zeekill wrote:
Secondly, for a summary of shooting, artillery, magic, and a of a good amount of the spells rumored to be in the BRB for 8th Edition you can go here: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253845

ShivanAngel wrote:

zeekill wrote:
Secondly, for a summary of shooting, artillery, magic, and a of a good amount of the spells rumored to be in the BRB for 8th Edition you can go here: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253845

fixed your post a little bit for you.

No sense getting worked up over rumors. I get to read the book on the 15th, thats when im going to start passing judgements and it will still be based on mathhammer and my own experiences. We dont know how the new book is going to handle until a few months afterwards, A rule may look good on paper and end up sucking, so we also need time to test the changes.

zeekill wrote:

ShivanAngel wrote:

zeekill wrote:
Secondly, for a summary of shooting, artillery, magic, and a of a good amount of the spells rumored to be in the BRB for 8th Edition you can go here: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253845

fixed your post a little bit for you.

No sense getting worked up over rumors. I get to read the book on the 15th, thats when im going to start passing judgements and it will still be based on mathhammer and my own experiences. We dont know how the new book is going to handle until a few months afterwards, A rule may look good on paper and end up sucking, so we also need time to test the changes.

Nope, my friend the red shirt (who has access to the book, he even pulled it out for a minute just to tease the drooling fantacy nerds at the FLGS ) has confirmed that most of the things in that thread are correct, and most that are not right-on are worded differently but mean almost the same thing, very few are just rumors

ShivanAngel wrote:

For example, it says in that post that rolling double 6's causes loss of control. I was told that was false. I was also told that o&g are going to be stronger then daemons were/are in 7th.

ShivanAngel wrote:Yeah the black shirt said i could ask him yes or no questions about the new rules, and that was it, otherwise he could lose his job.

He confirmed 2d6 magic dice highest is dispell, variable charge, few other things.

He said the double 6's causeing loss of control is false.

He also said in passing Daemons are going to be middle of the road now, and o&g are going to be the new top tier army (course i was buying the o&g book so take this as you will)

my guess on why they are going to be so strong.

Shooting in multiple ranks (their archers are 3 points a pop, thats an insane number of shots).
Horde rules
etc

Odominus wrote:I believe DoC will still be crazy strong. Unless the errata is going to increase their overall pricing, they are still underspriced with brutal stats. I mean, they'll still have Flamers (place random DoC unit here) right?

That aside, I DO believe Empire AND OnG will get much much better in 8th. Caveat:if the supplied rumors are true.

Cheap troops, characters and war machines are the key. I have a feeling "fighty" type hero characters will have a diminished role in 8th. The extra +2 attacks they provide does not really give much bonus in a Stepping Up situation. In fact, it seems like an easy way to get them killed. I think characters in big units will be there to provide buffs to the unit. If you have 20 attacks back, using the Step Up rule...would you rather have those 20 attacks buffed or your hero's 3 attacks buffed? Thats a simple answer: you want to buff those 20 attacks. Best way to do this? The Warrior Priest. With Hatred.

I have to talk about the WP for a moment. I believe he may have become one of the best characters in the game. Give him Armor of Met Iron, to make sure he has survivability on foot (gives him optimum Look Out Sir roll too). He gives Hatred to his unit. That is HUGE with Stepping Up rule. Also, he allows you to run flagellants as core. This goes a long way to help filling out your core % requirement. Next are the bound spells. WP cannot miscast (lose control chart)! At worst, they forget the prayer so the Empire player does not need to worry about putting the WP in a big block of troops. A mage can explode and take out half the unit. One rumor says that there is an option on the Loss of Control table, that causes ALL your mages to explode. Ouch. So no need to worry about a WP exploding. Ok so WP need to roll to cast their prayers. WP actually benefit from this. Yes I know in 7th, we used WP to draw out DD. Well, in 8th, we still can and its better. Each WP only has 1 spell to cast. But it is cast with the bound level added. So thats a +4 to his casts (!!) Currently our st4 prayers are easily dispelled, hence why they draw out DD. So now, even if you throw 1 die, a result of 3+ gives you a nice str7 spell. <--much harder to dispel than our previous st4 spell. Additional upside? What if you *really* needed to get a prayer off? Roll more dice to make sure you do! You can roll up to 6 dice...wow! And you CANNOT miscast! You may lose the spell but oh well, small price to pay. In 8th, you can cast a RiP spell, and CONTINUE casting! Hellllooo WP! I think throwing 1 dice, per WP in your army, each magic phase can have a major cumulative impact over the course of a game. WP are able to attempt to get extra PD/DD though "channeling" so potentially more PD/DD. Nothing in the rumors so far confirms or denies whether WP gets a bonus to dispel. And the Archlector becomes even more sick. +5 to his casts plus all the advantages previously mentioned. On his war alter (large target) his leadership is now 18". The most important thing: we are waiting to see if it is errated or not...the war alter may cast *any* light spell at power lvl 5. This means the big light spell (costing 20+) is easily cast. Throw more dice at the spell if needed. I could go on and on about my Priests=)

Cheap core troops will be crucial as I foresee 8th ed being very bloody. Units are much more vulnerable to warmachines. Bloodthirsters, star dragons, hydras, etc. will be fodder for our cannons. Bring 3 mortars and watch the unit of crazy expensive Blackguard or Temple Guard, etc. be shredded by the time they get across the table. So if a General knows that his opponent can shred any unit he wants to (for the most part), then why bring out big expensive units with a big red bow on them? Keep the units as cheap as possible (Empire, OnG, Skaven...maybe VC). I have a 3k scratch list which includes 2 cannons, 2 motars, 2 rocket batteries, and an engineer with pigeon bombs. If there is a big nasty coming across the table at me, I think I stand an excellent chance to significantly whittle it down before it reaches my line.

Oh I could go on and on but maybe I'll save some hehe. I havent even mentioned the kamakazi 65pt lvl1 mages

Ok one last thinker: Flaggies! Used to, they would get charged, lose the front rank, not hit back..then become a tarpit. That changes with step up rule. Run a full unit of 30 (6x5) with Prophet. Remember you get free reforms, so the chances of an enemy not hitting you in the front is small. So..that means 19 st5 attacks with re-rolls on hits (and probably wounds too). That is going to HURT someone. Not too mention if you get a buff spell off on them like T7, or WS10/I10 hehe.

Odominus wrote:This is the first time I am hearing about this rule. So if a WP rolls a 1 (from what you are saying, this applies to all mages), then not only does the prayer fail, it is forgotten? Mages rolling a single 1 must roll on loss of control chart? Well done and thanks for the new Confirmed rumor!

Even so, I would like to read the brb to make sure exactly what is printed in there. This directly contradicts what the rumor dudes on warseer are saying is confirmed. Are you sure you didnt mean that the prayer just fails? So if a mage rolls a single 1, is it cast with irresistible force too?

From Warseer

Bound spells

If you roll a 1 or 2 when casting a spell, the spell automatically fails regardless of modifiers and the wizard may no longer cast this turn.

* Bound spells are cast like normal spells now, but instead of your caster's power level, you add the level of the magic item. They do not roll on the Loss of Control table, the items are just destroyed if they roll the double 6. Bound abilities like the warrior priests they just forget the spell.

* It is rumoured that miscasts are entirely gone, but are replaced by a combined irresistible force/ miscast table effectively:
* When you roll a double 6 the spell is cast with irresistible force, but the Caster has to roll on the "lost control" chart, which is devastating, and far more worse than the current miscast table.

ShivanAngel wrote:The black shirt at the GW near where i live said the double 6's causeing a loss of control was totally incorrect. It works exactly the same way it does now.