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A RPG would completely demolish the cover whoever's hiding behind has.

The XM-25 can be loaded with fletchette rounds that can kill whoever's hiding behind the cover, but leave the cover and anyone who's outside of the killzone untouched.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559668.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559668.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
Kanluwen wrote:Yes and no.

A RPG would completely demolish the cover whoever's hiding behind has.

The XM-25 can be loaded with fletchette rounds that can kill whoever's hiding behind the cover, but leave the cover and anyone who's outside of the killzone untouched.


The point of THAT being...? I am honestly struggling to think of an application for this weapon that would be important enough to justify it's no doubt relatively enormous cost.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559684.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559684.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559697.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559697.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
That's huge.

It allows cleaner engagements in urban settings, since insurgents/enemy forces hiding in civilian buildings to force engagements where the attackers can be claimed to be "endangering civilians" and allows the avoidance of potential incidents where a Hellfire rocket or an M203 round, or other form of high explosive to clear out a sniper nest/RPG crew/MG team, etc kills dozens of civilians in addition to the fifty insurgents.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559698.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559743.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559743.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559746.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559746.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559747.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559747.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
Kanluwen wrote:Or you just aim it at the window that has muzzle flashes?


And they happen to be firing from a room filled with civilians?

I really don't think they're stupid enough to stay in one place while you're launching grenades at them. This is a neat piece of gadgetry but it has more place in Halo/UT than the real world.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559774.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559774.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
dogma wrote:So they didn't cancel the XM32, they re-packaged it?
I think you mean XM29.

You guys want to talk about expensive unnecessary military equipment just take a look at this bad boy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt_class_destroyer
$3.3 billion a pop, three time the cost of the ship it's intending to replace. The irony of naming it after CNO Elmo Zumwalt is apparently lost on the Navy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559780.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559780.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
J.Black wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Or you just aim it at the window that has muzzle flashes?


And they happen to be firing from a room filled with civilians?

I really don't think they're stupid enough to stay in one place while you're launching grenades at them. This is a neat piece of gadgetry but it has more place in Halo/UT than the real world.

You're really stretching there in giving the yahoos that Al Qaeda and insurgent forces are able to get credit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559817.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559817.page GMT Re:The proto boltgun will soon be in use
Kanluwen wrote:It allows cleaner engagements in urban settings


Once the bullets start flying, the idea of a 'clean engagement in an urban setting' enters the realm of relativism.

This weapon is a cool toy, nothing more IMO. I would question it's cost vs. utility.

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Kanluwen wrote:
J.Black wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Or you just aim it at the window that has muzzle flashes?


And they happen to be firing from a room filled with civilians?

I really don't think they're stupid enough to stay in one place while you're launching grenades at them. This is a neat piece of gadgetry but it has more place in Halo/UT than the real world.

You're really stretching there in giving the yahoos that Al Qaeda and insurgent forces are able to get credit.


Ask mattyrm about this - from what he has told me Taliban fighters are anything but stupid. Suicidally brave? Yes. Unsophisticated? Yes.

Stupid? No.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559829.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559829.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use RPG.

An RPG is a fething missile, it shoots ONE MISSILE, and then you have to reload it with another (taking a few bullets to the head while your at it)

Think of this as a M-16, with grenades inside the bullets that are smart.

I think then we're on the same page (don't forget how fast it can fire compared to an RPG)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559836.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559836.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
agnosto wrote:oooh, me like. How many rounds does that clip hold though? The rounds looked largish.

I think it depends on the type of rounds loaded. They've got high explosive rounds, fletchette/fragmentation rounds, and supposedly "sticky" rounds that have RDX on them that allow them to blow clean through walls(the sticky rounds, from what I understand are more complicated than I explained them--but they've used them with the Barretts and other high caliber sniper rifles).

