augustus5 wrote:I think the most important thing to consider is to take rhinos for your troops. The ability to outmanuever your opponent is important.

Attach Lucius to one of the squads. I'm not really a fan of Lucius though. I think you would be better served with a sorceror with lash of submission. You could take a jump pack for the sorceror and attach him to your raptors or simply join him up with one of your noise marine squads.

You don't really have anything to deal with enemy armor. Maybe instead of a 5 man squad of terminators you could take 2 three man squads with combi-meltas and deep strike them to hit enemy armor. Better yet you could get a couple squads of obliterators.

I would consider going with regular chaos marines over noise marines. I am a fan of noise marines but I usually like to put them in a land raider and kit them out with assault weapons. For holding objectives regular marines or plague marines will seve you better.

Riffzor wrote:Whilst Lucious indeed may be a nice killer, you've got one even more ferocious for just 5pts more.. One whom makes the Berzerkers of Khorne, which are seen as the most ferocious melee MEQ's, look like amateurs.

I'd chose Khârn the Betrayer over Lucious, 2 more attacks, 1 more strength, Blessing of the Blood God, Gorechild... Lucious being a sneaky bugger whom would move around the enemy bulk to take on the oponents characters, whilst Kharn would ram through that bulk, cause a large hole in it on his way, then decapitating the enemy HQ.

Besides, looking at the Marks of Chaos, why would a MEQ want +1 initiative? Sure, they get to strike before other MEQ's, but chosing between that an +1 Attack from the mark of Khorne? Never, not for melee units such as Raptors.

Your army there is pretty close to 750 points, you said you wanted either 500 or 1000, why not go in between and pick 750?

The only reason I'm considering Tau, DE, Necrons or Tzeentch rather than a Khorne army is because I already had a Khorne army (Which I never ever lost with) at 1000pts, which my dad threw away in a rampage for reasons only known to him.

However as I spoke with him today and he promised I'd have the money he've owed me for years, I'm considering to recreate my unstopable force. (IG lasguns tickled, brought down a few, as soon as I got into close combat I slayed entire platoons in the initial assault and sweeping advance. The SoB's I met were like a bit like running into a thin, fragile wall, I stoped up for a moment, but then came Khârn.. Whom killed a few of my own, but also slew the Sisters.)

Of course I don't expect to win everything and anything I'd do, but if I'd meet such army as the one you listed with 750pts of my old Berzerkers, I'd make 'em look silly. (As adviced, Noise Marines without their special weapons are just expensive CSM's)

Anyhow, Lucious have several nice things but.. Why pick one of the Slaanesh's lizards when you could have a Juggernaut?

Besides, you don't >need< to have Khorne Berzerkers to have Khârn, he's a one-man army in CC. An interesting idea would to pick something like Thousand Sons and Khârn, them slowly marching forth, blasting down whatever comes in reach, and him rushing forth charging anything that comes within his reach. Back him up with Raptors for CC specialized units, and you've got a very, very wierd chaos Army. *nod*

If you don't want to spend points on upgrading the weapons of your marines, but want something more than normal CSM's, pick Plague Marines, their toughness is really anoying as they already are MEQ.

I'll run a short list of the 'special' CSM units from my viewpoint. (Of course some will dissagree as everyone have their own favourites.)

Plague Marines: People often find MEQ units to be resilient, hard to kill off, anoying. Well, Plague Marines are extra resilient, extra hard to kill off, and extra anoying. Put them within range to blast your bolters at the enemy, avoid close combat, and your oponent will have some real trouble. Of course heavy weapons may be a problem (Aren't they always when one's playing MEQ's?) but something to support the Plague Marines, such as Raptors or Bikers, or Havocs.. Or a predator, will take care of such problems.

Noise Marines: Something I will never understand, but then again, Slaanesh is not easy to understand. They're half wannabe-melee, and half wannabe-heavy weapon experts. I've never seen them in action, but I can't really immagine them being very good. Initiative 5, alright, you hit first against most... But.. That's it?

Khorne Berzerkers: What one gets when you'd combine Space Marines with Orks, but better. WS5, Furious Charge giving S5 and I5 with 4 attacks on the charge. I sure wouldn't want to stand in their way!

Thousand Sons: What one gets when a Sorcerer plays around with some Space Marines. Bring on the heavy weapons, there's a 50% chance with their invulnerable save that a weapon that would normaly kill a SMC in one shot, will watch their target keep on walking with bolters blazing. And any MEQ's are gonna have trouble with those Inferno Bolts, and as they're slow and purposefull and may fire their rapid fire weapons as if they were stationary, MEQ's may either sit tight and wait for their doom to come walking, or try to launch an attack only to find themselves being fired at before they may return fire.

So, about your choise: Look at the models, consider the ones you think looks good, keep their abilities in mind and immagine your tacticts with them, if it feels good, go for it.

Of course you could pick normal CSM's but... Then you could just as well pick normal Space Marines and get some cool champions/wargear/units that Chaos don't have - These are the main units making them different from the Space Marines. (Well, if we don't include Daemons, Sorcerers and... More Daemons.)

Oh, neither of them have any good Anti-Tank stuffs, except the Thousand Sons' Sorcerers if they get Bolt of Change, so you'd probably want to get something to keep such metal monstrosities at bay. And as you like Raptors, consider giving one or two of them Melta Guns (Jump Infantry with Meltaguns are good at quickly getting into range to bust tanks.)

Edit: Ah, found the Sonic weapon upgrade for the Noise Marines.. And alright, they can out-shoot Plague Marines or other units with normal Bolters. I still don't get that I5 though, it feels.. wierd, unnescessary.

Second Edit: Cool, it's been 30 min and none have bashed me down for being wrong yet! Am I perhaps right for once?! *cheers*