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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "EDR ( event data recorder ) systems in your car, voluntary in the US and maybe mandatory in the EU?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/54.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net EDR ( event data recorder ) systems in your car, voluntary in the US and maybe mandatory in the EU?
Read an article about electronics in cars. Mentioned EDR as a "black box", used to provide data collected with the cars own electronics. There seems to be a specification of those EDR by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in the US.
So were looking at the first stages of black boxes in cars?

Unfortunatly, the EU seems fond of the idea of mandatory EDR's in new cars.

Pro's:

- recorded data for accidents
- recorded data to base the value of a vehicle on when sold

con's:

- recorded data of any misdeed against national laws
- recorded data to be used in leasing contracts, car insurance,guarantee,...
- recorded data to be used in movement profiles
- recorded data to install a general toll system nation/continent wide

How does the recording of data and its provision to your government affect you?

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Sadly, i wouldn't trust any company or government to use the data responsibly; they'd either sell it on to the highest bidder or use it to make more money from the populace.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1552999.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1552999.page GMT EDR ( event data recorder ) systems in your car, voluntary in the US and maybe mandatory in the EU?
I wouldn't mind if just recorded 15 or 30mins data at at a time so there would be info leading upto during and after an accident or incident.

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Mr. Burning wrote:@1hadhq I hadn't even heard of this until you posted this.

I wouldn't mind if just recorded 15 or 30mins data at at a time so there would be info leading upto during and after an accident or incident.

Volkswagen did reconstruct an accident with an VW Phaeton for the Austrian police ( accident of Jörg Haider, politician ),
without a EDR just the collected data of the electronics.
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Hope Australia never gets such lameness. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553046.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553046.page GMT EDR ( event data recorder ) systems in your car, voluntary in the US and maybe mandatory in the EU?
There is the chance of a loss of privacy, OTOH data from an EDR and mobile phonesm etc could also be used to provide an alibi.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553052.page GMT EDR ( event data recorder ) systems in your car, voluntary in the US and maybe mandatory in the EU?
For example, your gps in your car.. Naturally has your home address on it. So when your at the shops I smash window, steal gps and can now safely rob your home because your at the shops. Without the gps this is impossible and would take heaps of effort.

Go go stupid invasive technology.

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]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553081.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553081.page GMT Re:EDR ( event data recorder ) systems in your car, voluntary in the US and maybe mandatory in the EU? HQ. Where it was accessed by mercedes.
They were able to determine the speed, what gear it was in. And if it was accelerating or braking ETC.
All this was determined via engine revs, inlet manifold vacuum electronic gear selection

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Kilkrazy wrote:So that's what is behind the appalling wave of car smash and GPS grab house burglary which has been sweeping the western world and Japan in recent years!

Whatever. If its not such an issue why would some of the people who got their gps' stolen at a mall I used to work at rush home out of fear of just that?

If you think its a great idea for the government to know everything about your movements feel free.
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Shaman wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:So that's what is behind the appalling wave of car smash and GPS grab house burglary which has been sweeping the western world and Japan in recent years!

If government is EEEEVIL, why not take it apart, like all you freedom lovers out there seem to want?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553231.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553231.page GMT EDR ( event data recorder ) systems in your car, voluntary in the US and maybe mandatory in the EU? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553365.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553365.page GMT EDR ( event data recorder ) systems in your car, voluntary in the US and maybe mandatory in the EU?

And I was being serious. Nut up or shut up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553385.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553385.page GMT Re:EDR ( event data recorder ) systems in your car, voluntary in the US and maybe mandatory in the EU?

ok.....collecting data has exactly to do with your posts how?

Did assume one already chose to volunteer for a "black box" in the US ( maybe discount at car insurance? ), so no?

Personally dislike the idea, cause data + government without money = new source of income.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553495.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553495.page GMT EDR ( event data recorder ) systems in your car, voluntary in the US and maybe mandatory in the EU? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553513.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553513.page GMT EDR ( event data recorder ) systems in your car, voluntary in the US and maybe mandatory in the EU?

Shaman wrote:
For example, your gps in your car.. Naturally has your home address on it. So when your at the shops I smash window, steal gps and can now safely rob your home because your at the shops. Without the gps this is impossible and would take heaps of effort.

Uh, not really. It isn't hard to watch a house. Certainly no harder than hacking a GPS database.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553715.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553715.page GMT EDR ( event data recorder ) systems in your car, voluntary in the US and maybe mandatory in the EU?

Ahtman wrote:Won't someone think of the children?

That's illegal now.

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Shaman wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:So that's what is behind the appalling wave of car smash and GPS grab house burglary which has been sweeping the western world and Japan in recent years!

Whatever. If its not such an issue why would some of the people who got their gps' stolen at a mall I used to work at rush home out of fear of just that?

Maybe they are scared? Doesn't mean it's real.

Easy fix, don't program your home in the TomTom, program the local police station instead.

Shaman wrote:
If you think its a great idea for the government to know everything about your movements feel free.

So it's good if you are flying and bad if you are in a car?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553790.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553790.page GMT EDR ( event data recorder ) systems in your car, voluntary in the US and maybe mandatory in the EU? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553823.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1553823.page GMT EDR ( event data recorder ) systems in your car, voluntary in the US and maybe mandatory in the EU? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1554310.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1554310.page GMT Re:EDR ( event data recorder ) systems in your car, voluntary in the US and maybe mandatory in the EU?
Isn't the probability of a outsourced data storage ( and the possibility of access of several interested parties ) a greater threat?

Example:

- your car may record your behaviour.
- it may record when you passed a speed limit.
- the EDR may now:
a) inform the police if you violated it, or
b) the electronis automatically slow you down but your attempt to violate is recorded
so the EDR could get you in trouble, either with the official traffic control or in a worst case scenario with your insurance ( tends to drive too fast ).

Electronics may assist you ( brake when too fast ) or assist someone else ( don't hinder you but inform others ).
A lot of data is already collected and a EDR could go both ways, helping you in an accident or quality issues of your vehicle, or just
benefit those your having a contract with.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1554990.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/293581/1554990.page GMT EDR ( event data recorder ) systems in your car, voluntary in the US and maybe mandatory in the EU?
The data could be collected and used for good or bad purposes.

It's the same as other gathering of information about people.
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