<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681156.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681156.page GMT Re:Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field?
The best way to use them is to either give them an extra close combat weapon or missile launcher (possibly a plasma cannon if you run a second) and run them up the board. The missile launcher can be a nice way to shake enemy tanks up, and is a minor threat (or none at all if you run two) as you can simply use the S4 blast mode if it goes crazy.

If you are always thinking close combat first, then theres only a 1/6 chance your dread wont do what you want it to do. If you run two side by side, it's a 1/36 chance both wont.

The fact is, in a chaos list you run out of long range support extremely fast (heavy support slots). The dreadnought is cheap, gives you more armour running up the field, is good in close combat, and can shoot at long range. Dont depend on it for a crucial move, but it is a great support unit.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681233.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681233.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? th/ss terms anytime soon, but at only 110 points a pop for 5 s10 attacks on the charge is nothing to scoff at.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681299.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681299.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? LoS from their guns according to BRB, THEN turn them to face their target). If you go for the second ruling you can be a lot more open with their builts, and they are much more useful as fire support. However you must always field them with atleast 1 CCW.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681402.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681402.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681411.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681411.page GMT Re:Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681413.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681413.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? FNP save. I usually spend 115 for the Autocannon and Heavy Flamer options in my Nurgle army.

Sure sometimes a Plague Marine takes one for the team, but mostly it chews up incoming transports and then cooks the squad inside. Occasionally it runs up and punches the transports, but it still works out.

He doesn't always get to come along to fights, but if I suspect I will be facing lots of mech on an open field, he gets to play.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681425.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681425.page GMT Re:Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? DCCW's, a twin-linked bolter, and a heavy flamer. They are fantastic close combat units. Even if it does shoot your own models, it probably won't do much damage, if any.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681430.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681430.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? ML dread when i do run him as of late. Usually i can get a few shots off before he gets popped.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681438.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681438.page GMT Re:Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field?
Nitros14 wrote:The rule specifically says "NO HOLDING BACK" so if you take a Missile Launcher you are obliged by the rules to fire the most damaging firing mode if you enter a fire frenzy. At least in tournaments I've been to.
Uhhh, what? The only place I can think of it saying "no holding back" is in reference to close combat. You must move all your models into base to base, even if it means taking a dangerous and/or difficult terrain test.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681448.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681448.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681503.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681503.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? DCCW. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681555.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1681555.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? CCW dreads are cheap and effective. its hard to beat 5 S 10 attacks on the charge. Take 3 and keep them all together and you have a block of CC armor that is very difficult to engage. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1682581.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1682581.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? ML, but against MEQ's what do you equip them with, 2 DCCW?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1682615.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1682615.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field?
i run 3 with multi melta/extra armor with 2 demon princes right behind. gives the DP cover and 3 multi melta gives you some hope against vehicles.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1686824.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1686824.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field?
ser_hag wrote:multi melta all the way. the only way to get relatively mobile longer range melta.

i run 3 with multi melta/extra armor with 2 demon princes right behind. gives the DP cover and 3 multi melta gives you some hope against vehicles.
wat

No, do not do this! Your Dreadnoughts will kill each other before you make it to the enemy. Don't forget that the Firing Frenzy fires twice; two shots of Melta is more than enough for a Dreadnought.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1686946.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1686946.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1686963.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1686963.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? LoS, in which case the Dreads would utterly eat each other.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1686989.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1686989.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? LOS, which makes putting a whole bunch of them together with MM's a bad idea.

Also, under the fire frenzy rule, don't you still have to shoot twice at the nearest unit with your TLB's on the DCCW's/flamers/etc? Which means they are still not going to be doing anything useful 1/3 of the time even if you arm them with twin DCCW's.

Don't get me wrong, I love dreads and have 5 myself (used to have 6 but I turned one of them into a summoned greater daemon ), but you have to appreciate that chaos dreads are a mixed blessing and can indeed be a curse.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1687041.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1687041.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? This might help

http://www.theruleslawyers.com/2009/09/chaos-dreadnought-fire-frenzy-in-5th-edition/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1687257.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1687257.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1687319.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1687319.page GMT Re:Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? FW EC Dread with a lascannon.
I fielded it several times in my EC army.
But this guy tends to get crazy in 1st turn so that he shoots twice my units. Too bad.
Therefore, I deploy him at the opposite flank to counter his damage potential. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1687328.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1687328.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field?
DarkHound wrote:Ah, you're one of those then! Well, you need to say these things, because most people assume Walkers use Infantry LoS, in which case the Dreads would utterly eat each other.


yeah, i am 'one of those'. if by 'one of those' you mean 'plays by the rules of 5th ed'. that ruleslaywers post illustrates it beautifully.

if it wasnt like that i would totally agree with you, chaos dreads which are currently only marginally good with mm/xtra armor would be absolute trash ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1687355.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1687355.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? TFG, WAAC, whatever.