It's also worth noting that it's not intended to be a general infantry weapon, but more of a squad support weapon ala the M203 is now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559841.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559841.page GMT Re:The proto boltgun will soon be in use
I think it's uses are more in the realm of declared warfare, against a cleary identifiable foe, and not when in engagements in which civilians are so close as
seems to be the case in the Middle East.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559842.page GMT Re:The proto boltgun will soon be in use
Albatross wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:It allows cleaner engagements in urban settings


Once the bullets start flying, the idea of a 'clean engagement in an urban setting' enters the realm of relativism.

This weapon is a cool toy, nothing more IMO. I would question its cost vs. utility.


Then you're not questioning the cost well.

Right now, using a LAW on a barricaded building effectively reduces a combat unit's firepower that they can bring to bear later. Add to it that the other ways(helicopters, airstrikes, tank engagements, etc) all are hideously expensive for basically killing one small unit.

That's not the case here, as they can carry more ammunition and it's reusable--and relatively compact to boot. With the shift to Stryker Brigades, etc--compact multi-use weaponry that's adaptable to situations is becoming more preferable to weapon with clear and limited roles.

This is something that, again, is a bit more adaptable than a standard RPG or LAW.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559859.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559859.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
Albatross wrote:Can't you get a similar effect with an RPG? They're probably a fraction of the cost. I mean, the fact that you can laser-designate and adjust the range to drop rounds in through windows is cool, but it's not like it can fire around corners.

You can get a similar effect with a mortar round too. Same with a tank canons and a nuclear weapon. The difference being that this is an easily portable anti infantry weapon that can carry likely 20+ rounds into combat vs a practical maximum of three with an rpg-7. If you're comparing it to a javelin than you're off base in almost every single way considering the missiles from a jav cost over 100 thousand dollars each. This directly compares to other rifle based grenade launchers, of which this is arguably superior given the inherent range and accuracy of the firing method.

This is nothing like an rpg.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559860.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559860.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
Karon wrote:I fail to see the argument versus this and an RPG.

An RPG is a fething missile, it shoots ONE MISSILE, and then you have to reload it with another (taking a few bullets to the head while your at it)

Think of this as a M-16, with grenades inside the bullets that are smart.

I think then we're on the same page (don't forget how fast it can fire compared to an RPG)


It's not about which has a faster rate of fire - how many grenades do you need to fire into a building to get the desired effect (bad guys inside dead) anyway? My point was an RPG is feth-loads cheaper. Which is true.

And I am aware of how an RPG works, you patronising arse.

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It's not about which has a faster rate of fire - how many grenades do you need to fire into a building to get the desired effect (bad guys inside dead) anyway? My point was an RPG is feth-loads cheaper. Which is true.


Who cares, we spent billions of dollars putting lasers onto 747s and the javelin missile launcher with a missile costs more than a really nice bwm. This thing is chump change.

And I am aware of how an RPG works, you patronising arse.


Than stop comparing the two, they are entirely different in both form and function.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559879.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559879.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
ShumaGorath wrote:
Albatross wrote:Can't you get a similar effect with an RPG? They're probably a fraction of the cost. I mean, the fact that you can laser-designate and adjust the range to drop rounds in through windows is cool, but it's not like it can fire around corners.

You can get a similar effect with a mortar round too. Same with a tank canons and a nuclear weapon. The difference being that this is an easily portable anti infantry weapon that can carry likely 20+ rounds into combat vs a practical maximum of three with an rpg-7. If you're comparing it to a javelin than you're off base in almost every single way considering the missiles from a jav cost over 100 thousand dollars each. This directly compares to other rifle based grenade launchers, of which this is arguably superior given the inherent range and accuracy of the firing method.

This is nothing like an rpg.


I never said it was anything like an RPG - I asked whether or not you could get a similar effect with an RPG for a fraction of the cost. Which is reasonable. I wasn't talking about a Javelin, but yes, they are hideously expensive. As will this latest U.S. Army toy be. Don't worry, I'm sure it will win the war for the Coalition - I mean, the Taliban only have AKs, RPGs, and IEDs. They don't stand a chance.

