<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "CSM 1500 pts tournament army"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net CSM 1500 pts tournament army HI, could everyone comment and review this list and give me tips to improve it! Open to any suggestions, does not have to include units from this list!

HQ Prince wings MoS Lash 155

Prince wings MoS lash 155

Troops 12 Zerkers 252

10 noise marines sonic blasters 250

10 noise marines sonic blasters 250

vindicator possession 145

vindicator possession 145

vindicator possession 145






]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1802911.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1802911.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army That heavily affects how well a lash list works.

Princes: just don't rely on them and you are good, but pricey at 1500.
Vindis, because that's just what a lash list needs, are ok, but something furthur reaching would be recommended.

Zerkers: no fist? That should be basic IMO.
No rhino? Lash can not replace their movment bonus with the rhino and the other things it can do.

Noise Marines: not great for points and (again) depends heavily on the meta. I really don't think they bring enough for 1/3 of the army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1803196.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1803196.page GMT Re:CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1803209.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1803209.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army Lots of mech? Semi-mech? Hordes-galore?
Lash is great, but it's been around and is kind of a gimmick with glaringly easy ways around.

But if the opponent is unprepared, or not of a high mech threshhold, then it can do well.

I would suggest meching up yourself if that is an option, if not, I would highly suggest the fist with the zerkers.
Then I think you really need the anti-tank (vindis are not enough) or some longer range fire power.

One of important issues for me is taking out transports early or at range. Other than the vindis'...who have the main role of shelling lashed stuff, are an expensive option for anti-transporting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1803286.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1803286.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
What are other good CSM techniques without lash???]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1803296.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1803296.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army Chaos doesn't have too many fancy ways of winning other than grinding through and smashing face.

The list will do ok if there is no meching, but be very careful, allowing enemy vehicles essentially free reign is an unhealthy thing for MEQ's generally.

Don't forget to lash away from cover so the vindi shells are not wasted.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1803315.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1803315.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army DP in the army because ive preordered the amazing new plastic model!!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1803322.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1803322.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
DP, wings.
Dp, wings.
10 CSM, 2 Melta, IoCG, Champ+Fist, Rhino.
10 CSM, 2 Melta, IoCG, Champ+Fist, Rhino.
10 CSM, 2 Flamers, IoCG, Champ+Combi-Flamer, Rhino.
2 Oblits (or Vindi or Defiler).
2 Oblits (or Vindi or Defiler).

That's just off the top of my head.

As for your list, with a non-heavy mech meta, I think it will do fine, I highly recommend the fist on the Zerkers and you should be all set.
The lack of armor saturation for the vindi's makes them quite vulnerable as the side armor is quite wide, but the mass 24" mobile shooting should be good enough to do much damage against exposed infantry.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1803350.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1803350.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806193.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
What does Lash give you? The ability to move an opponent's unit 2D6 anywhere except into impassable terrain or within 1" of your models. Also Pins them.
WOW. What a power! you can move a nasty unit of enemy away from your guys towards another unit that can kill them.
I'm sorry, in my opinion this is the most useless power i've ever heard of. You have two DAEMON PRINCES and they're mincing around moving enemy models when they should be putting psyker powers to use with Wind of Chaos or Doombolt before charging in and making use of of their awesome CC power.

If you're going to do an Emperor's Childrenesque army might I suggest:

Lucius the Eternal
160

Daemon Prince
Wings
Warptime
155

ELITES

Chosen Chas Squad (10 man)
Icon of Chaos Glory
x 4 Melta Guns
Chaos Rhino w/ Combi-Weapon

275

TROOPS

Noise Marines (10 man)
x 9 Sonic Blasters
x 1 Blastmaster
Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher
335

Noise Marines (10 man)
x 9 Sonic Blasters
x 1 Blastmaster
Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher
335

Khorne Bezerkers (9 man)
Chaos Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher
239

Lucius goes with Khorne Bezerkers.
Daemon Prince shielded by Noise Marine Rhinos until he can get into CC.
Noise Marines use Blastmaster to target vehicles at long range then sonics to rip infantry apart.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806363.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806363.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army It's not useless because of what it can do.
It's not great any more because the general competitive builds are mech...which is a direct counter to it.

