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HQ:

Chaos Lord: Mark of Khorne, Twin Lightning Claws 130
Sorry, though I like to draw up fat-free army lists, I like to keep it fairly to my own ‘realism’ preferences. Having Termicide in there is bad enough (but what else could I do with the points – a Dakka Pred doesn’t really fit with the aggressive nature of the list, please offer suggestions if you want), but a Daemon Prince leading what is essentially a small Task Force? No. Possible Mark of Slaanesh swap in for an IC killer, but again, Slaanesh leading ‘Zerkers?
Elites:

3 Terminators: 3 Combi-weapons 105
These will be magnetised, and vary between plasma and melta depending on foe.

Troops:

7 Berzerkers: Skull Champion: Power Fist 227
Rhino: Dozer Blade

8 Berzerkers: Skull Champion: Power Fist 248
Rhino: Dozer Blade


Heavv Support:

Vindicator: Daemonic Possession 145

Vindicator: Daemonic Possession 145
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Don't get me wrong though, Khorne DW lords can be fun if you roll something like double 6 (imagine 17 lord attacks + 28 zerker attacks in CC)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1656361.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1656361.page GMT 1000 Chaos Marines - Mech. Agressive
Over 3 rounds of combat incl. a charge, my lord will get 16 re-rolling wounds attacks.

The Daemon Weapon will get 23 attacks, and take a wound once. That's not taking into account that the average dice roll for 2D6 will be changed (probably lowered) because all results including a 1 are failures).

23 non re-rolling isn't even that much better than 16 re-rolling, and there's no chance to kill yourself in 3 rounds with some dodgy rolling.

Yes they can be fun, but my lists have gotta be predictably reliable for me to use them.

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Got mightily carried away there don't take it seriously . Hmmm, not sure about the Termicicde, I don't really like just using upgrades a points fillers. I'll thinkon it thank you.

EDIT: Due to comments on other forums, how about dropping the Vindicators? Others suggest for Defiler and Oblits. But I was thinking drop Termies and Vindis for another rhino-borne 8 man 'Zerker squad, and 2 Oblits. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1656986.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1656986.page GMT 1000 Chaos Marines - Mech. Agressive
ps: Dozer blades??? Lol use those 10 points elsewhere!

So if you wanna play 1k I would suggest this:

HQ: Daemon Prince (I know you don't like the fluff, but trust me Berserkers would do it if it meant more blood coming their way )

Troops: 3x 7-man squads of zerkers

HS: Defiler]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1657068.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1657068.page GMT 1000 Chaos Marines - Mech. Agressive DP leading them. And I don't totally see preds as none fluffy either. Nothing makes more blood flow then a huge blast splattering someone, and if they pop a tank its them getting the cowards out of hiding so their frail bpodies can be cleaved in the blood gods name!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1657361.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1657361.page GMT 1000 Chaos Marines - Mech. Agressive
Aztralwolf wrote:Considering most khorne armies are warbands I find it would be likely to see a DP leading them.


Which makes it a shame that Khorne DPs are utterly pointless. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1657738.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1657738.page GMT 1000 Chaos Marines - Mech. Agressive
Zulander wrote:At 1k points having another squad of zerkers and defiler or 2 oblits seems like it would give your opponents the "oh crap" syndrome.

ps: Dozer blades??? Lol use those 10 points elsewhere!

So if you wanna play 1k I would suggest this:

HQ: Daemon Prince (I know you don't like the fluff, but trust me Berserkers would do it if it meant more blood coming their way )

Troops: 3x 7-man squads of zerkers

HS: Defiler


Dozer Blades were literally a spare 10 I had nothing to do with . When I adjust the list they'll go.

I think surely a single Defiler is a little exposed - i.e. big shoot me target painted on it. How would you run it - I think it would brilliantly suit the list if it swapped out both weapon options for DCCWs and went fleeting forwards with 5 (6) Attacks. Apart from on the H.Flamer the BS 2 nerfs the RAC and reduces accuracy of the Cannon. I'm worrying about taking a single Heavy Support slot though... What does the Defiler really give me though? Not long range AT that's for sure.