Glad to see I've got all the keyboard generals out, though. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559896.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559896.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
They don't do weapons development thinking "How can we fool the Taliban now!"(sidenote: The Taliban is effectively dead. It was a regime, which is gone. The remainder is pretty much Al Qaeda die-hards through and through).

And you can get a similar effect *once* with a RPG or LAW.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559902.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559902.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
never said it was anything like an RPG - I asked whether or not you could get a similar effect with an RPG for a fraction of the cost. Which is reasonable.


It's a reasonable question and the answer is no. An RPG-7 isn't accurate enough and carries heavy variable loads. It's use would ensure a large amount of collateral for minimal and unnecessary effect. Soldiers carried grenade launchers for the last 60 years because rocket launchers are heavy and ill suited for infantry warfare. That didn't change.

I wasn't talking about a Javelin, but yes, they are hideously expensive.


Than were you talking about the at4? Unless we're buying our arms from the russians those are basically the options on the table. The rpg-7 sucks at taking out vehicles and hard fortifications, which is why countries that can afford better weapons don't use it any more.

As will this latest U.S. Army toy be. Don't worry, I'm sure it will win the war for the Coalition - I mean, the Taliban only have AKs, RPGs, and IEDs. They don't stand a chance.


Glibness aside your factually incorrect and you're making an illogical and fallacy ridden argument. I'm not a keyboard general, you're just wrong enough for it to be obvious to anyone with a genius level IQ like mine.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559905.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559905.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
Kanluwen wrote:Except it's not meant to be used just against the Taliban...?
They don't do weapons development thinking "How can we fool the Taliban now!"


Good point, all the stockpiling of weapons for a future war with the USSR you guys did worked out REEEEALLY well and wasn't a waste of money at all.
The US and it's allies will find themselves fighting this sort of war for the forseeable future, I reckon. That's just speculation on my part though...


Kanluwen wrote:
(sidenote: The Taliban is effectively dead. It was a regime, which is gone. The remainder is pretty much Al Qaeda die-hards through and through).

Cool. I guess I'll let you get back to briefing high-level government officials, then.

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Good point, all the stockpiling of weapons for a future war with the USSR you guys did worked out REEEEALLY well and wasn't a waste of money at all.
The US and it's allies will find themselves fighting this sort of war for the forseeable future, I reckon. That's just speculation on my part though...


The weapon is perfectly suited to and seemingly designed for counterinsurgency warfare. I don't understand what the point is you're making. Are you just pissed off about the military industrial complex or something? Your argument is constantly shifting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559934.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559934.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559941.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559941.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
J.Black wrote:I think the point he's making is the same as mine. This is just another nice piece of gadgetry for all the soldiers to get a hard on over, and for the military to further justify spending the GDP of Belgium every year on new and more interesting ways to kill people.


Yeah, but we're spending that money regardless. It's not like it's just not going to get spent, I'd rather it get spent on something with results than on laserplanes and fighters that can't fly in the rain. Were that his argument from the start there wouldn't be much of an issue, but his semi constant comparisons to other less expensive and defunct weapons platforms aren't helping his point.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559949.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559949.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
avantgarde wrote: I think you mean XM29.


Yeah. Apparently I put a short on the XM312? Weird mistake.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559952.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559952.page GMT Re:The proto boltgun will soon be in use
Shuma wrote: Glibness aside your factually incorrect and you're making an illogical and fallacy ridden argument.


Which is? What? That an RPG is cheaper and still blows things up? That's true. I'm not claiming anything other than that.

Do you have any idea how shrill and hysterical you come across as when you act like this by the way?


Shuma wrote:I'm not a keyboard general, you're just wrong enough for it to be obvious to anyone with a genius level IQ like mine.


