Tri wrote:I to use a Beastmen army: chariots are much better in 8th but they still have some problems.

Lets start with whats wrong with chariots. We've no units to join so will always be picked out by shooting: this can be limited by screening units but is always a threat. You'll also always get struck in close combat since you remove from the back.

Now the good, we no longer have to worry about strength 7+ attacks. This means that we can take a cannon ball to the face: D3 wounds will still hurt but it draws fire away from other units.

I personally can see only two (and half) set up that really work well:-
The Combat Lord, fully kitted out lord with possibly, brass cleaver, slug skin and ramhorn helm
The Shaman, Level 2. Not built for combat but a way to keep the shaman safe as he cast on to the units charging the enemy.
The bolt thrower, Any one with the hunting spear: good to get to the side of an enemy unit.

Razorgos will get stop but all Chariots stop the stop attack: "harnesses get in the way".

ShivanAngel wrote:
If the solo charge or combine charge a unit that unit will most likely be stubborn.

RanTheCid wrote:

ShivanAngel wrote:
If the solo charge or combine charge a unit that unit will most likely be stubborn.

I see this has a huge draw back to chariots in 8th. Without a large supporting infantry unit to prevent stubborn, chariots are going to get sucked into lengthy combats and beaten down.

Ragnar4 wrote:I have heard a rumor that if you put a character in a chariot, all you do is add a chariot characteristic to his abilities (for impact hits) he gets a litte better save, and then adds wounds to his profile.

Meaning that HE chariots become T3 when a char is in it.

True?

Infreak wrote:Is there no way for a chariot to disengage from combat? That would make chariots a little bit more useful.

Lets say, for example, that you multi-charge a unit with a block of infantry and a chariot. On your next turn you disengage from combat so that you may make another charge the following turn.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Beast lord with brass cleaver, ramhorn helm, the Armour piercing mutation, scaly skin mutation, razorgor chariot, heavy armour shield

ShivanAngel wrote:Thats an incredibly loose RAI, and if your tried to pull that in a tourny i bet you would 1) be told you couldnt by the TO, 2) get hit for sports.

ShivanAngel wrote:The brass cleaver does work, because in the rule book it does say you use the mounts (in this case the chariots) frontage to determine models in base contact for what you can attack and what can attack you.

Tri wrote:Well i'll be GW managed to spot the "the model" fault with the FAQ.

Even better a Shaman on a chariot with the skin of man can scout ... this will prove intresing.

Vermillion wrote:Chariots still get their impact hits

With them being very weak unsupported in combat however it did get me thinking of tomb kings. Perhaps their light chariots will have special hit and run type rules as someone mentioned earlier that would greatly increase effectiveness. Something like charge, do the combat, stuck in enemy phase free to move out following phase, a charge can be declared against another enemy unit if they are in range. Sticks with them having more mobilty but perhaps overpowered in some ways?