Lash does some pretty horrible things when the list comes together and the defenses against it are not employed.

As for your proposed list.

Do you really need a full squad of chosen?
Blastmaster mixed w/ sonics are a horrible black hole of points.
Zerkers are fine.

My issues....to use the NM at full potential it means not using the Rhino very much.
The Havoc launchers are cool at range, but this leaves only 1 rhino ACTUALLY approaching the opponent, which means Armor Saturation is non-existant and it wholey relies on Target Saturation...which is meh-ish, but not something to bank on.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806475.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806475.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
DP Wings Warptime MoS 160

DP Wings Warptime MoS 160

10 possessed MoK, champion, rhino extra armour 350

10 CSM 2 plasma guns 180

10 CSM 2 plasma guns 180

10 CSM 2 plasma guns 180

2 vindicators possession 290 = 1500 dot on

The possessed are not commonly used but with moK on charge they get 4 str 5 attacks each!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806495.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806495.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
I don't mind them so much. I think 10 is a bit much though.
In addition, where are the Rhinos for the other CSM's?
1 Rhino going at the enemy is not a good plan IMO, it will die and make the possessed look worse than they already get crap for being who they are.

DPs are ok, but again, they are pricey, I suggest only 1 with a power and leave the other one with just wings and maybe a mark.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806545.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806545.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army DP away then spend the points on three rhinos with extra armour?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806560.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806560.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army But I think the rhinos are more important in this case.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806566.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806566.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
BUT imo terminators are fragile because they are only toughness 4 for 40 points! What do you think about them]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806568.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806568.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
In this case you don't have too much dedicated combat units, but Deepstriking or walking is not a great plan for them.

I'd suggest Zerkers w/ fist in a rhino instead really...adds more bodies and another rhino for the opponent to worry about. In addition, they can do both counter charge or frontal assault.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806713.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806713.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806731.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806731.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army Dreads are a support unit...something you just can't count on. If you do run them, I'd equip them with some 'safe' weaponry, ie: 2 DCCWs or ML/DCCW. They are basically close infantry(in rhinos) support, while the weapons are deadly to the enemy and not so horrible on your own guys.

Note, they are seen more in a Chaos MonsterMash list with Dreads, 'Filers and Monstrous Creatures.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806789.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1806789.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
"on the charge" Zerkers get four str 5 hits as well! and they're troops that score. They don't have that cool random rule though.

Can I guess at your "template" of sorts?

"x2 DPs

x3 troop choice

x2 Vindicators with demo possession"

That is what you hope to use as your "core" correct?

I've never seen it done really, but why not try x2 vindi's regular. And x1 vindicator w/ demonic poss. Essentially you could choo-choo train them forward or something, with the possessed guy in front. It would save up a lot of points as well. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1807042.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1807042.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1807082.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1807082.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
2 DP Wings Warptime

5 chosen 5 meltas

5 chosen 5 flamers

10 khorne zerkers champ with fist rhino extra armour

10 csm 2 plasma guns 180

10 csm 2 plasma guns 180

1 vindi with possession

Comment and rate this list please!!!

1 vindi with extra armour = 1500!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1807084.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1807084.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
So how do you expect your chosen to get close enough to the enemy to melta their tanks without getting blown to bits?

Your CSM have a max range of 24". so an enemy can stand back with a few plasma cannons and missile launchers and blast you every shooting turn.

Your Khorne Zerkers have a Rhino. Which now will be the target of every high power lascannon style weapon on the board.

Your vindicators don't need possession or extra armour unless you're planning on moving them (why would you)

And your Daemon Princes are without cover from transports so they'll be caught in the open and melta'd/lascannoned to death.

PLEASE GET SOME TRANSPORTS]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1809338.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1809338.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
The vindies will quickly kill scoring units with cannons so need thier possession so they can still shoot if suffered a shaken or stunned result.

Thank you for your comment on transports, i think i'll drop the champ with fist on the zerker squad to get 1 rhino and drop the possession and the extra armour on the vindies to buy 1 more rhino for the other squad! With the 5 remaining points i shall spend it on a twin linked bolter on one of the vindies.

