<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators?
It came up recently in an objective game. I ended up charging them in and got slaughtered to a man. Now my dice were somewhat poor with my 8 regular zerks killing 1 termy and my champion killing another, but regardless I was wiped out to the man.

Is it actually bad dice or was charging them a poor tactical decision? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784415.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784415.page GMT Re:Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators?
-On average, you would have gotten 32 attacks, 21.5 hits, 14.3 wounds, 2.39 kills.

Your champ and templars hit at the same time.

-3 Templars, 6 attacks, 3 hits, 2.5 Zerkers dead.

-1 Zerker champ, 4 attacks, 2.68 hit, 2.25 wounds, 1.5 kills.

If you include shooting the pistols on the charge, you would likely have killed 4.5 terminators, while losing 2-3 Zerkers yourself. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784443.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784443.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? No, it's not a poor decision.
Yes, dice are like that.

Don't forget to shoot if you are close enough to not fail a charge .]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784446.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784446.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784456.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784456.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784470.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784470.page GMT Re:Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators?
Werid things can happen when rolling dice. I have killed 5 termies with 14 gretchins before.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784631.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784631.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784639.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784639.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? SB/PF terminators, sure, I'd charge them. But since BT gets Preferred Enemy most of the time (which can lead to some serious damage), I would definitely shoot, and do everything in my power to soften up the squad before charging.

I probably wouldn't do it against Assault Terminators though. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784657.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators?
Chaos Lord, Termie armor, demon weapon (Bloodfeeder).

Let him lead your Bezerkers 8-10 man unit.

Instant Space Marine Termie coleslaw.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784673.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784673.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784693.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784693.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators?
charging terminators with berserkers is a trick. I would say as a general rule if the terminators have more or less the same wargear go for it, but if they have different kinds of wargear don't. if they have to roll their saves as a group you're much more likely to get them before their power fists swing than if they get to roll 1 at a time. obviously if they start hitting your berserkers with power fists lightning claws etc you won't last long.

init 5 is really your only chance. which, incidentally, is why its better to have a power weapon than a power fist on your skull champion. every terminator you kill at init 5 is 1 or 2 berserkers who don't get clobbered by a power fist at init 1.

AF]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784699.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784699.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784745.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784745.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784752.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784752.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? BT, you really have no choice but to charge whether the target is terminators, sword brethren, neophytes, whatever.

The reasoning is pretty simple; getting charged is going to be far, far worse.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784766.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784766.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators?
AbaddonFidelis wrote:demon princes cant take demon weapons. that was the last codex.


Chaos Lord then. I'm too much is an IG for my own good. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784772.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784772.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784812.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784812.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? BT terminators than get charged. Atleast they are not TH/SS terminators. Kharn in my experience does well vs Terminators mixed in w/ beserkers. If you charge it right, only 1 terminator is going to hit Kharn while the rest go against the berserkers. His high Init and hitting on 2s allow for you to kill 3-4 terminators before the rest of the squad hits. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784853.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1784853.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators?

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May I add this wasnt exactly a srs game. 10 man termie squads with tigurious is a lot of points...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785539.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785539.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? init 5 and not being destroyed in return at init 4 or less
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I mean, it's a tactical decision you have to make in context but in a vacuum, I'd say go for it. You're striking at I5, they're striking at I1, and you're probably going to get to fire bolt pistols on the way in. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785558.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785558.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? just to be clear 10 berserkers vs 5 terminators you might be ok but 10 berserkers vs 10 terminators no absolutely not you will lose. if there's no way to get out of it then charge you'll at least kill some of them but really you should work to prevent that kind of thing from happening.
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Monster Rain wrote:Berserkers are one of the best things in the Chaos codex for killing Terminators. Your experience was hideous luck, that's all.


I think their luck is rigged! My Beserkers consistantly lose 5+ guys when their rhino/landraider gets blown up on the first/second turn. Jinxed!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785618.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785618.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785625.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785625.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators?
Nurglitch wrote:Bad luck is Tzeentch's way of telling you to play Thousand Suns.


Sure, because then when you get pasted you can't chalk it up to crappy luck. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785629.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785629.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators?
NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:Bad luck is Tzeentch's way of telling you to play Thousand Suns.


Sure, because then when you get pasted you can't chalk it up to crappy luck.


Oh snap!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785635.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785635.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785638.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785638.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785694.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785694.page GMT Re:Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators?
Night Lords wrote:Well some math for you...

-On average, you would have gotten 32 attacks, 21.5 hits, 14.3 wounds, 2.39 kills.

Your champ and templars hit at the same time.

-3 Templars, 6 attacks, 3 hits, 2.5 Zerkers dead.

-1 Zerker champ, 4 attacks, 2.68 hit, 2.25 wounds, 1.5 kills.

If you include shooting the pistols on the charge, you would likely have killed 4.5 terminators, while losing 2-3 Zerkers yourself.


Except these are black templars, almost certainly with preferred enemy. So 3 templars, 6 attacks, 4.5 hits, 3.75 zerkers dead. It's still much more likely for the zerkers to come out on top in the end, but I thought I'd point that out.

BT lightning claw termies are the ones that intimidate me, especially with furious charge coming out of a land raider. 4 strength 5 attacks each at init 5 rerolling hits and wounds is pretty much murder on everything.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785717.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785717.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators?
The SB/PF termy squad is sorta irritating, but I'll agree that the LC squad coming out of a LR is freakin' terrifying. Luckily I learned just how good Obliterators are at dealing with said squad today

I really wish I could squeeze in Kharne along with my DP's, but Oh Well, can't have everything I guess.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785759.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785759.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? init 5 bc every terminator whose left can be reasonably certain of getting at least 1 berserker with his power fist, probably 2 with lightning claws. They need to win on the charge.
AF]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785841.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785841.page GMT Re:Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? BT and if I saw that coming at my squad I'd chalk my termies up as dead. You got hosed by the dice plain and simple. I would not, as some advised earlier, to charge into a a collection of assault termies though. They'll eat the 'zerks and ask for a second squad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785885.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1785885.page GMT Would you charge CSM Berzerkers against BT Terminators? PW champ to eat at least 4 termies (assault or otherwise). If I then lose three or four in return that keeps me safe from shooting in his phase then that's not a bad trade. Mop up, consolidate and repeat next turn against something more squishy.

Charging them into the heart of a well supported army though, that'd be different. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1787321.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/307978/1787321.page GMT