Oh, here we fething go... what are you over-compensating for? I also happen to have an IQ that is way above average, but this is the first time I've actually brought that up on this forum. Unlike you. Seriously, demonstrate it instead of screeching about it at every opportunity.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559954.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559954.page GMT Re:The proto boltgun will soon be in use
Albatross wrote:
Shuma wrote: Glibness aside your factually incorrect and you're making an illogical and fallacy ridden argument.


Which is? What? That an RPG is cheaper and still blows things up? That's true. I'm not claiming anything other than that.

Do you have any idea how shrill and hysterical you come across as when you act like this by the way?

Except, once again, that's the difference.
The RPG destroys everything.
This leaves the room(and the building it's in) intact, while clearing the room of hostiles.
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Still, this weapon has cost too much, and does too little. Just like most of the FCS program.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559957.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559957.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
Which is? What? That an RPG is cheaper and still blows things up? That's true. I'm not claiming anything other than that.
So does dynamite. Backpedaling doesn't actually make a bike go backwards.

Do you have any idea how shrill and hysterical you come across as when you act like this by the way?
It's the internet and my avatar and signature are five weird smiley faces with odd connotations to them. Do you really think I care about the tone of my voice in your head as you read my posts?

Oh, here we fething go... what are you over-compensating for?
Awful, horrible abandonment issues.

I also happen to have an IQ that is way above average, but this is the first time I've actually brought that up on this forum.
We all knew, it's ok to admit it. We aren't judging you.

Unlike you. Seriously, demonstrate it instead of screeching about it at every opportunity.
I'll try and control the volume of my your head voice. Do you have any idea how shrill and hysterical you come across as when you act like this by the way? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559958.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559958.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559961.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559961.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
ShumaGorath wrote:
Good point, all the stockpiling of weapons for a future war with the USSR you guys did worked out REEEEALLY well and wasn't a waste of money at all.
The US and it's allies will find themselves fighting this sort of war for the forseeable future, I reckon. That's just speculation on my part though...


The weapon is perfectly suited to and seemingly designed for counterinsurgency warfare. I don't understand what the point is you're making. Are you just pissed off about the military industrial complex or something? Your argument is constantly shifting.


What fething argument?! I'm not making a case for anything, just shooting the fething breeze! What are you talking about? The post you quoted was replying to Kanluwen in any case, and has been taken out of context, the original context of the statement being as a reply to this:
Kanluwen wrote:Except it's not meant to be used just against the Taliban...?
They don't do weapons development thinking "How can we fool the Taliban now!"


Holy gak, you make Dakka tedious sometimes...
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What fething argument?! I'm not making a case for anything, just shooting the fething breeze! What are you talking about?


Hyperliteral interpretations of peoples posts when they are just being snide is how I bring home all that sweet genius fund money.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559973.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559973.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use

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Before anyone asks:
It's Shuma who wears the tinfoil hat.

It's to protect his brains from the aliens that run the Tea Parties.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559975.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559975.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use his brain?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559986.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559986.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
J.Black wrote:Are you sure it's not to protect the aliens that run tea parties from his brain?


His gorgeous, gorgeous brain.....

/wistful



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ShumaGorath wrote:Glibness aside your factually incorrect and you're making an illogical and fallacy ridden argument. I'm not a keyboard general, you're just wrong enough for it to be obvious to anyone with a genius level IQ like mine.
a genius level IQ like mine
your factually incorrect

lawl]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559998.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1559998.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
Orkeosaurus wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:Glibness aside your factually incorrect and you're making an illogical and fallacy ridden argument. I'm not a keyboard general, you're just wrong enough for it to be obvious to anyone with a genius level IQ like mine.
a genius level IQ like mine
your factually incorrect

lawl


Uh-oh..this 3-way snide-off just became a Royal Rumble!

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Albatross wrote:
Orkeosaurus wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:Glibness aside your factually incorrect and you're making an illogical and fallacy ridden argument. I'm not a keyboard general, you're just wrong enough for it to be obvious to anyone with a genius level IQ like mine.
a genius level IQ like mine
your factually incorrect

lawl


Uh-oh..this 3-way snide-off just became a Royal Rumble!





