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				<title>8th Edition Empire 2500</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Hey I'm just getting into fantasy, please critique this army.<br /> <br /> General of the Empire					<br /> 	-Warhorse						<br /> 	-Barding						<br /> 	-Plate Armor					<br /> 	-Shield						<br /> 	-Lance						<br /> 	-Great Weapon					<br /> 								<br /> 								<br /> <br /> Battle Wizard-Lore of Light				<br /> 	-Dispel Scroll					<br /> 								<br /> 								<br /> Battle Wizard-Lore of Light    			<br /> 	-Staff of Sorcery					<br /> 								<br /> 								<br /> Master Engineer						<br /> 	-Long Rifle						<br /> 								<br /> 								<br /> 3x30 Spearmen-					<br /> 	-Musician						<br /> 	-Standard Bearer					<br /> 	-Sergeant						<br /> 							<br /> 								<br /> -15 Halberdier Detachment				<br /> -10 Handgunner Detachment			<br /> 								<br /> 								<br /> 								<br /> One Banner of Duty					<br /> 								<br /> 								<br /> 10 Knights						<br /> 	-Musician					<br /> 	-Standard Bearer				<br /> 	-Preceptor					<br /> 							<br /> 							<br /> 10 Outriders						<br /> 	-Musician						<br /> 	-Champion						<br /> 		-Hochland Long Rifle			<br /> 								<br /> 								<br /> <br /> 3xGreat Cannon					<br /> <br /> Steam Tank						<br /> ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Adamah]]></author>
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				<title>Re:8th Edition Empire 2500</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ take those individual price costs off, its against the&nbsp;rulez!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:47:16]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ ShivanAngel]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ fixd... my b]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:54:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Adamah]]></author>
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				<title>Re:8th Edition Empire 2500</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ You can have the total cost of the character/unit and cost of the army there.<br /> <br /> Just cant have it like<br /> <br /> Char 1 20 points<br /> Item 1 15 points<br /> item 2 25 points<br /> mount 20 points<br /> total 80<br /> <br /> You can have <br /> <br /> Char 1<br /> Item 1<br /> Item 2<br /> Mount<br /> Total 80]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:58:48]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ ShivanAngel]]></author>
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				<title>8th Edition Empire 2500</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Well... after taking them off i'm not gonna put em back up again haha.  Anyone care to comment on the list itself?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:18:45]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Adamah]]></author>
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				<title>8th Edition Empire 2500</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ You're running 2 wizards -- are either of them level 2?  In 8th ed, you're going to be at a disadvantage against players with a level 4 right off the bat.   You'll probably want to consider adding the rod of power to the list so you can transfer power dice into your dispel pool if you're up against a level 4.<br /> <br /> Alternatively, you could merge both level 2s into a level 4 with the lore of light and give him the rod of power.  It will give you better dispelling, better offensive magic, and only cost you 10 points more.<br /> <br /> If I remember the banner of duty correctly, it lets you reroll failed panic checks.  If you can find a way to squeeze in a Battle Standard Bearer into the list, you can reroll failed panic checks (and fear, and terror, and break tests) on all units within 12"!<br /> <br /> Do the Spearmen have shields?  If not, halberds are almost always the better choice combat effectiveness wise.  Additionally the buff spells from the lore of light are more effective <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span> on halberds than on Spears.  If you want to go with 3 units of spears, you may want to consider the lore of metal on the level 4 and possibly a level 2 wizard with the lore of beasts.<br /> <br /> Just a few comments, I hope that helps.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:11:54]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Endgame]]></author>
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				<title>Re:8th Edition Empire 2500</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Solid list overall. I'd personally go with characters supporting the line infantry or a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>BSB</span> at the very least. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>Ld</span> 7 only goes so far and the General cannot be everywhere.<br /> <br /> Steam Tanks are pretty useless now that nearly all spells affect them. Well, 'useless' is perhaps a bit harsh but they are certainly not worth 300 points when your opponent can take metal for example.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 16 Jul 2010 04:20:45]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Lord Solar Plexus]]></author>
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				<title>Re:8th Edition Empire 2500</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I would split the outriders up into 2 groups - you really don't need a second rank as you won't be charging them into anybody's flank - they are there to simply put out a crap load of shots.<br /> <br /> Agree also with dropping the Steam Tank - just can't see it being worth it now.<br /> <br /> Your general of the empire - eh - not very impressive.  I'd rather go with an Archlector or higher level wizard or something more.<br /> <br /> Are those detachments for each spearmen block?  If so - pretty good.  I'm more of a fan of swordsmen, as they have a better <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>WS</span> and at least have a parry save, but with your Int 3, spearmen are usually going after everyone else or at best simultaneously.<br /> <br /> I would drop a cannon and maybe look at adding a pair of mortars - they got better now and give you something to help deal with big enemy blocks of troops.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:38:57]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Mattbranb]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Each spearman block does have 2 detachments.  I chose spearmen for the large block because they can fight in three ranks if they don't charge, also they stand and shoot with the handgunners while countercharging with the halberdiers.  I may try different weapons to see which works the best.  Changed wizard t0o, I was just thinking for defensive purposes two level ones would be better than a level three.  The outriders are split too... one more long rifle sounds good to me!<br /> <br /> General of the Empire<br /> -Warhorse<br /> -Barding<br /> -Meteoric Armor<br /> -Shield<br /> -Lance<br /> -Great Weapon<br /> <br /> Wizard Lord of Light<br /> -Dispel Scroll<br /> <br /> Master Engineer<br /> -Long Rifle<br /> <br /> <br /> 3x30 Spearmen-<br /> -Musician<br /> -Standard Bearer<br /> -Sergeant<br /> <br /> <br /> -15 Halberdier Detachment<br /> -10 Handgunner Detachment<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> 10 Knights<br /> -Musician<br /> -Standard Bearer<br /> -Preceptor<br /> <br /> <br /> 2x5 Outriders<br /> -Musician<br /> -Champion<br /> -Hochland Long Rifle<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> 2xGreat Cannon<br /> <br /> 2xMortar<br /> <br /> Hellblaster volley gun<br /> <br /> Hellstorm rocket battery]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:52:24]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Adamah]]></author>
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				<title>Re:8th Edition Empire 2500</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ As far as the wizards defensively - keep in mind the Warrior Priests and Archlectors still give you bonus dispel dice, added on top of what you get from the winds of magic.<br /> <br /> Other than the choice of general (personel preference), not a bad list - warmachine heavy, but thats what alot of the empire lists people are coming up with now seem to look like.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:56:27]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Mattbranb]]></author>
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				<title>Re:8th Edition Empire 2500</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Spearmen are terrible. Halberdiers and swordsmen are the way to go.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:56:15]]> GMT</pubDate>
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