.

Also, with a black basecoat, you use more paint as you try to build up to the proper color (ex: bright reds, bluse etc).

@oadie: Where are you in New Brumfus (near Rutgers)? Are the grease trucks even there anymore? I went to Rutgers WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY wayyyyyyyy back and was wondering....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1610860.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1610860.page GMT The great debate
BLACK!!!*




* unless you're playing an army where there is a lot of base color that matches a primer color, like spraying ultramarines blue, or priming blood angels red, etc.

...saturday morning cartoon... classic...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1611004.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1611004.page GMT The great debate
Ailaros wrote:

* unless you're playing an army where there is a lot of base color that matches a primer color, like spraying ultramarines blue, or priming blood angels red, etc.



Seconded.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1611045.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1611045.page GMT The great debate that would help a lot]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1614312.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1614312.page GMT The great debate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1614316.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293222/1614316.page GMT