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Good luck

Vindicators don't need possession. Just get them partially obscured so enemy can't get LOS so easily.

I once believed in the footsloggers army. Then I tried it out with normal Space Marines. If normal Space Marines need transports Chaos ones do even more so!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1809378.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1809378.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1809410.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1809410.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
HQ:

Daemon Prince
Wings
Warptime

145

Daemon Prince
Wings
Warptime

145

ELITES

Chosen Chaos Squad (5 man)
Icon of Chaos Glory
x 5 Melta Guns
Rhino w/ Combi-Melta
195

Chosen Chaos Squad (5 man)
Aspiring Champion
Power Weapon
x 4 Flamers
Rhino w/ Combi-Flamer
185

TROOPS

CSM Squad (10 man)
Icon of Chaos Glory
Plasma Gun
Plasma Gun
Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher

240

CSM Squad (10 man)
Icon of Chaos Glory
Plasma Gun
Plasma Gun
Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher

240

HEAVY SUPPORT

Chaos Vindicator

125

Chaos Vindicator

125

Chaos Predator
Heavy Bolter Sponsons

100

1500

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Chosen need rhinos cause yes they may get a scout move, but do you really want them as a suicide squad? Or actually able to take out vehicle after vehicle...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810110.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810110.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army Chosen do not get a scout move.

They can infiltrate or outflank.
They can outflank with the rhino.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810152.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810152.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810159.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810177.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810177.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army Morphing Obliterator


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My two cents:

What does Lash give you? The ability to move an opponent's unit 2D6 anywhere except into impassable terrain or within 1" of your models. Also Pins them.
WOW. What a power! you can move a nasty unit of enemy away from your guys towards another unit that can kill them.
I'm sorry, in my opinion this is the most useless power i've ever heard of. You have two DAEMON PRINCES and they're mincing around moving enemy models when they should be putting psyker powers to use with Wind of Chaos or Doombolt before charging in and making use of of their awesome CC power.

If you're going to do an Emperor's Childrenesque army might I suggest:

Lucius the Eternal
160

Daemon Prince
Wings
Warptime
155

ELITES

Chosen Chas Squad (10 man)
Icon of Chaos Glory
x 4 Melta Guns
Chaos Rhino w/ Combi-Weapon

275

TROOPS

Noise Marines (10 man)
x 9 Sonic Blasters
x 1 Blastmaster
Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher
335

Noise Marines (10 man)
x 9 Sonic Blasters
x 1 Blastmaster
Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher
335

Khorne Bezerkers (9 man)
Chaos Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher
239

Lucius goes with Khorne Bezerkers.
Daemon Prince shielded by Noise Marine Rhinos until he can get into CC.
Noise Marines use Blastmaster to target vehicles at long range then sonics to rip infantry apart.


I like this list, its very practicile and can do lotsa nassty stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810182.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810182.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army DP Wings Warptime

5 chosen 5 meltas rhino extra armour

10 khorne zerkers rhino extra armour

10 csm 2 plasma guns 180 with rhino armour

10 csm 2 plasma guns 180 with rhino armour

1 vindi possession

1 vindi with twin linked bolter = 1500!

This is my new list can you all please tell me any improvements. Looking at the codex I am considering a list with 3 dreads 3 defilers and 2 dp's, troops filled with khorne zerkers, tell me what you think about both lists!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810190.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810190.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
scoot132 wrote:I really want to infiltrate with them so they can cause havoc behind enemy lines, so while they deal with the chosen the other squads can advance!


Infiltrating is not good IMO.
Others advance because they wouldn't have been shot anyway by the shorter ranged guns.
Chosen are not hard to kill and are not optimal with any of their weapons with the strict rules on infiltrating.
You will never get into 2D6 range for meltas infiltrating 12" away.
You will never get doublt tap plasmas infiltrating 18" away.

Because there is nothing to support them for 1.5 turns they are a smear without really offering too much target saturation for small arms fire.


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I like this list, its very practicile and can do lotsa nassty stuff.


