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				<description><![CDATA[ what are the rules on greenstuff and legal games? can miniatures with green stuff upgrades and design be used in legal games <img src="/s/i/a/8f7b3f87df347f2cf6c1e7d5e119a067.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ In most local tourneys anything goes. <br /> <br /> <br /> In <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> stores or 'ardboyz its 60% or more Citadel parts.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 4 Jun 2010 04:28:46]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ As long as it is to show a real model and doesn't have made up rules it should be fine.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 4 Jun 2010 04:29:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ kool what if i start my own legion]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 4 Jun 2010 04:31:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:what illegal</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>tormented90 wrote:</cite>what are the rules on greenstuff and legal games? can miniatures with green stuff upgrades and design be used in legal games <img src="/s/i/a/8f7b3f87df347f2cf6c1e7d5e119a067.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> yes; not to mention it impresses people more when you say that a model you have was modeled by hand.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 4 Jun 2010 04:33:53]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I always looked at it this way <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(47);'>GS</span> is a Citadel Product (or can be) so it counts towards the 60%.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 4 Jun 2010 04:41:24]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ what if used in huge tornaments]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 4 Jun 2010 14:18:45]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ what if used in huge tornaments]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 4 Jun 2010 14:18:58]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Usually comes down to what rules the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(421);'>TO</span> has set. If it's <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> 60% have to be citadel. Whether it's a huge or small tournament, it makes no difference.<br /> <br /> Usually though they should let you, but it doesn't hurt to double check it with the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(421);'>TO</span>.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 4 Jun 2010 14:24:22]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Check with the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(421);'>TO</span>. Every store/tournament will be different.<br /> <br /> Some will allow 100% non <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>, some will want 99/100% <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 4 Jun 2010 14:24:43]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The final decision always rests with the Tournament Organiser.<br /> <br /> It would greatly surprise me if a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(421);'>TO</span> did not allow models with Greenstuff adaptations.<br /> <br /> If you are making entirely new models out of 100% putty it would be different.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 4 Jun 2010 14:36:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Clthomps wrote:</cite>In most local tourneys anything goes. <br /> <br /> <br /> In <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> stores or 'ardboyz its 60% or more Citadel parts.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Is that per model or the whole force, because my Beastlord is bought from Avatars of War and much of my orkydom is scrap-made... =o]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:08:40]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Usually per model. Alternalte manufacturers are not welcome in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> tourneys.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:32:53]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ how can i put my new legion up on shelfs at a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>gw</span>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:13:02]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>tormented90 wrote:</cite>how can i put my new legion up on shelfs at a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>gw</span></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Ask the staff!<br /> <br /> Sometimes, if they have the space they will be happy to put anyone's stuff in the display cases. If your local store is quite small though, they will pick their display stuff based on the quality of painting and the overall feel of the army. I don't mean to dis-hearten you when i say this, but they are unlikely to put more space marines on display just because they are painted a different colour/have some <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(47);'>GS</span> work on them: Most <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>'s I've visited have at least three <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> armies in their cabinets already.<br /> <br /> What's the standard of painting like at your local <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> compared to your own? If it's pretty high, you may find it takes a while before you get up to a high enough standard for display work. As a bonus though, there are going to be a lot of people you can ask for advice and tips! Best of luck <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 6 Jun 2010 09:54:28]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Is this 60% rule by mass or by volume?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:44:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ i created a new type of soldier for the space marine codex but i want to try to get it published and sold at stores so i can legally use them i started a rabid space marine legion but im afraid to post picks and share more info due to many amature theives <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Your naivety astounds and amuses me...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ how so ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:58:45]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Read that last post you made, and think about it for a minute.