You can't possibly beat me and what you're all hearing is my sweet blowback.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1560025.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1560025.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use

And what do you mean by 'sweet blowback'?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1560040.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1560040.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1560060.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1560060.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1560150.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1560150.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
ShumaGorath wrote:It's the name of the hairstyle. Implies that it's blown back.


Ah. Over here a 'blowback' is something teenagers do when smoking pot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1560160.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1560160.page GMT Re:The proto boltgun will soon be in use
Kanluwen wrote:
The RPG destroys everything.
This leaves the room(and the building it's in) intact, while clearing the room of hostiles.


i can dig that, less accidental casualties, less structural damage which america will have to pay to fix and more importantly another piece of tech to put the fear off (omnipotent being of your choice) into the enemy]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1560168.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1560168.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
n any event, I can't see them staying with the XM-25 as a standalone for two long. After all, the 'Blooper' and the M16A1 were eventually merged into the ever popular M16/M203 combo. I'm sure as the guidnace/airbursting technology becomes miniaturized, we'll see the guidance computer as a replacement for optics like various ACOGs or an M68 CCO, connected to an underslung 25mm launcher unit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1564220.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1564220.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
Commander Endova wrote:I liked the technology better when it was nicely packaged up as the OICW. To be honest, I can't remember off the top of my head the comparative weights involved here, but it seems like carrying the XM-25 as well as an assault rifle, plus ammo would end up being weighty regardless.


The XM29 was an assault rifle combined with the XM25. They would weigh roughly the same amount.

In fact, the separation of the XM25 from the XM8 allows for weight to be well disbursed.

Commander Endova wrote:
n any event, I can't see them staying with the XM-25 as a standalone for two long. After all, the 'Blooper' and the M16A1 were eventually merged into the ever popular M16/M203 combo.


The XM25 is a squad weapon, not a general use weapon.

Commander Endova wrote:
I'm sure as the guidnace/airbursting technology becomes miniaturized, we'll see the guidance computer as a replacement for optics like various ACOGs or an M68 CCO, connected to an underslung 25mm launcher unit.


FCS is very expensive.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1564235.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/294003/1564235.page GMT The proto boltgun will soon be in use
dogma wrote:
Commander Endova wrote:I liked the technology better when it was nicely packaged up as the OICW. To be honest, I can't remember off the top of my head the comparative weights involved here, but it seems like carrying the XM-25 as well as an assault rifle, plus ammo would end up being weighty regardless.


The XM29 was an assault rifle combined with the XM25. They would weigh roughly the same amount.

In fact, the separation of the XM25 from the XM8 allows for weight to be well disbursed.

You're probably right. I'm just saying, personally, I'd rather have both in one package. I don't mind a heavy weapon, and would prefer to not have to transition between the two if I an avoid it.

Commander Endova wrote:
n any event, I can't see them staying with the XM-25 as a standalone for two long. After all, the 'Blooper' and the M16A1 were eventually merged into the ever popular M16/M203 combo.


The XM25 is a squad weapon, not a general use weapon.

Undoubtedly. I doubt they'd issue more then or two per squad. Then again, that's just about the frequency you'd expect an M203 to be issued at.

Commander Endova wrote:
I'm sure as the guidnace/airbursting technology becomes miniaturized, we'll see the guidance computer as a replacement for optics like various ACOGs or an M68 CCO, connected to an underslung 25mm launcher unit.


FCS is very expensive.
One fancy-schmancy new gun doesn't equate to the entirety of the proposed capabilities and equipment of the Future Combat System. Also, the FCS is pretty much on indefinite hold at this point, so I'd have to say that fielding the XM-25 or an OICW, for that matter, would be unrelated. But you have said that this is probably too expensive for what it does, and I'd have to say, in this war, you'd be right.

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