Did you have to quote...but not quote, the whole thing?
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@Scoot132's new list:

Dps are ok, still expensive for 1500.
Chosen: i do not recommend the meltas without rhinos.
I do not recommend the flamers without rhinos. Foot flamers do not work.
Zerkers are ok, but no fist champ?
CSM are ok.
Vindis are ok.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810194.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810194.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810248.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
That's the gist of it. I haven't use it, but it's a fun and somewhat gimmicky list. It's done well from what I've seen.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810291.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810291.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army GT's what chaos lists did they use there that aren't lash?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810298.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810298.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
Mark of Tzeentch gives you a better Inv Save (4+) and you can take Warptime + Doombolt for only 185 points!

Wow that's expensive you think. But think about it. you have daemon princes that hit at Str 6, with a 4+ inv save against nasty stuff like Melta/plasma which beforehand you had a much slimmer chance of avoiding. Plus with Warptime you really make your 4 attacks hurt. And Doombolt gives you the ability to fire a few good bolts into enemies before charging.

So you could literally move 12" (wings), fire Doombolt, then assault your DP in to finish the job.

185 points eh....show me a better HQ unit for that amount of painbringing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810554.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810554.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army DP's like that need target saturation, you don't get the critical mass at 1500.

That's why I suggested skipping too much bling on them because they are not supported well enough.

Them being awesome is not really the issue there... marks and powers or not.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810616.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1810616.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army dp's are kinda cheap with some awesome cc abilities. Sanctju I don't want the fist because there is barely any mech in the meta so there is no point spending 40 points on it!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1811019.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1811019.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812358.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812358.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
In the codex on the army pages it says you can take side sponsons (plural). As having played only tyranids before with no tanks, does this mean you get two shots or one?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812384.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812384.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812445.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812445.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812524.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812524.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
I run a Predator with autocannon and lascannon sponsons.
You get 2 Str7 AP3 shots with the autocannon (good for transports at AV11 or AV10) and 2 Str9 AP2 shots from the lascannon.

Having a t-L Lascannon is really just a luxury.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812542.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812542.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812549.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812549.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
Predator 70 points
Heavy Bolter Sponsons 30
Daemonic Posession 20

TOTAL: 120



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So your new and improved possible list at 1750:

HQ

Daemon Prince
Warptime
Wings

155

Daemon Prince
Warptime
Wings

155

ELITES

Chosen Melta Squad (5 man)
Icon of Chaos Glory
x 5 Melta Guns
Rhino w/ Combi-Melta
Extra Armour

210

Chosen Melta Squad (5 man)
Icon of Chaos Glory
x 5 Melta Guns
Rhino w/ Combi-Melta
Extra Armour

210

Two melta squads will make sure you can target vehicles more easily. especially if one squad gets blasted early on.
IoCG is so you don't fail morale before you get the armour meltad

TROOPS

Chaos Space Marines (10 man)
Icon of Tzeentch
Plasma Gun
Plasma Gun

220

Chaos Space Marines (10 man)
Icon of Tzeentch
Plasma Gun
Plasma Gun

220

IoTZ is for Inv Save. If you insist on footslogging you'll need it for blast weaponry.

Khorne Bezerkers (10 man)
Skull Champion w/ Power Fist
Plasma Pistol
Rhino w/ Combi-Flamer
310

HEAVY SUPPORT

Chaos Predator
Heavy Bolter Sponsons
Daemonic Possession
Havoc Launcher

135

Chaos Predator
Heavy Bolter Sponsons
Daemonic Possesion
Havoc Launcher

135

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For versatility (eg Lascannons) go for Predator. for killing power go for vindicator.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812937.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812937.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
Vindi's are a generalist, but the big issues are closer range and wide side armor.
So more offense at the cost of defense.

AC/LC preds are furthur away so their defense is a tiny bit better, they are not as flexible, but they do Anti-Transports much better IMO...and in the world of Mech, this is an important factor.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812957.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812957.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812959.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812959.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army I wouldn't suggest counting on meltas to do the can opening, while vindi's on a (non AV14)transport is kind of a waste.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812966.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812966.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1812969.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army Problem solved...ish.

And I did say "on good days" I do like pairs, but between the OP's 'need' for anti-MEQ and the lack of longer ranged can-openers, I proposed a compromise.