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Fafnir]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ i dont see it haha]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>tormented90 wrote:</cite>i created a new type of soldier for the space marine codex but i want to try to get it published and sold at stores so i can legally use them i started a rabid space marine legion but im afraid to post picks and share more info due to many amature theives <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The chances of this happening are <b>Nil</b>. <br /> <br /> Post your idea in the proposed rules forum to get some feedback, and feel free to use them in games if your opponent agrees to your rules. <br /> <br /> I seriously doubt that your ideas are any better than the ones that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> comes up with and, besides, it's their IP, not yours.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> OK, maybe that's overly harsh....<br /> <br /> ....If you want your ideas to be taken up by <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> you will have to pursue a career in games design and get into <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> at some point. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ what if i just give it to them i dont want to make money off them, i just want them to be legal ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Not a chance in my opinion.<br /> <br /> Show us some pictures, we can give feedback, and maybe help you make some house rules.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 6 Jun 2010 11:18:46]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ orkyben]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ They're not going to be legal. Ever. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> will never make your made-up rules legal.<br /> <br /> From your posting style I'd guess you are 12 ish? Try to use capitalization and punctuation on the internet, it goes a long way towards people taking you seriously.<br /> <br /> And no offense, but unless you are some genius child prodigy there is no way that your custom sculpted space marines would make "amature theives" try to copy you.<br /> <br /> Feel free to post your creations on Dakka! Nobody will steal them, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>.<br /> <br /> Also the word you are looking for is probably Chapter, not Legion.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The chances are still very low i'm afraid to say. ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Ultra mortalitas]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks for you all who arent being total dicks about it, and im not 12 ish more like 21 and my major in colege in art and graphic design you prick so as far as theives go your probily one of them ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>tormented90 wrote:</cite> im not 12 ish more like 21 </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Are you sure? Your profile info says that your age is -1, and my little brother writes better than you.<br /> <br /> Back on topic, I can see no chance of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> ever making your models legal, or anyone ever stealing your designs, so just post your minis up.  ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Grimm]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I guess you are right, i mean what are the chances right, well i have antother question if my work is a little above average would it sell on ebay ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Show us your work so we can decide.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ To be honest unless the standard of your work equals or eclipses that of the people who design models for games workshop its not going to happen. If it is that good though you should contact games workshop and try getting a job with them.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>tormented90 wrote:</cite>Thanks for you all who arent being total dicks about it, and im not 12 ish more like 21 and my major in colege in art and graphic design you prick so as far as theives go your probily one of them </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Something tells me that you're not quite telling the truth.<br /> <br /> And for the record, I'm a 19 year old new media student at my university, and I'm already doing professional artwork. There's no reason for me to want to steal from you. Stop gakking, or don't ask for advice.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Fafnir]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Fafnir wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>tormented90 wrote:</cite>Thanks for you all who arent being total dicks about it, and im not 12 ish more like 21 and my major in colege in art and graphic design you prick so as far as theives go your probily one of them </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Something tells me that you're not quite telling the truth.<br /> <br /> And for the record, I'm a 19 year old new media student at my university, and I'm already doing professional work. There's no reason for me to want to steal from you.</div></blockquote>Agreed. <br /> Also I'm 12 (turning 13 in two days!) and I write better than this so called "21-year-old" can. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>tormented90 wrote:</cite>I guess you are right, i mean what are the chances right, well i have antother question if my work is a little above average would it sell on ebay </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Look mon; this is Dakka. Not Warseer, or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(451);'>Bols</span>, etc...<br /> <br /> ... here, we'll call you on what we see as <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> and still try to give you good advice <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> If you really have a good idea for shaping the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> chapters; post it in the rules section and see what others think of it!If you have come up with some incredible piece of innovation, people will thank you for it. Much less try to steal it.<br /> <br /> I do agree with most other people in this thread however: You are not 21, you are just saying that to try and make your points more valid. This attitude = fail. Throw your ideas out to the web, see what happens with them, chances are that they will become better thanks to the input of others <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ If your stuff looks good you can probably get some money by selling it on Ebay but I doubt you would get that much or sell that many.