Aztralwolf wrote:Considering most khorne armies are warbands I find it would be likely to see a DP leading them. And I don't totally see preds as none fluffy either. Nothing makes more blood flow then a huge blast splattering someone, and if they pop a tank its them getting the cowards out of hiding so their frail bpodies can be cleaved in the blood gods name!


At both of you: I'm not using a DP. I'm not saying it doesn't suit Khorne, just not at this points size. Mebbe at 1500. I didn't say Preds were non-fluffy, but they don't compliment the list. To be used to best effect they have to stand still and shoot. Everything else in the list is charging forwards .

Legion wrote:
Aztralwolf wrote:Considering most khorne armies are warbands I find it would be likely to see a DP leading them.


Which makes it a shame that Khorne DPs are utterly pointless.


But not at this points level sorry. Khorne DPs are actually fine - just a slight modification of the Spartan Prince when you have 10 points spare.

What do tothers think on the switch in another 'Zerker squad and Defiler/2 Oblits. Is it alright to run single HS slots. Normally double is best but at a low points value? Or should I keep the original and swap in Double Defiler?
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If you're so worried about minmaxing you shouldn't be using a Lord in the first place. The Bloodfeeder vs Lightning Claws debate is a waste of time when everyone has already made up their mind, but luckily I have the time to waste

Three rounds of combat vs MEQ: BF/23 DLC/16
Bloodfeeder will average 7.7 total wounds
Dual Lightning Claws will average 8 total wounds
both ending with 8 models killed (and yes the BF with have lost 1 wound to its self)

As Nurglitch has argued before, potential matters. In 3 rounds of combat the BF may kill himself, without any attacks, but he also could deal a possible 49 attacks! It's called Chaos for a reason people. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1658449.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1658449.page GMT 1000 Chaos Marines - Mech. Agressive
Sorry if I came over as a jerk or idiot, I appreciate the other advice given and hope I haven't annoyed you.

What do you think about the double Defiler alteration? (and then swapping Termicide for 'Zerkers - although that leaves about 20 points I don't know what to do with unless swapping Lord for Spartan Prince (which I don't really want to do but could) and putting another 'Zerker in a rhino.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1658566.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1658566.page GMT Re:1000 Chaos Marines - Mech. Agressive

Now on to the Defilers, the problem I see is that you don't have enough big threats (such as a Prince) for your opponent to worry about, so they're going to focus fire them down quick. When it comes to anti-armour I'm a bigger fan of Preds or Oblits, I'd rather have 4-6 big guns over 2 huge ones.

Oh, and with the extra points I suggest dropping the Dozers to free up a little bit more, and maybe just putting Extra Armour on your Rhinos.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1658643.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1658643.page GMT 1000 Chaos Marines - Mech. Agressive

Due to these comments and on other forums I'm thinking:

A single Heavy Support is too weak, easy to eliminate. Defilers > Oblits in this case because Defilers add to armour saturation (meaning the transports aren't just focussed down). I'll probably start playing with a Lord inside the transport, and 20 points to spend (wings?) but hey this is the evolution of the list. I don't think I need the extra Troop choice at 1k if it only leaves me a single HS.

5 major threats are presented the enemy, fleeting/shooting (mainly fleeting ) Defilers, rhinos full of Zerkers, a Daemon Prince.

For this list should I swap Fist for sword to give the Prince a Mark of Khorne? Not the best choice but the theme is so much better .

HQ:

Daemon Prince: Wings 130

Troops:

10 Berzerkers: Skull Champion: Power Fist 285
Rhino:

10 Berzerkers: Skull Champion: Power Fist 285
Rhino:

Heavv Support:

Defiler: +2 DCCW 150

Defiler: +2 DCCW 150

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1660850.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1660850.page GMT Re:1000 Chaos Marines - Mech. Agressive PF with a PW, you could give both squads PW/Meltabombs. (not the ideal option, but when you need the points, you need the points)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1660919.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/299648/1660919.page GMT