Personally, I'd just go with oblits As vindis and preds are too Spiky SMurfs ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1813011.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1813011.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
But I do like them]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1813034.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1813034.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army .
Oblits have been a great support just starting on the board since 3.5 Dex.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1813038.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1813038.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army lol Oblits are the simple answer! lol.

I would go double Vindi and single auto/las Pred for long range anti tank. My point about the Pred is it doesn't kill Marines in numbers. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1813046.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1813046.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army HS in all wh40k.
About the Lash : IT IS GREAT! You can pull oponents team to you and charge it, put it in 1 small group under blast (Vindicator's, Defiler's or Oblits' ).
IMHO Plasma gun aren't good. It is strongly defencive weapon. You cannot charge after it wchich in many cases in CSM army you did sth wrong or somehow enemy comes to you a bit to close. Insteaded of Plasma guns I prefer Meltaguns wchich is assoult weapon and it is great per tank and heavy inflantry (SM, Terminators, Monstrual Creatures).
Dont use Havoc Louncher. It is too expensive. take Extra armor instended.
Chosen are very good (and nice accourding to the backgroud;D )
And Give your DP mark... it is usefull...

P.S.
Sorry for my english I study it for 3 years only.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1813161.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1813161.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1813340.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1813340.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
So your list now will be what??
lol
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HQ 2 Daemon princes wings and doombolt 280

Troops 10 Bezerkers rhino extra armour 260

10 CSM 2 meltas rhino 205

10 csm 2 meltas rhino 205

Heavy 2 vindi possession 290

1 predator armour side lascannons havoc launcher 160

that makes 100 points spare any ideas???

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Get some IOCG on the troops for morale tests and switch doombolt for warptime.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1815409.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1815409.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army AT MY AREA AND THE predator will just sit at my deployment area and blast away, so yes you are right. So if I take off the launcher i'll uses the extra points to give the rhino's armour and add some icons in there!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1815463.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1815463.page GMT Re:CSM 1500 pts tournament army PM melta squads: you had synergy.


IMO you're better off with Lash Princes. With the spare points you can slap a Power Fist on a Berzerker Champion. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1815578.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1815578.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1815667.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1815667.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army Use Chosen 5 man squad with meltas for your tank hunting unit,
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1820218.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1820218.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1820260.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1820260.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1820282.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1820282.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1820961.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1820961.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1823296.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1823296.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army btw?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1823332.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1823332.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1823379.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1823379.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army Winning with possessed is like throwing poo in the opponent's face.
Losing with possessed...well, you can just blame them and it won't count as a loss.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1823441.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1823441.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1823523.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1823523.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army I think calling them functional gets enough Naysayers out of their caves. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1823577.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1823577.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
And Defilers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1823581.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1823581.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1826114.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1826114.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army
If you roll right at start of game to choose your daemonkin ability you can get Furious Charge (roll of 2) or Fleet (roll of 3) or Scouts (roll of 1)

Plus they have a 5+ inv save which means you can afford to chuck them about more than terminators.

Give them a rhino and you can technically do an 18" charge.
Move 12" in rhino. deploy 2" from rhino. Charge 6" into combat. Move D6 to consolidate or Sweeping Advance.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1826139.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1826139.page GMT CSM 1500 pts tournament army What is this 3rd Edition?

You can't charge out of a MOVING rhino.

Possessed are 'fast' due to fleet in a counter attacking role.
Deployment out of an unmoved rhino is 3", then 6" move, D6" fleet, then charge.

Else, the other way Possessed are fast is rolling Scouts in a non-dawn of war game. Then they power down the field 12" in their rhino. Note, if you get first turn, then that's essentially moving 24" on turn 1, you are at the door step of the opponent's deployment zone.

In addition, there is a vibe of..... 'jokery' around possessed, so as serious as I can be about them, few do take them seriously and are most likely joking about suggesting them.

Possessed are not cost effective for what you get and are of limited use in the chaos space marine army. It doesn't deter me from using them and making the most of them, but they dont' get very warm welcomes in general from the more cutthroat competitive crowd.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1826430.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/309129/1826430.page GMT