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3 x Mortar
1 x Engineer

Deploy them all together so the Engineer is within 3" of the mortars.
The engineer gets a 4+ look out sir! roll.
You get to reroll one Misfire/Scatter die a turn.
No partials anymore.
Simply target all 3 at one hoard at a time.

Of coaurse, then there is monster elemination with 3 great cannons and the engineer... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1765690.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1765690.page GMT The Death of the Hoard http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1765766.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1765766.page GMT Re:The Death of the Hoard FAQ has made it no longer immune to magic, Lore of Metal spells the end of this beast.

The truth is, I have only used the stean tank twice in the 5 years I have be playing Empire. It never really apealed to me that much.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1765844.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1765844.page GMT The Death of the Hoard
T10 W10 is great but i heard they aren't so good when they start taking wounds.

Why not just fight Horde with horde? 50 halberdiers is only 200pts i think?

Don't know what mortars doo ^_^]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1765865.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1765865.page GMT Re:The Death of the Hoard

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Seon wrote:
Why not just fight Horde with horde? 50 halberdiers is only 200pts i think?

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Oh, and yes, I do field hoards. 40 spears plus command is 220 points. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1765895.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1765895.page GMT The Death of the Hoard
going to go have a look! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1766110.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1766110.page GMT The Death of the Hoard http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1766487.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1766487.page GMT The Death of the Hoard Also, the engineer can only help one war machine per turn and you have to declare it before you fire.

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cypher wrote:Generally the hoard units I have seen are str5 (great weapons).
Also, the engineer can only help one war machine per turn and you have to declare it before you fire.


True, you only get 1 re-roll per turn, but I do not see in the errata where you must declare you are using it before you fire.

Page 46 – Master Engineers, Master of Ballistics
Change to “Master of Ballistics: A Master Engineer
within 3" of a war machine is allowed to take a ‘Look Out Sir!’
roll as if he was within 3" of a unit of five or more models. In
addition, one war machine that is within 3" of a Master
Engineer may re-roll either one scatter dice or one artillery dice
per turn. This may not be used to re-roll the distance bounced
by a cannonball. If the Engineer uses his re-roll ability, he
cannot shoot with his own missile weapon in the same Shooting
phase.”]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1767180.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1767180.page GMT The Death of the Hoard
A horde is a big pile of troops.
A hoard is a big pile of cash.

(Not 100% accurate, but you get the picture).

Honestly, I think there's only a handful of troop types that will actually see deployment in horde formations- because only a select few are cheap enough for it to be worthwhile. On the other hand, mortars should still find plenty of targets with blocked infantry returning, so it isn't exactly wasted points.

RZ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1767192.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1767192.page GMT Re:The Death of the Hoard Id honestly love for someone to use all their big firepower into my horde and ignore my smaller elite units....

go for it!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1767211.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1767211.page GMT The Death of the Hoard
Red_Zeke wrote:Not to get too off topic, but for the record:

A horde is a big pile of troops.
A hoard is a big pile of cash.

(Not 100% accurate, but you get the picture).

RZ

True, but to get a horde of troops you need a hoard of cash. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1767228.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1767228.page GMT The Death of the Hoard
A VC horde of GG with the regeneration banner will still make it into close combat with the majority of the horde intact (between the saves and invocations/summon undead horde).

A T4 horde with good armor and a ward save versus shooting would probably still make it mostly intact, too.

With the new charge rules, you can't really rely on having more than two shooting phases to dedicate to an income horde; maybe only one if the horde player goes first.

In my opinion, in this edition, you cannot merely rely on shooting to get rid of your opponent's troops.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1767335.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1767335.page GMT The Death of the Hoard http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1767361.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1767361.page GMT Re:The Death of the Hoard
The solution to the mosterous infantry horde is steadfast. They are going to win, you simply need to pass your break test so you can countercharge. Against these brutes, my horde will be 5 wide ten deep when the ogres hit. (4 1/2 deep after they hit )]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1767896.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1767896.page GMT Re:The Death of the Hoard
It's nice on paper but it's far from extending your hand across and saying "Good game?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1768593.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1768593.page GMT The Death of the Hoard http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1769984.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1769984.page GMT The Death of the Hoard http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1770035.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1770035.page GMT Re:The Death of the Hoard http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1770430.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1770430.page GMT The Death of the Hoard
Horde rules alone won't cut it for empire...with nothing but the horde, we do lose when we go toe to toe with a rat or gobo horde. That's really not a change from how we won in 7th edition. Whittle the enemy horde with shooting/mortars, hit them in the front with your horde, and hit them in the flank with a supporting charge from your horde's detachment.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1770940.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1770940.page GMT Re:The Death of the Hoard
30 swordsmen in horde formation with 1-2 Detachments of 10 swordsmen, same cost as 50 swordsmen, but more effective.

OR you do the main Horde as Spearmen(cheaper) and have more Swordsmen in each detachment.


Do detachments count against the minimum number of units you are required to have?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1776176.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1776176.page GMT Re:The Death of the Hoard
30 swordsmen in horde formation with 1-2 Detachments of 10 swordsmen, same cost as 50 swordsmen, but more effective.

OR you do the main Horde as Spearmen(cheaper) and have more Swordsmen in each detachment.


Do detachments count against the minimum number of units you are required to have?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1776179.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1776179.page GMT The Death of the Hoard http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1776207.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1776207.page GMT The Death of the Hoard
Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Outmanoeuvring a horde may work well, they aren't exactly nimble. A frontal charge from a decent block of infantry supported by some form of cavalry in the flank tends to work well, depending on the nature of the beast you fight.

Hit the nail on the head in my opinion. I reckon supporting flank charges on hordes will work well. Either that or just run away from them ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1776617.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1776617.page GMT The Death of the Hoard http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1776621.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1776621.page GMT The Death of the Hoard http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1776884.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/306709/1776884.page GMT