<br /> <br /> Like everyone else is saying show some pictures and we can give you some better advice.  Until people actually see it for all we know it looks like a big steaming pile of s**t.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Gah, sadly, i think we have a troll poster :(]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Probably true but doesn't mean it can't be fun]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It'll totally get stomped by a mod though <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>J.Black wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>tormented90 wrote:</cite>I guess you are right, i mean what are the chances right, well i have antother question if my work is a little above average would it sell on ebay </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Look mon; this is Dakka. Not Warseer, or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(451);'>Bols</span>, etc...<br /> <br /> ... here, we'll call you on what we see as <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> and still try to give you good advice <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Halleluja! I think I found a new home...<br /> <br /> I got banned from warseer this past week for no apparent reason. Apparently, Philbrad didn't like the concept of me not caring enough about remarks made by a troll because of internet anonymity and the fact that for all I knew the guy on the other end was a fat 30 year old virgin living in his mom's basement...<br /> <br /> And why hasn't anyone mentioned pan-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(600);'>fo</span>? This is such a pan-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(600);'>fo</span> situation!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I don't think this poster is a troll, nothing he is saying is enraging anyone, he is just making himself look rather silly...<br /> I don't really know what to make of the situation. Props to Klawz for typing normally, though. It's strange to encounter a 21 year old poster who doesn't type coherently, and a 12 year old who does.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ya i am sorry, to say and i wish i was wrong i really do, But <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>gw</span> is a heartless company. And they hate you so they wont let it happen.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Heh, I would have to say: pics or it didn't happen.<br /> <br /> As for as the ass-stomping you guys are getting a bit mean on this kid, I mean 12 or 21, who cares?  His stuff could be cool.<br /> <br /> However as a 28 year old Freelance Illustrator, character designer, and graphics dude I can say with complete confidence.. If you have an idea, 3 other people had the exact same one at the same time you did, and who knows how many did before you. <br /> <br />  Morale of this story: Pics or it didn't HAPPEN!  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>ph34r wrote:</cite> It's strange to encounter a 21 year old poster who doesn't type coherently, and a 12 year old who does.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Neither of those things are at all unusual. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I'm going to step in at this point and ask everyone involved in this thread to take a moment to refresh yourselves on Dakka's rules. Specifically, the one telling you to be polite. Lay off the name calling and the slinging off at people's writing ability.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ As for the earlier question about Citadel parts, I think it is volume.. However it is my opinion that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(47);'>GS</span> is a citadel part.... sooooo.... eh?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I was in a fantasy tournament several months ago where a guy scratch-built several models for his Daemon army using Green Stuff, including a big Lord of Change. No-one had a problem with it. Dunno if that helps you out.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(47);'>GS</span> is a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> product, I know some off brand late night version is out now, but I heard it is Fail.  I won't even try a non <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(47);'>GS</span>, although I do use sculpy, but that is just for terrain purposes. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ There are plenty of good, non-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> epoxy putties out there.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Fafnir wrote:</cite>There are plenty of good, non-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> epoxy putties out there.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> LIESSS!!!!! J/K but seriously your statements renders my argument irrelevant so I will choose to disregard it.  <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"> &lt;-- Sarcasm and silliness. <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Half of the putty I used for Da Kommizork was a brown/white putty. I think it was by Reaper. It's just as good as <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>'s putty, if not better. Shame I lost it when moving back to Calgary.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yeah and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> putty used to be grey stuff!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I figure the massive price increases of late are to pay for the dye used to colour the greenstuff.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>thegrav wrote:</cite>Well <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(47);'>GS</span> is a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> product, I know some off brand late night version is out now, but I heard it is Fail.  I won't even try a non <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(47);'>GS</span>, although I do use sculpy, but that is just for terrain purposes. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> I'm not sure whether to assume you're joking or not...  <img src="/s/i/a/8f7b3f87df347f2cf6c1e7d5e119a067.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>'s green stuff is Kneadatite repackaged into a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> blister. You can get the exact same putty from any number of places that are much cheaper than <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ &lt;-- Is/was joking.