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HQ: 310 points
2 Daemon Princes with wings, MoS, LoS: 310
MoS cuz it's the cheapest and gives +1i. I do like LoS though as it helps move opponent off of objectives which is really handy.


Troops: 1,195 points
10 KB, 1 champion with Icon, Power Weapon - Rhino: 280 points

10 KB, 1 champion with Icon, Power Weapon - Rhino: 280 points

10 KB, 1 champion with Icon, Power Weapon - Rhino: 280 points

10 PM, 1 champion with Icon, Power Fist & Plasma Pistol. 1 Plasma Gun and 1 Melta - Rhino: 355 points
(Power Fist is better imho because with initiative 3 they aren't usually gonna be going first against marines anyways)

Heavy: 450 points
1 Defiler: 150 points

1 Defiler: 150 points

2 Obliterators: 150 points

I feel like switching out one defiler for another squad of 2 oblits as they are insanely useful and don't always get shot at first.

Total points: 1955. I was thinking of adding in some upgrades or I could try and get rid of another 30 points and get the third obliterator. Any advice is welcome

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Troops: 1,195 points
10 KB, 1 champion with Icon, Power Weapon - Rhino: 280 points

10 KB, 1 champion with Icon, Power Weapon - Rhino: 280 points

10 KB, 1 champion with Icon, Power Weapon - Rhino: 280 points (why do you have an icon, you've got no deepstriking units)

10 PM, 1 champion with Icon, Power Fist & Plasma Pistol
(no no no no no! Never give a guy with a powerfist a plasma pistol, he's got a str8 wepon anyway and if it overheats you've wasted 50p).
1 Plasma Gun and 1 Melta - Rhino: 355 points

(Chaos are inititive 4)

Bold = imo get rid of thats 25p gone]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/298084/1628412.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/298084/1628412.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/298084/1629309.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/298084/1629309.page GMT FNP applies to "Gets Hot" and thus you would want to take advantage of this by spamming as much str 7 ap 2 plasma shots as possible, preferably into an elite enemy unit of some kind.

As for your extra 45 points, spend them on either extra armour or havoc launchers (win) for 3 of your rhinos. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/298084/1629975.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/298084/1629975.page GMT lol

Troops:
From the looks of it you're planning on Deep striking the Oblitz, and that's a huge waste of points, at most you'll pop one tank then they're goners. I would recommend dropping the Icons, and give the Zerkers Meltabombs.
Switch out the Meltagun on the PM for another Plasma gun. (also IMO drop the plasma pistol)

Heavy:
Grab a third Obliterator.
You're better off keeping the second Defiler, they work best in pairs. Speaking of Defilers, when you have that many men on the field I'd be worried about scatter. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/298084/1630516.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/298084/1630516.page GMT
And IMO, meltas > plasma with respect to what the CSM army really needs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/298084/1630526.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/298084/1630526.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/298084/1630894.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/298084/1630894.page GMT They are expensive because you get a unique flexibility.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/298084/1630909.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/298084/1630909.page GMT