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				<description><![CDATA[ <br /> I'm not going to lie, I don't make good fiction for characters but I like to make them up in my head <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> I wanted a charcter that was from the heresy and suited the fluff for the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(76);'>IW</span><br /> <br /> <br /> Warsmith Pessidus Clax may be inluded as a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> choice for any <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> army and costs 220pts<br /> <br /> Warsmith Pessidus Clax (infantry, unique) +0-4 of Perturabo's Finest***<br /> _________________________________________<br /> <b>Stats:</b><br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>WS</span>-5/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span>-7/ S-5/ T-5/ W-3/ A-4/ I-5/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>Ld</span>-10/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(157);'>Sv</span>-2+/4++<br /> <br /> _________________________________________<br /> <b>Wargear:</b><br /> <br /> Frag grenades<br /> <br /> Terminator Armour*<br /> <br /> Master-Crafted Combi-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>Plas</span><br /> <br /> Hammer of Vengance**<br /> <br /> _________________________________________<br /> <b>Special Rules:</b><br /> <br /> Fearless<br /> <br /> Iron Within Iron Without: Due to the many cybernetic augmentations he has recieved over the years the Warsmith cannot be <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(269);'>ID</span>'d by weapons with a strength twice his toughness (bit is still venerable to weapons that cause instant death)<br /> <br /> Independent Character***<br /> <br /> Eternal Hatred: Any army containing Lysander automatically grants the warsmith and his retinue the preferred enemies <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(136);'>USR</span><br /> <br /> Seige Specialist: Due to his presence on the battle field only needed in the direst of sieges he brings an unbelievable amount of firepower. Any army containing the warsmith may take Vindicators in squadrons of 1-2 for an additional price of 20pts per squadron<br /> <br /> Deep Strike(As per the terminator rules from C:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span>)<br /> <br /> *From the Heresy: Due to the incredible age of his armour it has more refined technologies he has a 4++ save)<br /> <br /> **His waepon was forged by the Primarch Perturabo and is perfecty balanced and a sight to behold. It is treated as a Thunder hammer that strikes a normal initiative.<br /> <br /> ***Perturabo's Finest are an elite group of veteran terminators that sometimes accompany him into battle. Perturabo's Finest are his personal retinue and are terminators with the following stats. (When the warsmith has a retinue of Perturabo's Finest he loses the Independent character special rule.)<br /> <br /> _______________________________________________<br /> <i>Perturabo's Finest</i>:40pts per model<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>WS</span>-4/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span>-5/ S-4/ T-4/ W-1/ I-5/ A-2/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>Ld</span>-10/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(157);'>Sv</span>-2+/5++ <br /> <br /> _______________________________________________<br /> <b>Wargear:</b><br /> <br /> Frag genades<br /> Power Weapon<br /> Twin-Linked Bolter<br /> <br /> They may purchase weapon as described in the Chaos Terminators entry in C:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> for the correct points.<br /> Note: They are not restricted by the unit size requirements on the Reaper <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span>. But they may not choose a mark of any kind.<br /> <br /> _______________________________________________<br /> <b>Special rules:</b><br /> <br /> Fearless<br /> <br /> Deep Strike<br /> <br /> They follow the rules for a retinue as described in the Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook.<br /> <br /> <br /> ______________________________________________<br /> <br /> <i>Transport:</i><br /> They may take a landraider from C:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> as a dedicated transport<br /> <br /> <br /> So what to you think is it too ridiculous or too underpowered or has it magically found the right balance. I'll leave in to you. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Perturabo's Finest should have a 4++, as reflects their more venerated armour. The Warsmith rules are fine, except that I would suggest the rule which grants Preferred Enemy if Lysander is present should also affect the Imperial Fists too, as come on, they <i>are</i> bitter enemies.]]></description>
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				<title>Re:Iron warriors special character -Warsmith Pessidus Calx</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I wasn't sure on the 4++ on the terminators as I didn't know by how much they should cost and about the Preferred enemies it would get awkward as the Imperial fists have no specific codex, so me declaring that you plat Imperial fists just cause you play yellow marines might lead to a few arguments whereas I felt lysander made it a close to sure thing. Then again I could always ask them do they play Imperial fists.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ warsmith pyrus]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well say that is Lysander is present, both armies have Preferred Enemy against each other, it doesn't have to be anymore complicated than that.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 5 Aug 2010 01:05:04]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:Iron warriors special character -Warsmith Pessidus Calx</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Your character is great but needs a few small tweaks before he is good to go.  At the moment, he is a bit powerful and a lot of players would be hesitant to let you use him in an informal game.  <br /> <br /> A thunder hammer striking at I5 is somewhat broken.  Essentially this makes him a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> monster like Abaddon and Mephiston, only these characters are renown for being great in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>.  Your character is a siege master of the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(76);'>IW</span> and should be fearsome in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> but not a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> monster.  I suggest changing it to either a thunder hammer that strikes at <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>str</span> 10 OR a thunder hammer that offers to wound re-rolls.  