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> I need to remember my sarcasm doesn't transmit well via the webs, I just assumed you guys would catch the drift.  <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>insaniak wrote:</cite>Neither of those things are at all unusual.</div></blockquote>Really? More often than not in my experience, people that don't type well are young. Your mileage may vary of course.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ People that lack good typing skills or bad communication skills could suffer form many things.  Young Age, Language Barriers, Old Age, Not Caring, Rushing, Being a Marine(<img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0">). Ruinous Powers, Daemon Possession, Having a bad editor, Faulty speech recognition software, Cocaine... Rum... .<img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> Anyway point is I know plenty of adults that suck at typing, and spelling.  Education levels play a bigger role than Age, and people that don't care to proof read, make mistakes and don'r care to fix them.<br /> <br /> What we are not supposed to do is generalize, stereotype or nitpick.  Also we were warned by a mod to knock it off.  <br /> <br /> I think at this point we need to focus on the original purpose of this thread and not knock the kid (12, 21, you are younger than me, your a kid) anymore. <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">  <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ah yes, cocaine and rum, the favorite passtime of trolls. But I think it's supposed to be "Being a SPESS MAHREEN!!!" =p<br /> <br /> Anyway, time to close this one down I'd say...  <img src="/s/i/a/c614b4720f1b7225b0523f616ac30b2f.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Typical Dakka.<br /> <br /> Somebody innocently posts a topic asking a simple question with sub-par grammar and spelling, and it ends in diversion.<br /> <br /> Bravo<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(434);'>sA</span>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well diversion or not I would actually want to see what the guy has managed to cook up.  I love space marines (not in the wrong kind of way) and anything new / different would be interesting to see.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think his question/issue was resolved already, so its up to him to post his stuff. The fact of the matter is that there is a 99.99999999999999% probability that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> will not now, or ever, publish his rules, etc.<br /> <br /> And for all ya'll making fun of him, think back to when you were young just starting the hobby. I think most of us had aspirations of doing just this at some point or another (especially the younger fellas). Especially when <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> wasn't quite the cold, heartless, money-grubbing corporation it is today... Remember Citadel Journal and Chapter Approved? Yeah...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You are right that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> would never publish his rules and I don't want to see them but he did say he sculpted some stuff and I would like to see it.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:33:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>chaos0xomega wrote:</cite>I think his question/issue was resolved already, so its up to him to post his stuff. The fact of the matter is that there is a 99.99999999999999% probability that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> will not now, or ever, publish his rules, etc.<br /> <br /> And for all ya'll making fun of him, think back to when you were young just starting the hobby. I think most of us had aspirations of doing just this at some point or another (especially the younger fellas). Especially when <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> wasn't quite the cold, heartless, money-grubbing corporation it is today... Remember Citadel Journal and Chapter Approved? Yeah...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Hell I am still under the delusion that maybe someday <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> will see my work and hire me... <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">  Of course that is because I am a money grubbing freelance.. <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:36:17]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ 99.9% of the touries I have been in right from games at <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(38);'>FLGS</span> and Adepticon, green stuff on models are welcome as long at it still at least 50% <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>. Adepticon 09 you could use non-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> models to count as <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> figures. Most people if not all will allow green stuff.<br /> <br /> Myself, I don't mind playing against someone that uses green stuff on their models to make the look better. But dont just make three feet of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(47);'>GS</span> rolls and throw it on a Jabba the Hutt action figure and tell me that it looks better than the pro-painted forgeworld greater demon that I was using. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:43:54]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Pipboy101]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ @thegrav: I saw your stuff, it isn't tremendous, but it's pretty solid.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(434);'>sA</span>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:54:43]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>thegrav wrote:</cite>I always looked at it this way <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(47);'>GS</span> is a Citadel Product (or can be) so it counts towards the 60%.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I find this reasoning flawed as a competitive opponent may ask you to prove that you used green stuff as there are several sculpting mediums in the market. Even scraping the paint off to show green in extreme circumstances can still be challenged as a green color of a different brand of sculpting medium. I know it may never happen but you never know....<br /> <br /> I have seen a parent defend his kid's illegal tactics by saying "he's a kid...let him play...it's a game, let him have fun". If he is a kid there to play for fun, then why is he playing a sanctioned tournament with illegal tactics using the "i didn't know" clause as an excuse. Now, not only are you being cheated on, you now have to teach the kid how to play. Sorry, rant ended...different game, don't ask...]