<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "help with making a guard army list"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net help with making a guard army list MEQ (sister/ grey knight) army. I have tried a few army lists but I am really struggling.

I have a good range of models at the moment but just don't know where to start.

We normally play on a 4x4 board and I just end up relying on my tanks far to much. They are very effective but the rest of my army just doesn't pull any weight

I have:

60 regular guardsmen
20 stormtrooper/kaskrins (mix up with postage, my gain)
5 ratlings
lascannon heavy weapon squad
ML heavy weapon squad
mixed heavy weapon squad
1 normal leman russ
1 demolisher
1 chimera
marbo

and enough spare parts to make most special weapons, characters and equipment]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1582570.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1582570.page GMT help with making a guard army list http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1582873.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1582873.page GMT Re:help with making a guard army list 1500pts
When I say normal guardsmen they could play as anything vets, conscripts and I could make penial legion.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1587618.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1587618.page GMT help with making a guard army list HQ
CCS
3 Plasmas, Vox Chimera

Elites
Marbo

(IF you can get more ratlings than they can be used more effictively if not proxy a couple and see how it goes)

Troops
PCS
4 Flamers, PF
2x Infantry Squads (autocannons) 1x commisar, Vox
make each into 2 20 man squads
2x Infantry Squads (lascannons) 1x commisar, Vox

PCS
4 Flamers, PF
2x Infantry Squads (Autocannons) 1x commisar Vox

Heavy support
Demolisher
Leman Russ

With this list remember your orders. Make him come to you. If he has a landraider use marbo first turn to destroy it. Make him walk to use as much as possible. Don't forget your orders and use all of them to their full capacity. If you end up taking ratlings their effectiveness is not for killing but for pinning. Don't let his Terminators get in close combat. With first rank fire second rank fire into them you will make them throw an obscene amount of saves. They are bound to fail some. I'll put up an exact points cost once I get back to my apartment.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1588699.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1588699.page GMT help with making a guard army list
WingsofCadia wrote: If he has a landraider use marbo first turn to destroy it.

Um..how the bloody hell does Marbo kill a Landraider? He can't use his meltabombs when he comes in, and his demo pack is only S8. Plus, he can't come in first turn, reserves can't come on then.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1588882.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1588882.page GMT help with making a guard army list http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1588905.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1588905.page GMT help with making a guard army list http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1589082.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1589082.page GMT Re:help with making a guard army list str 9 ap 2 large blasts. Could potentially hurt a LR, but your LCs with orders stand a much better chance. Especially since Marbo can't show up until turn 2 at least.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1589132.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1589132.page GMT Re:help with making a guard army list
That demolisher is what I'd be using against Land Raiders though. S10 Ordinance is good on land raiders. Odds are you'll get at least a glance, and you don't need to be in melta range.


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Here's my contribution. Before I went tank crazy, I used to do the static gunline thing. Static lists are hard to push off of objectives, but they're not grabbing objectives of their own anytime soon. I may have a workaround for that:

CCS with Standard, vox, lascannon in chimera.

Marbo

5 Stormtroopers with 2 Melta

7 Stormtroopers with 2 grenade launchers

1 Platoon:
PCS with 4 flamers
Infantry squad with vox, commissar, grenade launcher, autocannon
Infantry squad with grenade launcher, autocannon
HWS with 3 missile launchers
HWS with 3 lascannonst

1 Platoon:
PCS with 4 flamers
Infantry squad with vox, commissar, grenade launcher, autocannon
Infantry squad with grenade launcher, autocannon
HWS with 3 mortars

LRBT with lascannon

LRD with multimelta sponsoons

1497 points.

Okay, now here's the explanation:
First off, everyone stop groaning about the stormtroopers. Now with that out of the way, here is the breakdown of what each squad does, with me first saying that the platoons and the CCS shouldn't really ever be moving much:
- CCS sits between the platoons (preferably within command range of each) and issues BID to heavy weapon squads as well as provides the leadership reroll to the HWS squads.
- Marbo is mostly there for head games. Don't expect him to do anything, but be plesantly surprised when he does.
- The two stormtrooper squads... are very expensive and people are booing me for them right now. You lack mobility having so few vehicles; they make up for it. Your 5 man with meltas deep strikes next to their most valuable vehicle. That's how you drop a land raider. The 7 man will either deep strike or outflank, depending on the situation. Their purpose is to keep alive and dash for the nearest objective. They're "bad", but they could be much worse. Their goal is to contest the nearest objective they can get to. You won't be taking the enemies objectives as much as you'll be denying them theirs. I suppose the same thing could be done potentially outflanking Penal legionaires, but I dislike them more than stormtroopers.
- Platoons sit in cover within range of objectives and shoot shoot shoot. The PCS will either reinforce them with FRFSRF if enemies get too close as well as screen assaulters with their flamers, or best case, start mad dashing for other objectives because there is nothing better to do. Mortars get out of LOS and shell to their hearts content. Don't underestimate these things for even taking out MEQ. Better than lascannons anyway, and don't ever forget they cause pinning.
-LRBT and LRD are in seperate squadrons. No reason not to be. They both also have antitank capibilities, albeit not great. S8 ordinance can take out tanks somewhat well, and the lascannon will help that somewhat. The LRD can use it's sponsons and S10 cannon to take out anything up to a land raider, but you'll need to get it close, so make sure you wipe out as much melta around your target as possible without moving it forward. Expect to rely on tanks a lot. You're Imperial Guard, it's what we do.

Honestly, my biggest advice to you is to come up with a solid fast attack or two (you have so many good ones available) and change out the stormtrooper squads for them as you get them. Even a few cheap sentinels would go a long way toward denying enemy objectives. You also need a few more chimeras if you want to be better able to actually take enemy objectives, because, with about every single gun in the game ignoring your armor, you're not going to be able to walk up to them like MEQ would.

Additional parting thoughts: Another CCS with 4 plasma and carapace armor is 130 points. Thats the only configuration I'd go with for plasma on guard. 15 points per model is too expensive to not have the 4+ insurance on top of it. This will absolutely chew up MEQ, and I advise that you take it into consideration as another option in place of the 7 man stormtrooper squad. Just make sure you give them the chimera instead of the first CCS.

EDIT: Forgot the chimera on my list. Fixed unit count due to being over points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1589136.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1589136.page GMT Re:help with making a guard army list http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1589269.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1589269.page GMT help with making a guard army list http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1589317.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1589317.page GMT Re:help with making a guard army list
I quite like the ideas with the stormtroopers and a veteran army.

I mostly play with one friend who has a TAU and Inquistion(as in the OP) armies.
I haven't got my list in PC form but we play on 4x4 board with 5 buildings on it.

I normally beat his TAU and lose by one or two KP against his Inquistion.

I'm just interested how big a difference the board size and terrain type make? I would think it puts me at some disadvantage but my demolisher and large amount of flamers normally benifit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1600220.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/295467/1600220.page GMT