So now the Dread is even more useful. Spin 'em sideways and let them blow smoke if they don't want to cooperate. I might just have to get a Venerable kit and get another Plasmacannon in my list.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1687415.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1687415.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field?
the reason i say mm over any other weapon is cuz its one of the few ways for chaos to get multis. melta is so important in 5th ed and the best melta platforms (oblits) sometimes want to stay far away from enemy where the dreads have no problem getting stuck in with just about anything (mostrous creatures being the biggest exception). plus the mm is so good that it actually makes people decide between it and the dccw when they get a weapon destroyed result on them.

the other reason i like the mm so much is cuz the other choices are just so...meh. the lascannon is too dangerous to your own troops to have it sitting back doing long range shootouts, and lets face it, oblits do the long range lascannon thing better. same thing with the plasma cannon and the autocannon. missile launcher? plague marines do the anti tank/anti troop hybrid thing better. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1687459.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1687459.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? MM dreads instead of 3 CCW dreads. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1687673.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1687673.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field?
ser_hag wrote:yeah, it sucks having to explain it to people. luckily pretty well everyone at the shop i play at understands the way it works so its not a prob for me.

the reason i say mm over any other weapon is cuz its one of the few ways for chaos to get multis. melta is so important in 5th ed and the best melta platforms (oblits) sometimes want to stay far away from enemy where the dreads have no problem getting stuck in with just about anything (mostrous creatures being the biggest exception). plus the mm is so good that it actually makes people decide between it and the dccw when they get a weapon destroyed result on them.

the other reason i like the mm so much is cuz the other choices are just so...meh. the lascannon is too dangerous to your own troops to have it sitting back doing long range shootouts, and lets face it, oblits do the long range lascannon thing better. same thing with the plasma cannon and the autocannon. missile launcher? plague marines do the anti tank/anti troop hybrid thing better.



i converted a plasma cannon and MM for both dreds i have, but with so many meltaguns in my CSM squads i go apeshit with the dual CCW and xtra armor]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1690016.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1690016.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field?
He usually fields a plasma cannon dread and a lascannon dread]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1690041.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1690041.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field?
DarkHound wrote:No, no, I do agree with that ruling. The issue is most people are uneducated and any attempts to educate strangers on the subject comes off as being a rules lawyer, TFG, WAAC, whatever.

So now the Dread is even more useful. Spin 'em sideways and let them blow smoke if they don't want to cooperate. I might just have to get a Venerable kit and get another Plasmacannon in my list.


The CSM FAQ says you can't blow smoke launchers on the turn a dreadnought does fire-frenzy! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1690062.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1690062.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1690190.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1690190.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? INAT FAQ say about the Chaos Dreads firefenzy? It's nice what the link to rulelawerys says, however almost everywhere I play they use the INAT.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1690193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1690193.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field?
DarthDiggler wrote:What does the INAT FAQ say about the Chaos Dreads firefenzy? It's nice what the link to rulelawerys says, however almost everywhere I play they use the INAT.


CSM.40A.01 – Q: Will a Chaos Dreadnought suffering from „Fire Frenzy‟ pivot to face a target directly behind itself (if that is the closest target)?
A: No. The Dreadnought selects the closest target within the 45 degree arc of fire of any of its weapons and then pivots to face that target [clarification].]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1690257.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1690257.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? FW chaos dreads with the DCCW arms glued on. I have one FW Chaos dread with missle/heavy bolter as I thought that was the least damaging to my army if it went bonkers. A MM Chaos Dread would be just what the DR ordered in terms of what Chaos needs to increase its overall firepower. An elite choice with some shooting (cheap) has always been missing from the chaos list, IMO.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1690262.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1690262.page GMT Re:Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field?


3 dreads, with twin linked HB's and DCCW/bolter's - march them shoulder to shoulder up the field and prepare for shenanigans!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1693274.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1693274.page GMT Chaos Crazed Dreadnought !!! Does it worth to field? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1694105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/301062/1694105.page GMT