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:32:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think the term "Green Stuff" is a general term for scupting material. I use Procreate for my medium when I am adding onto a model since it is better than <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>. The 50 or 60 percent is the physical plastic or metal parts. A True Scale Space Marine utilizing terminator legs, chest and backpack and the rest <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(47);'>GS</span> then that would be the fifty percent rule. I could mix up a Space Marine sized glob of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(47);'>GS</span>, stick in a backpack, sholder pads and a bolter and call it a Space Marine this does not count as 50 percent <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>. Even if you scuplt details it still does not count. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:48:48]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Pipboy101]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Actually i also have a query. Say you sculpted something almost entirely out of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(47);'>GS</span>, could you use it at tournies?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 7 Jun 2010 21:31:15]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>ghosty wrote:</cite>Actually i also have a query. Say you sculpted something almost entirely out of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(47);'>GS</span>, could you use it at tournies?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> As with the vast majority of 'can I use it?' tournie questions, the answer is: It would depend on the tournie's rules.<br /> <br /> <br /> From what I have seen, most tournies have no problem with sculpted models. Many have no problems with models that aren't <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>-sanctioned events often have the '<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> only' clause, or some 'percentage' clause... but you would need to check the rules for the actual tournament you are wanting to use the model in.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 7 Jun 2010 21:36:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Rabid space marines? Sounds like space wolves to me... ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 7 Jun 2010 21:53:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Dude, I just had a horrible idea for anyone who doesn't mind getting tossed from a tourney. <br /> <br /> If the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(421);'>TO</span> is being a total ---wipe, or is known to be so then grab a slab of Green Stuff and sculpt yourself a Baneblade or something. Then when he trys to argue that it does not meet the percentage criteria stuff tell him this:<br /> <br /> "Most of the mini's released by <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> are injection molded plastic which cost pennies to make. So the value of the mini must therefore be in the IP. As this is clearley their idea being ripped off and if I tried to sell it I would be accountable for a loss comparible to the value of that IP. Therefore I contend that this model is in fact %99 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> property and so it meets your silly little requirements. I say good day sir!"<br /> <br /> Warning: No <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(421);'>TO</span> that I know of will put up with this crap especially if you cause a scene; and let's face it once you start heading down this road how can you NOT cause a scene?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:21:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>ComputerGeek01 wrote:</cite>Dude, I just had a horrible idea for anyone who doesn't mind getting tossed from a tourney. <br /> <br /> If the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(421);'>TO</span> is being a total ---wipe, or is known to be so then grab a slab of Green Stuff and sculpt yourself a Baneblade or something. Then when he trys to argue that it does not meet the percentage criteria stuff tell him this:<br /> <br /> "Most of the mini's released by <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> are injection molded plastic which cost pennies to make. So the value of the mini must therefore be in the IP. As this is clearley their idea being ripped off and if I tried to sell it I would be accountable for a loss comparible to the value of that IP. Therefore I contend that this model is in fact %99 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> property and so it meets your silly little requirements. I say good day sir!"<br /> <br /> Warning: No <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(421);'>TO</span> that I know of will put up with this crap especially if you cause a scene; and let's face it once you start heading down this road how can you NOT cause a scene?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> 3 lbs of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(47);'>GS</span>... check!  <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:35:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ @smiling Assassin: why thank you sir.  My conventional training is in Illustration and painting on canvass, not sculpting <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">  My delusions come form my portfolio not my armies!  ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 8 Jun 2010 04:18:27]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I wonder how long it will take until this one is locked...  <img src="/s/i/a/8f7b3f87df347f2cf6c1e7d5e119a067.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:01:22]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Looks like you guys scared him off.....<br /> <br /> Insaniak a Mod. Crikey!<br /> <br /> My Brain just imploded <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>.<br /> <br /> All j/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(609);'>ks</span> aside- awesome- Waaagh and Insaniak- Aussie Oi Oi!!!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:03:40]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thread lock in ....]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:35:18]]> GMT</pubDate>
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