Essentially this leaves you with a powerful 220 point appropriate character that generates a significant threat in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>.   <br /> <br /> The retinue unit is also somewhat powerful for 40 points per model.  I would personally balance them by <br /> 1.	Lower their initiative to 4.  This is not needed<br /> 2.	Remove their ability to all take heavy weapons (as current this combined with prefered enemy results in a powerful shooty unit that has re-rolls).  1 heavy weapon for the group should be plenty as the rest would have access to combi-weapons (and combining this with preferred enemy results in a powerful but not broken unit).<br /> 3.	Make the unit fearless (you don’t want your <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> to be running away now).  <br /> <br /> Also you don’t need to specifically state that your character loses the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(67);'>IC</span> rule when rolling with his retinue.  The rulebook states that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(67);'>ICs</span> count as an upgraded character when with a retinue type unit and thus cannot be targeted directly with the standard multi wound and stat unit rules applying.  When the retinue unit is destroyed, the character counts as an <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(67);'>IC</span> again.  <br /> ]]></description>
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				<title>Re:Iron warriors special character -Warsmith Pessidus Calx</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ so would this make it a little less broken<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Warsmith Pessidus Clax (infantry, unique) +0-4 of Perturabo's Finest*** <br /> _________________________________________ <br /> Stats: <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>WS</span>-5/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span>-7/ S-5/ T-5/ W-3/ A-4/ I-5/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>Ld</span>-10/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(157);'>Sv</span>-2+/4++ <br /> <br /> _________________________________________ <br /> Wargear: <br /> <br /> Frag grenades <br /> <br /> Terminator Armour* <br /> <br /> Master-Crafted Combi-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>Plas</span> <br /> <br /> Hammer of Vengance** <br /> <br />  <br /> _________________________________________ <br /> Special Rules: <br /> <br /> Fearless <br /> <br /> Iron Within Iron Without(see above)<br /> <br /> Independent Character*** <br /> <br /> Eternal Hatred:(see above)<br /> <br /> Siege Specialist(see above)<br /> <br /> Deep Strike<br /> <br /> *From the heresy(see above)<br /> <br /> **His weapon was forged by the Primarch Perturabo and is perfectly balanced and a sight to behold.It is a power weapon that adds +D3 strength to his attacks and against vehicles he receives a +1 modifier to his rolls on the vehicle damage chart.<br /> <br /> ***Perturabo's Finest are an elite group of veteran terminators that sometimes accompany him into battle. Perturabo's Finest are his personal retinue and are terminators with the following stats. <br /> <br /> <br /> _______________________________________________ <br /> Perturabo's Finest:40pts per model <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>WS</span>-4/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span>-5/ S-4/ T-4/ W-1/ I-4/ A-2/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>Ld</span>-10/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(157);'>Sv</span>-2+/4++ <br /> <br /> <br /> _______________________________________________ <br /> Wargear: <br /> <br /> Frag genades <br /> Power Weapon <br /> Twin-Linked Bolter <br /> <br /> They may purchase weapon as described in the Chaos Terminators entry in C:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> for the correct points. <br /> Note: They are not restricted by the unit size requirements on the Reaper <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span>, but they may only take one either a Reaper <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> <i>OR</i> a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span>. But they may not choose a mark of any kind. <br /> <br /> They may also take ''The Seal of the Primarch'' for 40pts. The Seal is a banner that makes all units within 6'' of it fearless and relentless.<br /> <br /> ______________________________________________ <br /> Special rules: <br /> <br /> Fearless <br /> <br /> Deep Strike <br /> <br /> Eternal Hatred<br /> <br /> They follow the rules for a retinue as described in the Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook. <br /> <br /> <br /> _______________________________________________ <br /> <br /> Transport: <br /> They may take a landraider from C:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> as a dedicated transport <br /> <br />  <br /> <br /> A few things have been added and others altered I.E. do not have (see above) written beside them. But is  Warsmith Pessidus Calx still to over powered for his points.]]></description>
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				<title>Re:Iron warriors special character -Warsmith Pessidus Calx</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Perhaps the Warmaster could have one extra toughness. He IS an Iron Warrior]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I floated an idea for a warsmth a while ago.  One ruel that i use sometimes in friendly games (don't know if you might want to use it but it's yours if you do):<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Siege Lord - Warsmtih *enter name* is an inspiring presence on the battlefield, spurring his artillary crews to makes shots that woudl otherwise be impossible.     As long as the warsmith is on the table, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(76);'>IW</span> army may re-roll scatter on any ordnance weapons.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Praxiss]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Iron warriors special character -Warsmith Pessidus Calx</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ @: Praxiss<br /> <br /> That is a pretty interesting rule and I may use it soon. Thanks]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 7 Aug 2010 15:37:29]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ warsmith pyrus]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It can make things interesting in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(7);'>apoc</span> games when i field 3 vindicators and 3 basilisks.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 7 Aug 2010 15:40:02]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Praxiss]]></author>
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